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Dirty Secrets on the US Aircraft Carriers

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posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:36 PM

MP's Throwing Gang Member Sailors Overboard!

I was taking with a co-worker and discovered something pretty amazing that is going on on the US Aircraft Carriers. It has been common knowledge amongst the serving members of the Navy that the Aircraft Carriers are so large that they actually have a prostitution rate, not to mention an actual gang rate. Officers can only go certain ares of the ship unless they have a armed escort. Anyways the gangs have become so bad that they no longer obey any orders. To deal with this problem, MP's have been quietly figuring out who the ring leaders are and simply seizing them and throwing them overboard at night! They have been doing this on a consistent basis.

I am just curious do you think this Judge Dredd style justice is correct to circumnavigate the due process of law, or is it an effective method to bring the US war machine back into line before the next invasion (of course Iran).

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[edit on 24/5/2008 by Mirthful Me]

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:48 PM
now thats the dumbest thing that I heard tonight. Wheres your proof?? There are no gangs on military ships.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:49 PM
When I first read your post I thought, naaaahhh.

Then I found this.

Gang members, with military training.

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house!!

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:52 PM
I'm gonna need just a bit more to go on than the word of your co-worker.

Sorry, I just don't buy your friends story much.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:56 PM
thats not true. careful some people know the truth about the military because they are military. that fake story from that fake website is a bunch of crap. Im military. i know more about the government and the military then you.

but you are telling the truth about one thing you do need clearances to get certain places on the ship.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:59 PM
WHAAA and GULFSTREAMSALT are the same people. just look at the times they were online. plus one random dude would not post something like that out of the blue.


posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:01 PM

Originally posted by anti us gov
now thats the dumbest thing that I heard tonight. Wheres your proof?? There are no gangs on military ships.

Lots of links check it out :

FBI says U.S. criminal gangs are using military to spread their reach..

Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts

"Episode 2: “Controlled Chaos”
The men and women of the USS Nimitz live beneath the runway of a major airport. They sleep on the roof of a nuclear power plant. It’s a perilous environment. Their only bulwark against danger and chaos is to bond with their units on board the ship. The “Shooters,” who launch the jets, have a “Circle of Trust”; the Ordies (ordnance personnel) pride themselves on being a “mafia”; the F-18 squadrons — the Black Aces, the Hoboes and the Marine Red Devils — are tight fraternities."

Episode 3: “Super Secrets”
The ship’s location and itinerary are classified. Details of how the nuclear reactor works are top secret. Many aspects of life on a nuclear aircraft carrier are hush-hush. Dating and sex aboard ship are strictly forbidden, but according to one sailor, with 5,000 people on board, relationships are “inevitable,” resulting in a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that applies to relationships as well as sexual orientation. When the Nimitz pulls into Hong Kong for a four-day port call, a scandal dramatically alters the lives of two sailors. As the ship departs, the crew learns their itinerary has changed. The captain announces that they are heading for Korea, but the crew can’t share this information with their families back home ... because it’s a secret.

Episode 4: “Squared Away”
Mentoring and camaraderie are what hold the ship together. But life on deployment is stressful for everyone aboard, and there can be considerable friction between enlisted personnel and their superiors. Port calls allow sailors to blow off steam, but they don’t relieve all the pressure. In Guam, a young sailor coming to terms with his upbringing can’t play by the rules and is forced out of the Navy. From Guam, the Nimitz sails through the Straits of Malacca, past Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, the last liberty call before the long haul to the Persian Gulf.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:02 PM
I'm not saying that I believe this,but I've seen a show about gang members in the military.The show was called "Gangland".I guess the gang members even spray paint their tags over in Iraq.Anyone else see this episode?

As for the O.P.'s story,I don't think they would toss them overboard.Court martial seems more likely.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:03 PM
reply to post by gulfstreamsalt

not every location is secret when they do missions. and they are never top secret just secret.

[edit on 28-4-2008 by anti us gov]

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:04 PM
Scott Barfield, a former Defense Department gang detective at 2nd Cav’s last duty station, Fort Lewis, Wash., told the Sun-Times earlier this year that he had identified more than 300 soldiers at the base as gang members.

