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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
According to the Bible, Hell is an endtime punnishing pit where the unforgiven are tossed into a lake of fire and brimstone.
you make concrete comments like this all the time but i have yet to see you cite a scripture to support this.
eccl 9: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
the bible says that the dead do not think.
rom 5: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
this implies that if adam had not sinned, then no one would die. if noone would die, then why would god make us with an immortal soul that goes to heaven or hell?
rom 6: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
so death itself is punishment for sin, not hell. also, if eternal life is the reward, and people in hell are conscience of the pain and torment, then how would this scripture make sense?
gen 2:7, gen 6:17, gen 7:22 all point to the spirit of man being a ¨breath¨of life. so is that spirit immortal? what is the spirit?
james 2: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
what happens to the spirit?
psalm 146: His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
eccl 12: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
so again. we dies, our thoughts stop. our ¨live force¨ returns to god. (extra note, the words here translate ruach, which mean breath, or spirit, not soul)
so what is our soul?
gen 2:7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
so adam wasn´t given a soul, he IS a soul. and he died. so what happened to him?
ezekial 18: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
so the soul is not immortal
is hell a place of torment?
acts 2: He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
so jesus even went to hell. if jesus was perfect and hell was eternal damnation, how can this scripture make sense?
1 cor 15: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
so hell is the grave, ill show you some scriptures that support that.
job 14: O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
intersting to note, the original lexicon has ¨grave¨as ¨sheol¨ or hell. so job was praying to go to hell to end his suffering. this would make sense if hell was the grave or a state of inactivity.
and the most damning scripture of all for the hellfire doctrine is found in revelation.
20: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
if hell is the lake of fire, how can it then be thrown into the lake of fire? the beginning of 20 goes on about blessing for mankind, the scripture is saying death will be no more.
so to review.
we are souls. when we die, ours souls die too (not immortal). when we die, he don´t think (can´t be tormented). when we die, our ¨breath¨or lifeforce returns to god. hell is the grave.
is this in harmony with the rest of the bible?
john 5: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
a cornerstone of christian faith is the resurrection (hebrews 6:1,2). why would we need the ressurection if we are immortal spirits and have already got whats coming to us? the second death mentioned a rev 20 doesn´t make sense if you go by the teaching of the church.
those who are good are resurrected and recieve life eternal. those who are bad are resurrected and are judged (the lexicon, damnation can also be translated as judgement)(given a second chanceto prove themselves). if they turn out to be good, then they recieve eternal life. if not, then they are thrown in to the ¨lake of fire¨or eternal destruction, non-existence.
as for when, my guess (only a guess) is that the resurrection is sometime after armegeddon
Most Christian views Jesus as sinless, eventhough the Gospel discribes several sins he committed, like not honoring one's parents, working on the Sabbath and so on. Direct violations to the ten commandments some of the more rigid rabbis would say. However, these are minor transgressions, and I see no reason why God would somehow send his son to Hell for such. If any name is listed in the Book of Life, it would be that of Jesus of Nazareth. I trust God to be a rightious God, and he has given the power of Judgement to his son Jesus. Hell is the ultimate punnishment for evil.
Originally posted by seridium
So could anyone elaborate on this for me I am confused someone told me according to the bible hell doesn't exist?
The traditional concept of Hell does NOT come from the inspired Hebrew or Greek manuscripts. It is a pagan myth adopted as Christian doctrine in the third century by church fathers. Yet, then as now, innocent people are taught the traditional concept of Hell by trusted authority figures. That trust deters questions, so for hundreds of years the myth has perpetuated. The KJV and other translations have also perpetuated the myth by less than the most accurate translation of the word Hell.
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
The word Hell occurs in a total of fifty-three verses in the KJV; Thirty-one times in the Old Testament, and twenty-two times in the New. This article will show that:
FOUR separate words from Hebrew and Greek were translated into the ONE English word Hell. In English Hell refers to a conceal place, a hole in the ground as for storing potatoes, etc., covered with soil during winter.
TWO words, one Hebrew and one Greek, mean the SAME THING. Fire is NOT associated with FORTY-TWO occurrences of these words.
One Greek word for Hell occurs just once. Fire is NOT associated with the occurrence, neither are HUMANS.
One Greek word is used ELEVEN times; FIRE is associated with EVERY occurrence.
Anyone can find the definition of the four Hebrew and Greek words translated, and the context in which they are used. Only two common study aids are required. Most people already have them. Other publications referenced herein can be easily obtained through a public library
Originally posted by Shar
If you look at my link Hell you will see Hell is in the Old Testament 31 times as well.
Originally posted by marg6043
Another book that I love is the Divine Comedy of Dante a most read when I was in college many years ago.