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Attention ATS! Know The Hidden Meanings Behind the Laws in America, Before it is Too Late!

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 06:14 PM
This is so good. I'm looking forward to studying it. I'd be interested in knowing your views on the following. If you or anyone can cast any more light on the following (below), or any legal interpretations, it's a bunch of laws from the Esoteric Agenda website that I'm curious about, and haven't been able to research any further, yet.

Also, note this stuff from the Esoteric Agenda website . It's also at my post at'.

From the Esoteric Agenda website

The New Country

The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF.
(Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg.113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288 & 41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA, etc... were never part of the United States government. The US Government only holds shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations.(20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

The American people are listed as tenants of US land, not land owners. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

The people have no ownership of assets or children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

"The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the
Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

Citizens are considered capital. (Executive Order 13037)

The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britain or King George.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 06:34 PM
what the f dude?
This is some weird stuff i mean i already kinda intuitively knew it was this bad but.....
its like we have no damn chance.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 06:35 PM
reply to post by counterterrorist

I was recently aware of all of it except for this one:

The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

Also, thanks for the links. Esoteric Agenda is what got me started on this investigation.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:36 PM

Professional conspiracy exorcist Mark Hosenball was hired to ridicule the idea that Oliver North and his CIA-associated gangsters had conspired to do wrong (*1). And when, in their syndicated column, Jack Anderson and Dale Van Atta discussed some of the conspirators, the Post sprang to protect its readers, and the conspirators, by censoring the Anderson column before printing it (*2).

But for some time the lid had been coming off the Iran-Contra conspiracy. In 1986, the Christic Institute, an interfaith center for law and public policy, had filed a lawsuit alleging a U.S. arms-for-drugs trade that helped keep weapons flowing to the CIA-Contra army in Nicaragua, and coc aine flowing to U.S. markets (*3). In 1988 Leslie Cockburn published Out of Control, a seminal work on our bizarre, illegal war against Nicaragua (*4). The Post contributed to this discovery process by disparaging the charges of conspiracy and by publishing false information about the drug-smuggling evidence presented to the House Subcommittee on Narcotics Abuse and Control. When accused by Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-NY). of misleading reporting, the Post printed only a partial correction and declined to print a letter of complaint from Rangel (*5).

Sworn testimony before Senator John Kerry's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations confirmed U.S. Government complicity in the drug trade (*6). With its coverup of the arms/drug conspiracy evaporating, the ever-accommodating Post shifted gears and retained Hosenball to exorcise from our minds a newly emerging threat to domestic tranquility, the "October Surprise" conspiracy (*7). But close on the heels of Hosenball and the Post came Barbara Honegger and then Gary Sick who authored independently, two years apart, books with the same title, "October Surprise" (*8). Honegger was a member of the Reagan/Bush campaign and transition teams in 1980. Gary Sick, professor of Middle East Politics at Columbia University, was on the staff of the National Security Council under Presidents Ford, Carter, and Reagan. In 1989 and 1991 respectively, Honegger and Sick published their evidence of how the Republicans made a deal to supply arms to Iran if Iran would delay release of the 52 United States hostages until after the November 1980 election. The purpose of this deal was to quash the possibility of a pre-election release(an October surprise). which would have bolstered the reelection prospects for President Carter.

Another case of media censorship at it's finest.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:40 PM

In its COINTELPRO operation, the FBI used disinformation, forgery, surveillance, false arrests, and violence to illegally harass U.S.citizens in the 60's (*16).

The CIA's Operation MONGOOSE illegally sabotaged Cuba by "destroying crops, brutalizing citizens, destabilizing the society, and conspiring with the Mafia to assassinate Fidel Castro and other leaders" (*17).

"Standard Oil of New Jersey was found by the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice to be conspiring with I.G.Farben...of Germany. ...By its cartel agreements with Standard Oil, the United States was effectively prevented from developing or producing [fo rWorld War-II] any substantial amount of synthetic rubber," said Senator Robert LaFollette of Wisconsin (*18).