“I think that’s the tip of the iceberg,” he said.

However, Vilseck Provost Marshal Maj. Robert Ray said there is not a big gang problem in Vilseck and he has no information on gang members within 2nd Cav.

And to assume that if you have that MUCH infiltration of a Army base to say there is NO infiltration of the Navy (or an aircraft carrier) - is just naive. Besides I've talked and sailed with US sailers, it was them that initially informed me that they do have them...

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:05 PM
As a vetran of the US Navy, I have to laugh at that one

Are there gangs in the Nav, yep, always have been, is there a prostitution ring...only in the Phillipines...

The only violent activity I've ever heard of was on the USS Midway (1972) and the USS Intrepid (1973), This was against the Vietnam war and the disproportionate number of blacks who served in this conflict...

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:07 PM
reply to post by gulfstreamsalt

There are gangs everywhere. and yes i will admit they start off in the military learning how to shoot, fight, and kill. Then they go to the streets forming gangs but throwing people over board is not true.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:13 PM
Frankly, depending on the situation, I really wouldn't care.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:14 PM
reply to post by deadbang

Well if your X-navy would would know all about the old stories of sailors getting their fingers slammed in hatches for stealing, I don't think it would be a far stretch to deal with malignant gang members in just such a manner.

In WWII we shot our own men for not fighting, it was never official and it was done. Do we think that we are REALLY that far above house cleaning on an american aircraft carrier. I'm not saying the story is even genuine I have no idea, plausible absolutely. Hushed up - big time. Made up - I highly doubt it based on the high level character and position of the person I was talking to.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:18 PM
this is a little bit fake, yes this thread. i really dont care.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:19 PM
reply to post by gulfstreamsalt

Not calling you a liar or your respected friend, just saying in my 5yrs and two cruises, both westpacs, I NEVER saw or heard of anyone intentionally being tossed it possible...sure anything is possible.

But it would be rather difficult to explain in a situation report...

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:35 PM
I have no doubt that there are gangs in the military. They infilatrated our police dpeartments decades ago.

Big if here, but if someone was thrown overboard for being a gang leader, it was an isolated incident. Furthermore, officers are not going about their ship under armed escort out of fear of gangs, but there are other operational reasons that may account for this.

posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:41 PM
What an astonishing situation, if true...

Can anyone provide more credibility to this assertion?

Even I find this hard to believe.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:35 AM
reply to post by gulfstreamsalt

what UTTER TWADDLE , the story is so laughable that it should not even metit a response - but as you took the time to post it - i guess i must

points in no particular order :

the US navy dioes not even have ` MPs ` - they are master at arms ratings - aditionally - the marine detatchment on board provide security details .

the concept of ` no go areas ` on a carrier is patently absurd - there is no ` spare room ` anywhere - every compartment provides a vital function and non can ever be off limits

disobeying orders ??? that is correctly refered to as " a state of mutiny " and if it occured on a USN warship - it would be dealt with swiftly and harshly - PS if the loyal ships company could not resolve the situation to the captains satisfaction - the USMC ` fast teams ` would be called upon to restore discipline to the vessel - by what ever means nessecary

throwing ring leaders over board ????? - WTF ???????? that is going to make matters worse - not better - sumarry justice is occasionally warrented in times of war - but in peace time - a coursts martial would suffice

EDIT to add another point

the captain of any vessel where discipline had fallen so low would find himself under SERIOUS investigation too - his career would be in jerpard - and he too would face possible courts martial for deriliction of duty - or some similar charge

[edit on 29-4-2008 by ignorant_ape]

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 06:27 AM
I find this very un-plausible. There would be investigations carried out. Also, considering the large number of people on board, something like this would reach the media (and despite how controlled the media may be, somebody somewhere would print it).
I could believe that it might possibly happen once. There could be a cover up... but if it happened again, there's no way the lid would stay on.
It seems very believable to me that there is a gang presence on these carriers, but I would think that it would have to be covert to remain. I find the idea of gang members posing a constant and menacing threat to the safety of officers walking about the carrier very hard to believe.
If gang members were ever thrown over board after being identified, heads would surely role.
Those carriers may well carry some dark secrets, but I don't believe this is one of them.

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