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posted on May, 2 2008 @ 10:15 PM
reply to post by sizzle

sizzle and all members in the general conspiracy discussion there is something called -quote- esoteric agenda-this will blow your minds it`s 2hours plus long but it is truly mind boggling--it is the mother of all conspiracies and it ties into everything this site is trying to uncover -watch it digest it and tell everyone you can think of to watch it listen and learn from it .p.s. good post sizzle but what you are saying has been going on for centuries.any nation that says it`s a democracy is a liar,DEMOCRACY- demonstrating our supremacy over all of the slaves of our nations as they the people of the world are sheep and they will blindly do as they are told no questions asked because we say so the worlds leaders and flunkies-aka the demons cry -a new meaning for the word democracy?p.s. take your lines of thought deeper and watch the world news people watch listen learn and compare,it is happening world wide we are all on the right track but we have yet to unite with one another so put all of your differences aside and to the nay sayers wake up and smell the crock -o crap that is going on around you as you are the blindest of all of us and if your one of them sorry about your luck as it just might be running out .so how do we get this message out world wide let me see- what is at your fingertips and in front of you COMPUTER-and we can reach out world wide instantly such a beautiful weapon the pen of truth,how do you deny truth you can`t as it is just that the truth and it cannot be denied.2012 it is the day of a brave new world and beginning without the tyranny of the past -so what is it that we need to bring about this new age of wisdom without the fear of the annihilation of our kind, let us just hope and pray that the madmen in power don`t destroy us and our world out of their own paranoid delusions of their godliness,quote -the world of oz is a very funny place where everyone wears a very funny face and yet the streets are not paved with gold-money the root of all evil -watch this video please??we need to make incredible changes and as long as the rich and banks control us nothing will with an open mind proceed ahead for an open mind learns a closed mind knows nothing-do not deny the ignorance -embrace it so that you may begin to teach it the truth as i was always taught to defeat ignorance by using the ability to have compassion for them as they know no other way ,help them to understand so that they may also become enlightened with knowledge and wisdom so that the light inside will shine ,let it shine ,let it shine ,let it shine.

posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:18 PM
reply to post by picrat

Thank you for your post and support of what most of us are trying to do in this thread.
I have seen, "Esoteric Agenda.' That was the video clip that launched my research. Star for you.

posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:58 PM

Originally posted by freecell
Know this, you cannot sign a valid CONTRACT:
1. Under duress (fear of anything, arrest, fine, death, jail anything YOU are afraid of).
2. Without complete understanding.
3. Without Agreement to every single word, letter and item in the contract.

According to your own research, virtually all of the types of contracts that have been under contention in this thread are already invalidated, due to #2 in your quote. After all, how many parents are given sufficient explanation that leads to "complete understanding" before they sign a birth certificate? How many people actually have "full understanding" when they're signing up for their SS Card? You see, within the very structure & construction of these myriad "colors-of-law," they insert their own defeat! But it is this very same "color-of-law" that they use against you in order to intimidate you into submission. This is what people must understand, above all else, is the fact that they've written their own loopholes into the laws themselves. This is the only thing that makes such laws "legal to enforce"...The fact that they attempt to intimidate you into submission.

Originally posted by freecell
4. Voluntary servitude is legal slavery under the 14th Amendment.

Let's use this as an example:
At The Supreme Law Firm, there's a list of seven different points that indicate & even prove that the 14th Amendment is not valid...The first point on the list alone proves that the 14th Amendment was not properly ratified by the required numbers of States involved in the vote! That's just one point out of seven...Therefore, the 14th Amendment never fulfilled the requirement of having "due process."

Originally posted by freecell
When they tell you "EVERYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF "LAW"" you better believe it!

Yep, they can & will, of that there is no doubt. However, you are still protected in contracts that you've signed previous to today by claiming that you didn't have "full understanding," as you've mentioned.

Originally posted by freecellKnow this, you cannot sign a valid CONTRACT:
1. Under duress (fear of anything, arrest, fine, death, jail anything YOU are afraid of).
2. Without complete understanding.
3. Without Agreement to every single word, letter and item in the contract.

When you sign any contract, court order, traffic Ticket, you better agree with everything, if you don't you do not have to sign, if they make you, with threat of JAIL, more fines, anything that you are afraid of) you tell them and sigh "UNDER DURESS by (your signature) and ALL RIGHTS RESERVED next to or under it.