U.S. Government agencies knowingly withheld information about dosages of radiation "almost certain to produce thyroid abnormalities or cancer" that contaminated people residing near the nuclear weapons factory at Hanford, Washington (*19).

Various branches of Government deliberately drag their feet in getting around to cleaning up the Nation's dangerous nuclear weapons sites (*20). State and local governments back the nuclear industry's secret public relations strategy (*21).

"The National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society and some twenty comprehensive cancer centers, have misled and confused the public and Congress by repeated claims that we are winning the war against cancer. In fact, the cancer establishment has continually minimized the evidence for increasing cancer rates which it has largely attributed to smoking and dietary fat, while discounting or ignoring the causal role of avoidable eposures to industrial carcinogens in the air, food, water, and the workplace." (*22).

The Bush Administration coverup of its pre-Gulf-War support of Iraq "is yet another example of the President's people conspiring to keep both Congress and the American people in the dark" (*23).

If you think about it, conspiracy is a fundamental aspect of doing business in this country.

Good ol' U.S. of A.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:48 PM

Or the 1949 conviction of "GM [General Motors], Standard Oil of California, Firestone, and E. Roy Fitzgerald, among others, for criminally conspiring to replace electric transportation with gas- and diesel-powered buses and to monopolize the sale of buses and related products to transportation companies throughout the country" [in, among others, the cities of New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, St. Louis, Oakland, Salt Lake City, and Los Angeles] (*33).

Or the collusion in 1973 between Senator Abraham Ribicoff (D-CT). and the U.S. Department of Transportation to overlook safety defects in the 1.2 million Corvair automobiles manufactured by General Motors in the early 60's (*34).

Or the A. H. Robins Company, which manufactured the Dalkon Shield intrauterine contraceptive, and which ignored repeated warnings of the Shield's hazards and which "stonewalled, deceived, covered up, and

covered up the coverups...[thus inflicting] on women a worldwide epidemic of pelvic infections." (*35).

Or that cooperation between McDonnell Douglas Aircraft Company and the FAA resulted in failure to enforce regulations regarding the unsafe DC-10 cargo door which failed in flight killing all 364 passengers on Turkish Airlines Flight 981 on March 3, 1974 (*36).

Or the now-banned, cancer-producing pregnancy drug Diethylstilbestrol (DES). that was sold by manufacturers who ignored tests which showed DES to be carcinogenic; and who acted "in concert with each other in the testing and marketing of DES for miscarriage purposes" (*37).

Or the conspiracies among bankers and speculators, with the cooperation of a corrupted Congress, to relieve depositors of their savings. This "arrogant disregard from the White House, Congress and corporate world for the interests and rights of the American people" will cost U.S. tapayers many hundreds of billions of dollars (*38).

Or the Westinghouse, Allis Chalmers,Federal Pacific, and General Electric executives who met surreptitiously in hotel rooms to fix prices and eliminate competition on heavy industrial equipment (*39).

Or the convictions of Industrial Biotest Laboratories (IBT). officers for fabricating safety tests on prescription drugs (*40).

There are many, many more examples of these. Please follow link.

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:18 PM
Here is some info that is a little more timely. If you have never read the story of Gunther Russbacher, you should. It is quite heartbreaking. I believe his ex-wife has a website called rumor-mill news. Read this:

David Koresh was a long time CIA asset. Waco had been a CIA center for mind control every since the end of World War Two. Many of the German mind control scientists were brought to Waco to continue their experiments.....Gunther explained to me that there were only seven fully programmed mind control "sleepers" in the Davidian Compound. For a more complete explanation on how mind controlled "sleepers" are created, you can read Operation Open Eyes MIND CONTROL IN AMERIKA ~ Five Easy Steps To Create A Manchurian Candidate! .....Gunther told me that the Waco "sleepers" had somehow been triggered, and they were preparing to carry out their mission. The "sleepers" in the compound were created to be programmed domestic terrorists. They can be compared to the Japanese cult, Aum Shinri Kyo, that bombed the subway with sarin gas and killed and wounded hundreds of people.....The seven sleepers in the Waco compound were within days of finishing a nerve gas toxin that would have been powerful enough to kill up to 350 thousand people....... The bottom line here is that 86 men, women, and children died - i.e., they were murdered in the Branch Davidian compound on Monday, April 19th, 1993 ALL at the hands of the 4 members of this CIA "wet" team, operating under the cover of the Delta Force......The only thing that makes sense to me, is that renegade factions of the FBI wanted to use the Davidian compound as another example to the American people of what happens to people who question the government. Ruby Ridge was the first example. Randy Weaver and his family chose to be sovereign citizens, and they were punished for it! The renegade faction of the FBI is part of the New World Order. They want the American people to know the horror that will befall people who defy the government. PAUL WILCHER & GUNTHER RUSSBACHER By Rayelan Allan Russbacher

