The Iraqi teenage girl killed for loving a British soldier

Wait a minute now.
Why pick on the entire country Iraq because some of them practice an over-zealous flavor of their chosen religion?

I say we wipe Wisconsin off the map, turn it into a giant parking lot!

Think about the money and lives we could save, by bombing, nuking, burning the State of Wisconsin. It could all be taken care of in under a week. Very little travel involved.

I'm sure the price of cheese would skyrocket, but hey. It's the price we have to pay to being order out of the chaos there.


I only ask one favor, before you respond. Read this article.
www.jsonline.com...

doctrinally it is not necessary to separate state and religion in Islam,
unlike the west.
The Islamic world is called 'Ummah'. The equivalent of 'Christiandom'.
Whereas Christiandom is an old concept, the Ummah is more real.
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[edit on 29-4-2008 by SnowWhite]

reply to post by Attari


Say that to te young woman Saudi, that was raped by two men & then Be-headed for her crime..lol

Doh, I forgot, Islam is a religion of PEACE & LOVE, I shouldn't go judging their ways should I

How quickly can the power of media turn the problematics of a crisis into something completly different. Like in this story for example. Take a story like this from the endless chaos and sadness in Iraq today, and you can quickly make it play for your team; make a British soldier look like the innocent man, trying to fall in love in a warzone like Iraq, thus making a young Iraqi girl killed by her father. Really a sad story I must say. But have you noticed lately how many young Iraqi girls also die in Iraq? 400,000 Iraqi children suffering from hunger or most probably even more. Want to know what they do to girls in Saudi Arabia? Or Afganistan? And they are all good friends with the Coalition. In any case, my point was, that the media and the Coalition simply does not give a # about any of these young girls dying in war zones. They just use them and abuse their death to further approve their invasion and occupation of foreign lands, where they were not supposed to be in the first place. These people have lived here in Middle East a long long time ago. And no Coalition will change their ways of living.

[edit on 29/4/08 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Ironclad
Doh, I forgot, Islam is a religion of PEACE & LOVE, I shouldn't go judging their ways should I

God if I had £50 for everytime someone dragged that tired,sad old boring cliche out of the mixed bag of tired, sad old boring cliches, I'd be a very rich person right now.

Just because this guy was nuts enough to kill his own daughter, it doesn't mean that every islamic person is the same. There are murderers in every society, and if you don't believe me, watch the TV news.

Yea, this just reinforces their claim that Islam is a "Religion of Peace" lmao NOT

Im sorry, this really is no laughing matter, its truly very sad that this young girls life was cut short by none other than her own father.
There is no greater monster than a parent who kills their own child.

[edit on 4/29/2008 by Kr0n0s]

Originally posted by Attari


Well without the british being over there, this couldnt have happened.

What a moronic thing to say: Tell it to the girl stoned death in the North of Iraq for falling in love with an Iraqi boy of a different religion.

Woman MUST do whatever the men folk demand or they end up dead such is the tolerance of male dominated extremist beliefs.

The people who make excuses for this type of act, these honor killings disgust me. These honor killings are also taking place in nations far from the war zone, where ever Muslims migrate, in Western Europe, Canada, the U.S., and Indonesia. There is no excuse for this barbaric practice of honor killings, and no just God would approve of such behavior.

This is not because of the war in Iraq, this is because of the barbaric principles of the Muslim religion. I can see why Muslim men feel like they must prostrate themselves on the ground so much of the time praying for God's forgiveness. Considering how they treat their women and enslave their daughters, their faith must carry a whole lot of guilt. To face that they might be wrong in their beliefs would tend to crush ones spirit with acts such of this as being a part of the religion.

Since we're talking about 'honor killings'
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are there any dress codes for women in Iraq?
Is it legal to kiss in public?
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Are there fashionable erotic posters?
Will the shops get blazed?

Am I to understand that in the religion of peace fathers love their honor more than their own children?

reply to post by blimpseeker


To which religion do you refer?
And in regards to that religion, do you think all practitioners subscribe to allowing this kind of death?

reply to post by spacedoubt



Well according to the Sgt there she was killed because...

The father was arrested, held for two hours, then released without charge. 'Not much can be done when we have an "honour killing",' said Sgt Ali Jabbar of Basra police. 'You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws.'