...And this is your protection for future contracts you may sign.

Originally posted by Electro38
What good is any "contract" if the conspirators are all powerful?

What does your signing or not signing of a contract mean if the conspirators (gov, etc.) can do whatever they want (presumably) anyway?

In this case (going on the premise that there is a conspiracy) whether your signature is on a doc or not means nothing.

Do we think that conspirators, in their dungeons will actually go and check through documents to verify your signature before acting to violate your rights, or whatever they do?

A valid concern...But by sticking to your Rights under Citizenship status (as discussed earlier) & by "due process," at the very least it will force the court to actually publicize the inherent fallacy behind all the various "colors-of-law" that have been illegally enforced.

Even if they try to deny you any Rights under the auspices of the Patriot Act, even that can be proven to be invalid & in violation of the Constitution...With a bit of luck & good PR on your side, it may be just enough to alert the whole of the population about how much the People have been taken for a ride all these years.
I just hope & pray that it won't have to be me that has to do it that way...

Like I wrote back in If I Am Elected President, I don't like the position, I don't want it, but if forced into it, I'll do the best I can. IMO, that's the best definition of "Patriot" that I can conceive.

Originally posted by freecell
And, do not get angry you want to blame someone? Look in the mirror, we all bought into the lies they taught us in school, its YOUR FAULT.

May I hazard a clarification on this? It's actually the fault of our ancestors who, initially blinded by "the system's" stealthy methods, initially instituted the whole mess into such a tangled web...It's only our fault if we choose to remain blinded by our own ignorance.
But then again, merely by coming to ATS & looking at the website with open eyes, you've already made the choice to (are you ready for this?) DENY IGNORANCE !!

Originally posted by sizzle
Here is a very informative FYI:

"When the people no longer read or understand their Constitution, then they will live in a POLICE STATE" -Robert Wangrud.

This is just one symptom of the disease that's infected our education system...Sure, the schools cover the Constitution, but not in nearly enough detail about the intent & meaning of it! Most of what I've learned about the Constitution was through "self-teaching." What should be enforced is the idea that anyone who willingly swears into any Oath of Office should at least be tested on their understanding of it before taking the Oath.
After all, how can they expect to obey their Oath if they don't even understand what it means?
Oh, wait! I get it now!...They use the "defense" of lacking "full understanding" of the contract they bind themselves to, so they don't actually have to abide by that contract! Tricky bastards!

In effect though, by not including "all Rights reserved" as part of the Oath, they still wind up bound to it anyway...Regardless of "full understanding" or not.

I've always been a voracious reader throughout my entire life...In fact, a friend of mine once referred to me as a "vast repository of completely useless information." The first time I heard that, I'm sorry to say that I had to agree, but since then I've driven myself to change the word "useless" to "useful."

But I do feel pity for children who never learn how to read well. When I recall the news some years ago about how many people were "graduating" from school without a reasonable level of reading-comprehension skills, it breaks my heart.

Originally posted by Sovereign797
Just some quick searches will point you to supreme court and lesser court cases that address these very issues.

This is what I like about The Supreme Law Firm...They do cite their cases & provide their legal code sources. Also, the We the People Foundation provide the background documentation supporting their lawsuits, even while still in-progress.

BTW Sizzle...Thanks for posting something from WND News. I lost that bookmark some time ago & for the life of me, couldn't remember the link.

Also, another kudos for a fine thread! Just during the time it took for me to compose my reply to the postings after my last one on page 10, this thread grew into page 12 before I was ready to post!

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 12:24 AM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

MidnightDStroyer true your parents did not sign with complete understanding, and we did not when most of us took over fiduciary status of the Vessel at 18 or close too it.

The million dollar question is (in Gold, thank you), understanding it is all contract law and every contract charge has to have a REMEDY, what is our REMEDY?
Peace to all.

BTW, I only said it was our fault because we are "the people" there is no government without us. I do not blame those who took advantage of my ignorance. However, I will strive to educate, inform and avoid making ignorant choices from now on.
Also, I too know a bunch of things that most people dont even care about, but now, I see how most everything I have ever wondered about has brought me here and to this information.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by freecell]

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 01:11 AM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer
I agree with what you said about the poor reading skills that children have today. I was thinking when i read that, how convienient for the powers that be. What better way to continue in the oppression of Americans than to dummy down our children.When my sons were little my oldest came home with a list of words, i thought they were spelling words, he said no they were memory words for reading. I went to school and asked the teacher about this & was told that this was the new way that they taught reading, phonics was outdated. So i searched around and found a school that still used phonics to teach children to read and had them transferred into that school. It truley amazed me when i went back to school to see so many young people that had just graduated from high school that were not able to take english 101 because they could not read at a high school level, let alone a college level. Why is it that our education system suddenly can't seem to teach our children how to read? Could it be that this serves thier purpose?