"I hope it is becoming clear to you the various levels that are used by the Intel community to get their job done. Remember Jonestown? It was one of ours that went sour because a "Clear Eyes" was in the group. "When he, the "Clear Eyes", began firing on the runway, it all self destructed. Congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed, knew it was a government operation. The "Clear Eyes" was accidentally, through a lone sequence, activated! There was no way to stop the killings. All members of the cult were programmed to at least level 3. There were only 3 deaths attributable to cyanide, the rest died of gunfire. Now you know little more about our line of work. I am glad I am out of it." Gunther Russbacher

Rayelan now believes that the Columbine killings were the beginning of the final push to take all guns out of the hands of the American people. One month, to the day, after Columbine, another similar shooting occurred in Georgia. These killings are not random acts of teenage violence. These school killings are a planned, methodical attack on the American Constitution and the freedom which is enjoyed but taken for granted by citizens of the United States of America. The method of the attack is designed to inflame anger and hysteria in the American public. The media whips up the anger and hysteria and keeps it fresh in America’s mind, with continual graphic, around the clock, "overkill" coverage and commentary of the dead and wounded victims, the pain and suffering of the families, and the traumatic scars left on America’s children. The President uses the hysteria of the moment to blame guns for the problems in Americas schools and with America’s children. In the heat of hysteria, Congress is pressured to pass more guns laws. MIND CONTROL IN AMERIKA Five Easy Steps To Create A Manchurian Candidate

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:27 PM
Now this is awesome!

In order to condition the public into supporting stricter gun-control measures, mind-controlled children have been programmed to shoot classmates. One of the Columbine High-School shooters, Eric Harris, used to live at Plattsburg Air Force Base, in New York State, with his Air force officer father. At the age of ten, Harris allegedly used to complain to his friends that he was being drugged at the base. This base, although officially closed, is known to possess an enormous underground facility, which allegedly is still being used as a mind-control programming center. One Columbine teacher has publicly stated that she was wounded by an adult male, not a student (intelligence information received by the writer claims that four adult gunmen were involved). One wonders why a contingent of Federal personnel purportedly visited the school the day prior to the massacre. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough

Mengele was in Dallas during the killing of JFK, which was achieved by trained Monarch slaves. (In fact, the Beaumont, TX Enterprise on Mon. April 10, ’94 in the Metro Sect. B, on page B cont. to 4b reports that a sworn affidavit exists where a man connects Joseph Mengele with Kennedy’s death and to have seen Mengele at the Texas Book Depository.) Luis Angel Castillo was just one of the Monarch mind-controlled slaves sent to kill JFK on Nov. 22, ’63. A woman from Germany named Mrs. Krebs, along with a host of other programmers, worked with Mengele on the Kennedy assassination. The Illuminati Formula Appendix I: The Programmers

PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE On Sunday 28 April 1996, an unknown professional combat shooter opened fire in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Tasmania. In less than a minute 20 people lay dead, 19 of them killed with single shots to the head, fired from the right hip of the fast-moving shooter. The awesome display of combat marksmanship was blamed on intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, who was held in illegal strict solitary confinement for more than 120 days, until he was "ready" to plead guilty. There was no trial.

[edit on 30-4-2008 by sizzle]

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:43 PM
"The Wizard of Oz" was written about the turn of the century, not during the Great Depression.