So Im assuming he is referring to the Islamic religion and I dont know about "all" Iraqi men subscribing to this practice but from what I've heard over the last few years, it is somewhat common, not just in Iraq but many countries in the ME and the west.
This man should be arrested, tried and hung for killing his own child.. instead, hes held for a couple of hours and RELEASED?
Disgusting!

I just think that murder is murder and there is no excuse for it. No religion should be an excuse, but that's happened since the beginning of religion and people except that To kill another person for something you believe in is murder, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It doesn't matter if the father was shamed by her actions and MURDERS her, it doesn't matter if it was the enemy the girl fell for it's still MURDER and if there is a Hell then I hope he gets to see it, feel it, touch it and scream it when he's gone from this earth. No matter if it's religion, culture, race, it's still murder to kill someone like he did.

[edit on 4/29/2008 by Solarskye]

This shows the truth behind bush's assertion that the public WANT us there to help them.

The Dutch also killed their own people who collaborated, so this isnt anything to be shocked about.

Think about this, if the chinese invaded and occupied America to steal its.... what ever... and one of your citizens fell in love with a solider from the chinese forces... she'd be gone quicker than you can say, chinese apple pie!

[edit on 29-4-2008 by Agit8dChop]

reply to post by Agit8dChop


What if i am a Chinese, Asian or Japanese American and the chinese soldier send me gifts everyday?



[edit on 29-4-2008 by SnowWhite]

reply to post by Attari


Maybe i/we should add that Iraq was , and still is, the most westernized ( especially in terms of womens rights and education levels in general) of all the nations in the ME, much of North Africa + Turkey? Maybe we should ask where that 47 number comes from ( which would mean that hundreds of women are being killed this way all over Iraq) and if this is really the full story?

And why don't we call it a honor killing when men in the USA/South Africa/pick a country beats or shoots their wifes to death for cheating or just wanting to leave? Isn't most murders of women anywhere done by partners or close relations?

Stellar

reply to post by spacedoubt


BIG difference.

One being instead of actively murdering their daughter in a fit of rage over her disobedience, the parents in the article you linked to actively prayed for the wellbeing of their daughter, hoping she would recover and get well. Agree with their methods or not you must see the difference between actively seeking to harm and actively (although ineffectively) seeking to help.

Another difference is that in Iraq this man was within the law and his murder was condoned by the local police, who released and defended him, blaming it on the girl for not following the law. In Wisconsin, the parents are facing 25 years in prison!

How in the world can you claim the two incidences are even remotely alike other than the death of a daughter? Do you draw your correlation because you perceive both deaths to be caused by religion? If so, you would do well to consider that the death of the girl in Iraq was most likely NOT religious in nature! The father got angry with his daughter refusing to listen and had a temper tantrum and killed her. As the father of a teenage daughter, I can tell you that I have been so mad I could have just about strangled her a few times. The difference is that the Iraqi man DID strangle her, and has the law to back him up.

He can blame it on religion and “honor” all he wants but at the end of the day it was just uncontrolled rage and MURDER as opposed to possible ignorance or stupidity in the case in Wisconsin.

reply to post by Agit8dChop

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
This shows the truth behind bush's assertion that the public WANT us there to help them.

No it doesn’t.

I agree that many of them don’t want us there, maybe even most of them. Of course what do I know, I haven’t been there in 4 years.

What I don’t believe is that THIS ARTICLE shows anything other then that the father of this girl was a savage murderer.

Does this savage man speak for his nation? No, no he doesn’t.

bout this, if the chinese invaded and occupied America to steal its.... what ever... and one of your citizens fell in love with a solider from the chinese forces... she'd be gone quicker than you can say, chinese apple pie!

I think that would be the exception rather than the rule. Maybe in certain areas or by certain people, but in the whole I disagree.

BTW, why all the references to Americans and Bush? This was a BRITISH soldier. Airstrip One hasn’t joined the US quite yet.


[edit on 29-4-2008 by cavscout]

would there be problems if a woman pres/pm dealt with such a country?
what if she was a ex-porn actress?
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i am curious about attire codes
i mean...can i wear a
mini-skirt and halter top in that zone?



[edit on 29-4-2008 by SnowWhite]

Honour killing is NOT a religious thing.

It's some father who went crazy, nothing to do with religion. This man deserves to get beaten up right about now.

[edit on 29-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]