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 01:22 AM
[ -quote- esoteric agenda-] Is this the name of the video? Where can i find it at, video store, online?

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 03:04 AM
reply to post by chise61

Link for Esoteric Agenda Part I:
I believe there are nine parts, but they are only 9-10 min long ea. About 1 1/2 hours total time. Do enjoy! What an eye-opener!

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 03:11 AM
Here is another interesting evaluation on, 'The Color of Law:

The average number of all federal civil rights cases initiated by the FBI from 1997 -2000 was 3513. Of those cases initiated, about 73% were allegations of color of law violations. Within the color of law allegations, about 82% were allegations of abuse of force with violence (59% of the total number of civil rights cases initiated). The Supreme Court has had to interpret the United States Constitution to construct law regulating the actions of those in the law enforcement community. Enforcement of these provisions does not require that any racial, religious, or other discriminatory motive existed.

Investigative Areas

Most of the FBI's color of law investigations would fall into five broad areas:

* excessive force;
* sexual assaults;
* false arrest/fabrication of evidence;
* deprivation of property; and
* failure to keep from harm.

In making arrests, maintaining order, and defending life, law enforcement officers are allowed to utilize whatever force is "reasonably" necessary. The breath and scope of the use of force is vast. The spectrum begins with the physical presence of the official through the utilization of deadly force. While some types of force used by law enforcement may be violent by their very nature, they may be considered "reasonable," based upon the circumstances. However, violations of federal law occur where it can be shown that the force used was willfully "unreasonable" or "excessive" against individuals.

Sexual assaults by officials acting under "color of law" could happen in a variety of venues. They could occur in court scenarios, jails, and/or traffic stops to name just a few of the settings where an official might use their position of authority to coerce another individual into sexual compliance. The compliance is generally gained because of a threat of an official action against the other if they do not comply.

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 02:46 PM
Earlier in this thread, there was mentioned "Priest Rule." By name alone, I thought of it as another conspiracy among many as to how the US government was *really* being run...Simply a violation of the Seperation of Church & State principle. I figured that maybe I should start looking into it...And what I found at USA vs. US at first look is a lot more alarming. Unless otherwise noted, the excepted External Source windows below are derived from that website, so I would encourage research from other sources as well.

"Democracy" (means "Priest rule")

...A "Mob Rule" form of government giving the impression of representation and rule by it's citizens. But, today, if one follows the paper trail one will come to believe that it is Rule by: Crown of England, Crown Templar, and the Vatican together pulling the strings in Washington D.C. as well as utilizing the "Mob Rule" principle. Some believe the Roman Pope is in control, but actually, the unseen, behind the scenes, "Black Pope" is the one in power; the one most people never hear about or knows exists. The other Pope is just a figure head for the people to see and relate with...

From the "Black Pope" mentioned above, a couple of excerpts:

...While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure...

...The missing link is surely a central link.
Let’s call this story the "Jesuit-Vatican connection" to the unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link!...

... After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able to speak with "Vatican Assassins" author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday, March 14...

And it goes on with excepts from that interview, which would be too much info to present here...Read at the linked website & then let's try to figure out where further research should be directed from that point. Let's just say it's going to involve a lot more than my initial judgement (violating the Seperation of Church & State)! From what I understand, pretty much every major "conspiracy" involving religion or politics is headed by this "Black Monk," for the sole purpose of acheiving all spiritual & temporal power...In the process, eliminating any free political or religious thought that runs counter to the doctrine that all should bow to this "Black Monk" in all ways. In the destruction of America as a Free Nation under a Free People, the interview states:

The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and that’s what they’re doing...

...: Why do you refer to the Kennedy assassination as the "Achilles’ Heel" of the Jesuits?
"Because, if it’s ever known that the Jesuits killed our first Roman Catholic President, if the Roman Catholics of Northeastern America ever find that out, and ever believe it, the Jesuits are finished here."