The symbolic code:
The Scarecrow- Farmers who were told that they had no brains (common sense).
The Tin Woodman- Industrial Workers who were told they had no capacity for love and emotion.
The Cowardly Lion- The Military who were told they had no honor or courage.
The Yellow Brick Road- The Gold Standard.
The Emerald City- Washington D.C.
The Wizzard of Oz- The President.
The Wicked Witches of the East and West- The Bankers of the East (New York and Boston) and West (San Francisco).
The Winged Monkeys- The Pinkerton Goon Squads used by the Westren bankers and corporations as strikebreakers.
The Good Witches of the North and South-The farmer friendly bankers of the North (Chicago and Minneapolis/St. Paul) and the South (New Orleans).

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:54 PM

An October. 1977, NBC-TV broadcast segment entitled, "The Children and the CIA," brought out another possible covert link between the CIA and children. The CIA story was that they had simply brought a group of children together for observation at a number of summer camps for possible later recruitment and to watch their behavior. However, there are disturbing barbs to this story, one in which the counselors were not told that the camp was being financed by the CIA. The agency once again used the front organization called the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. (14) This was the same group that paid Dr. Cameron for his Canadian mind-blanking experiments in the 60's. Considering the track record of the CIA, to suspect ulterior motives in this case would only be common sense.

In 1995, the President's Committee on Radiation was hearing complaints in Washington D.C. about hazardous exposure at sites and plants around the country. The testimony mostly focused on the damaging effects of that exposure to radiation. However, on March 15, 1995 , the testimony of New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf and two of her patients dropped a bombshell in the proceedings that was never covered by the mainstream press. Wolf and her patients stated that they had been part of an "extensive CIA brainwashing program as young children (in one case, starting at age seven). Their brainwashing included torture, rape, electroshock, powerful drugs, hypnosis and death threats." (15) According to their testimony, the CIA then induced amnesia to prevent their recalling anything that really happened.

Personal eyewitness accounts exist regarding the use of children and women in such secret programs. Any allegations of organized, high level sexual abuse are likely to end up getting you or your character assassinated. This makes any such revelation extremely rare and hence, worth looking into. The next segment is a summary of what is perhaps the most incredible tale of such an organized program created by American and Post WWII German scientists from Operation Paperclip; it is called Project Monarch.,%20the%20FINDERS%20and%20a%20likely%20avenue%20to%20acquire%20children?
Is there no end to what the CIA will not do?

[edit on 29-4-2008 by sizzle]

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 10:58 PM
reply to post by sizzle

First of all you're welcome. Second please believe that here is a fourth option, but it is difficult to achieve. No one who has ever properly filed out has been found guilty of treason. My friends grandfather after 7 years of research and a two year filling period he finaly got his sovernty a couple months ago. That's pretty cool being free from the system. I mentioned before to " Goggle .... THE Uniform Comercial Codes and birthcertificates, or just UCC and birthcertificates. I rember poking around cross refferencing what I fopund on the web w/ the Cornel Law web site. It matched up pretty well. You gotta get right to this it is the deffination in reality of the American Dream. Infact for the first time I can associate the American dream with T.S. Elliots THE WASTE LANDS. Pretty scary annalogy. Any way check it out. If ya find some thing about leans on the federal reserve let us know! thanks

posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 11:02 PM
reply to post by sizzle

What is meant by "Priest Rule" exactly? I follow the notion (not that I agree at all with it) that they make sure the Mother is made to be seen as un-wed and makes no mention of the father as husband thus making the child a bastard. How does "Priest Rule" fit in and what does it mean? is it linked to some sort of old cononical law by Catholicism?

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 12:09 AM

Originally posted by sizzle
Just wanted to insert an interesting tidbit. How many of you knew that the article # for the Social Security Number enactment was 666? It is Article #666.

Ok, i really want to understand where you are comming from here so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to show me where I can find that HR, Sat, or Exec. Order #? (666) I have been going blind in the online National Archives, Library of Congress, House of Rep. site, Wiki, Google searches and I can not find one thing that has much to do with the Social Security act or amendments that has 666 in it. They mostly start with 74-271 or 101-508. If I remeber what I read correctly the original House Resolution # was HR7260, and then I seen another that had something to do with it HR4120.

You have to understand, your telling me that I've already taken the mark of the beast and that's not something taken lightly. I haven't been able to find this law numbered "666" So your going to have to show it to me....

Ok, I found it. I had to read further on. (Social Sec. Act USC Title 42, Chapter 7, Subchapter 4, part D, Sec. 666) However; it only gives the government the authority to stop "deadbeat parents" from doing any of these things. If they are delinquent on child support, skip out on a warrant or subpoenas for court dates or ordered paternity tests. You had me spooked for a minute. Details everyone.
[edit on 30-4-2008 by lazy1981]

[edit on 30-4-2008 by lazy1981]

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:17 AM
Hey Sizzle! Besides the links I posted back on page 6 of this thread, I've run across another that I've used fairly extensively. I only now recovered the link because some OS problems created the need for the 'ol format/reinstall routine about a month ago; subsequently, I'd lost the bookmark for it & only now remembered it. From this post, all "External Source" quotes will be derived from Supreme Law unless specifically linked elsewhere. Needless to say, these guys really know their stuff...

To start, let's talk about taxes & the IRS (insert ominous music of choice here):

31 Questions and Answers about the Internal Revenue Service

1. Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?
Answer: No...
...the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats)...
...Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

Well, that's the major bombshell about the IRS...And that's only the first Q&A out of 31. Needless to say, you'll never see news like this in MSM. :dn

So, if you're a citizen that lives within the boundaries of one of the States of the USA...Are you a State Citizen, or a federal citizen, or both?

One can be a State Citizen without also being a federal citizen
A. see Crosse case from Maryland Supreme Court:
"Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal Constitution, it has not been
necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state."

Other precedences are listed at the website. Determining the differences between these two classes of citizenship carries a lot of ramifications:

Before the 14th amendment [sic] in 1868:
A citizen of any one of the States of the union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions. The object then to be attained, by the exercise of the power of naturalization, was to make citizens of the respective States....
...For it is certain, that in the sense in which the word "Citizen" is used in the federal Constitution, Citizen of each State," and "Citizen of the United States***," are convertible terms; they mean the same thing;...

After the 14th amendment [sic] in 1868:
It is quite clear, then, that there is a citizenship of the United States** and a citizenship of a State, which are distinct from each other and which depend upon different characteristics or circumstances in the individual.
The first clause of the fourteenth amendment made negroes citizens of the United States**, and citizens of the State in which they reside, and thereby created two classes of citizens, one of the United States** and the other of the state...
...A person who is a citizen of the United States** is necessarily a citizen of the particular state in which he resides. But a person may be a citizen of a particular state and not a citizen of the United States**. To hold otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest exercise of its sovereignty, -- the right to declare who are its citizens...

...State Citizenship
1. found in the U.S. Constitution prior to the Civil War
...federal citizenship
1. 14th Amendment attempted to formalize a second class of citizen first defined in 1866 Civil Rights Act
2. this is a statutory creation, a subject class, created and endowed by the Congress, not by the Creator

Ok, there's the legal basis of the distinction of the two classes of citizen...Some of repercussions of what that means?

State Citizens Stop Voting: An Outline of Legal Reasons
...Under current California State law, only federal citizens can register to vote; State Citizens cannot register...
...California Legislature now requires that an elector be a "citizen of the United States"
A. this qualification was predicated on a ratified 14th Amendment
1. the ambiguities in Section 1 of the 14th amendment confuse many into thinking there is but one class
of citizenship throughout America
2. State legislators were likewise confused by these ambiguities, and by the deception surrounding the
passage of this amendment...

...Registering to vote produces material evidence that one is a federal citizen who is, by definition, liable for federal income taxes, whereas State Citizens are not...State Citizens are protected by constitutional limits against direct taxation...State Citizens must cancel their voter registration to perfect and maintain their status under the Law...

...2 recent decisions of Utah Supreme Court struck down the 14th Amendment.
A. Congress and the President forced Southern States to vote for it "at the point of a bayonet", using the duress and undue influence of martial law.
B. The Civl War was over and Southern States had already been counted upon to ratify the 13th Amendment, banning slavery... contrast, State Citizenship is an unalienable Right which Congress cannot tax, regulate, or revoke
1. Congress cannot amendment the Constitution
a. Congress derives its power solely from the Constitution
b. Congress can lawfully exercise its powers only within the limitations of constitution

Since the southern States were under duress & coersion to "ratify" the 14th Amendment, it's not a valid Amendment...But also note that a State Citizen still retains his status because that was defined as a "Natural Right" even before the 14th Amendment!

...The consequences of the failed ratification are many and far-reaching:
A. federal citizenship is not defined in the supreme Law (i.e. the U.S. Constitution)
1. it is, at best, the creation of federal statute
2. as such, it can be taxed, regulated, and even revoked, just like a corporation...

...federal citizens are liable for federal income taxes; State Citizens are not
A. State Citizens are protected by constitutional limits against direct taxation
1. Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3
2. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4
B. federal citizens are not protected by these same constitutional limits
1. Constitution for the "United States" as such does not extend beyond the boundaries of the States
which are united by and under it.
a. The Insular Cases established this dubious precedent at the turn of the century
2. a "citizen of the United States" is, effectively, a citizen of the District of Columbia, which never
joined the Union
a. Congress can enact local, "municipal" law for D.C. which is not constrained by the federal

Wooo! Anyone got a headache yet? If not, hang on to your hat because here comes some of major points of all this:

I. State Citizens cannot register to vote under current California State law.
II. California voter registration form has a formal affidavit by which signer swears, under penalties of perjury, that s/he is a "citizen of the United States".
III. Such completed affidavits become admissible evidence and conclusive proof that signer is a federal citizen.
IV. The exercise of federal citizenship is a statutory privilege which can be created, taxed, regulated and even revoked by Congress.
V. The exercise of State Citizenship is an unalienable Right which Congress cannot tax, regulate or revoke under any circumstances.
VI. Such a Right is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, which Congress cannot amend without the consent of three-fourths of the Union States.

Since it's been determined that Washington DC does not qualify as one of the "States United," it behooves people to learn more about The Federal Zone, as it is distinctly different from State boundaries.
For one, since it's been determined that the IRS is not an Agency under the Secretary of the Treasury and also that all legally collected tax revenues must be turned into said Treasury & State Citizens are protected from Unconstitutional Taxation by the Feds, this means that the IRS turns over all illegally collected revenues to someone else entirely; Most notably, the IRS has been using illegal tax monies to pay the Fed Reserve for use against the National Debt (which is an illegal construction built against State Citizens in the first place).

It must also be noted that, since the IRS only has jurisdiction within Federal Zones (including Federally owned lands legally procured for Federal purposes such as military bases, the Federal Buildings within cities & the Federal territories such as Puerto Rico), this means that they have no jurisdiction within the boundaries of the States!

You should also consider what this "question of jurisdiction" would mean to a lot of other topics discussed in this thread.

Do some of these last paragraphs ease your headache yet?

How about Pweagle? Does any of the previous help provide a little warmth? Maybe check your State Legal System (the above only mentioned California specifically) to help you figure out how you may be able to use "jurisdiction" in your favor in some cases?

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:20 AM

Originally posted by scarlett1125
Not to mention the fact that attorney-client privilege is no longer upheld by this administration.

Lawyers serve the illegal government & courts instead of their clients, so this didn't come as much surprise to me. The courts now serve the corrupted government agenda (particularly the Executive) & have pretty much admitted it openly just right over here.

Originally posted by sizzle
That was going to be my next revelation. The fluoridated water supply.

Just to muddy up the water a bit more (just to turn a phrase
), there's also quite a few threads on ATS concerning the artificial sweetener, aspartame...Just use the Search function & the keyword to get moving.

Originally posted by Young minded old soul
Second please believe that here is a fourth option, but it is difficult to achieve. No one who has ever properly filed out has been found guilty of treason. My friends grandfather after 7 years of research and a two year filling period he finaly got his sovernty a couple months ago.

Any chance that you may be able to get this info passed onto ATS? Anybody American at ATS who would not be interested in this is probably brain-dead already...

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 06:26 AM
Hi everyone,
I just logged in and was updating myself on the responses. I will get to each individually.
I just wanted to take a moment and get 'sappy.' It is truly wonderful the way that the members of ATS have come together on this thread and put forth joint effort to work together. There might be hope for this country after all. This is reminiscent of the 'pioneer spirit' that began putting this country on it's feet in it's youth.
Yes, we have had doubters and skeptics, but even they have been polite and proficient in explaining their doubts.
All I wanted to say is, "Thank you for helping." Not only with your courtesy and support, but the joint-effort in gleaning new or substantiating evidence, to get the truth out.

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 06:35 AM
reply to post by lazy1981

Hi there lazy1981,
You are not the first to question the voracity of this statement. You probably didn't get a chance to read the entire thread. But we are trying to get to the truth of that statement. As soon as I catch my breath, I am going to petition SkepticOverlord for some help. He has a legal team behind this board. So, he might be able to help us out with this.
Thank you for your inquiry and helping us to strive for truth.

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 06:41 AM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

Hi MidnightDStroyer,
Wow! You have been busy. I really do appreciate the contribution.
Some of this takes me back to the posting about a specific price being assessed to each individual as they were born. I believe the figure was, $680,000.00.

I was wondering, if a person had the money (of course) if they could opt out that way? In essence; like a slave buying their freedom?

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:31 AM

Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by sizzle

What is meant by "Priest Rule" exactly? I follow the notion (not that I agree at all with it) that they make sure the Mother is made to be seen as un-wed and makes no mention of the father as husband thus making the child a bastard. How does "Priest Rule" fit in and what does it mean? is it linked to some sort of old cononical law by Catholicism?

Another member brought to my attention that the Pope has authority over American Citizens. I never knew this. I am just beginning to try to understand all of this myself, but you bring forth very good questions. Thank you.

I can only give my opinion here on the 'bastard status' of children, associated with the birth certificate. It seems that they tend to rule out rights of the father (maybe). As for the rest, I just have to take it at face value, unless I find evidence to the contrary.

Also, I have petitioned SkepticOverlord to see if he can display the UCC for us, somewhere on the board. Just as he did with the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act).

posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:46 AM
Sizzle, great thread, stared and flagged!!

Regarding the UCC, this I have known for many years however I was not in a position to use the information. Though other things I was unaware of and now can understand, thank you!!

The following might be of interest to those reading the thread. If you understand some of the laws already stated you will then know how this can be done.

I now know that even though my parents were not US citizens my status was to be no different even though I was born in Calif. Prior to my birth I was sold for $5000 to a family without children upon delivery. My original documents only refer to me a baby boy and I did not receive a name until I was over one year old.

When I was 8 years old my birth certificate was generated and issued (1963) showing my new parents names. No birth certificate was generated before this.

I was never a part of the family nor did the family recognize me as being a member. Never to be claimed as a nephew or a cousin let alone invited to any family functions. Even though I was a good boy, none of the relatives wanted me around. Always wondered about that, but seems they were not happy about Mom buying me. They knew the truth of the matter and I didn't. Learned this later after Dad died. Mom had already passed away.

It wasn't until 1996 after the death of Dad that I received my papers that told of the price paid and the deal done. Since there were no surviving relatives to pass the papers too they were given to me and I became a freedman.

I have wondered why I was not referred to by name on any paper but only as a boy. Property does not receive a name until such time as convenient to the owner. Like property, I was never allowed to go to school functions, tryout for sports, have a birthday party or even go to the movies. Now I am a man without a family or country, free but yet not free with no one to remember my name.

There might be those that will say "I am sorry this happened to you", no need to be sorry or sad I'm not. If you want to feel sorry for someone feel sorry for those who are being bought and sold today. Over 50 years ago the market was good for a blond haired blue eyed boy or girl. $5000 in the 50's was allot of money back then and that was what was paid for me, a blond haired blue eyed baby boy.

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