...This country is the keystone to implementing the temporal power of the Pope around the world. If this country would expel the Jesuits, and we get back our national sovereignty, and we started to be self-governing once again, we would have our liberty, and the Jesuits would be out, and we would begin to experience REAL financial prosperity, and real living...

.... This whole "house of cards"—and that’s what it is, this is not an undefeatable, invincible monster—it’s a house of cards; it plays on FEAR. If men would tell the truth, and come out and tell what they know, and not be afraid, this whole house of cards would crumble...

Even though this is already relegated to history, it might be good to start more research here:

One last-minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts & Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air—on Easter Sunday evening!—a new two-hour documentary called: The Vatican Revealed.

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 09:58 PM
reply to post by chise61

its on abovetopsecret heading general conspiracy disscussion-esoteric agenda

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 10:14 PM
reply to post by chise61

re- our children not being able to spell or read, here in the great white north we have the same problem our children are being taught to spell and read phonetically ,they are not being taught to do it correctly as our governments don`t want them to be able to understand as we do . remember in the 60 & 70`s we were taught correct spelling and grammar we were also taught to question all things by our teachers and we did ,we even stood up to the leaders -hell no we wont go to war in that little # hole called nam,it was not our country and we were in no danger from them here so why did it start and who was the president think.our governments don't want us or our children to have minds that can question their mindless drivel all they need is mindless button pushing little robots who will do exactly what they are told to do.what were those great words from rock & roll ( now is the time to teach our children well) as our governments have seen fit to forsake our children`s education maybe it`s time for us as parents to begin so that we can in time reclaim that which is our birthright -absolute freedom of choice-DENIED so sayeth the man ha ha ha

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 10:38 PM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

your one quote is the white Anglo saxen,Celtic race was the only one to stand and defeat them- the black monk sounds like the one called (Satan)don't take this as biblical, according to what i know the Celts were destroyed on anglises island in ancient Britain by the legions of Rome during one of the celts most sacred ceremonies-which by the way the Celts never allowed weapons at these functions,every man,woman,and child was slaughtered that day,then the sacred oaks were cut down and used as a huge funeral pire .I wonder if some of them escaped the slaughter and the black monk and his hordes are still hunting them sounds like their fear is showing their true colors.i understand that one of the Celt`s is known as the arc mange -arc angel or what really was he ,it would be interesting to find out about this one.because your post hints at fear by someone?

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 11:18 PM
reply to post by picrat

Thanks for the info. And you are so right, parents really must take a more active role in the education of thier children. The goverment has certainly shown that they aren't going to do it, and we all know why. Yes we were taught a lot better in the 60's & 70's, I believe we also came out of school with a better understanding of the constitution than today's youth. I think that the parents that are able to and have chosen to home school thier children are on the right track.

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 11:28 PM
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer
The priest rule has been the one that my mind has been focused on since sizzle first started this post. Don't know why i'm so stuck on that particular one, but i figure there must be a good reason. I have been trying to locate information on it someplace other than usavsus, haven't had any luck so far though. If you locate something else would you please keep us posted. Thanks.

posted on May, 3 2008 @ 11:57 PM
reply to post by chise61

Did you get that link? The one I gave you
for Esoteric Agenda? I think someone else referred you to the ATS thread that was opened on it also.

posted on May, 4 2008 @ 12:48 AM
reply to post by sizzle
Yes i did, Thank You. I was signed in, but checking out a link. This post is gonna have me busy for months.

posted on May, 4 2008 @ 01:00 AM

Originally posted by picrat
...the black monk sounds like the one called (Satan)don't take this as biblical...
...I wonder if some of them [Celts] escaped the slaughter and the black monk and his hordes are still hunting them...

According to the interview where I took some of those quotes, it is biblical in proportions...This Black Monk being referred to alternately as Lucifer or the Anti-Christ.

In the interview, the real root of the Northern British Isle conflicts stem between the Jesuits & the Knights of Malta ("soldiers" of the Black Monk, who is actually the Superior General of the Jesuits) are still trying to wipe out all Protestant religions...And all other religions as well. As the Superior General of the Jesuits, he commands a militant authority, not religious authority (although they have zero religious tolerance anyway). They really think of themselves as fighting a total war on the whole world for total control under a single man, the Superior General himself.

You have to read pretty much the whole interview to catch these points. I'm not trying to validate any of this just yet, but I think there's a lot of distinct clues in the interview that could suggest where to continue researching.

Originally posted by chise61
...The priest rule has been the one that my mind has been focused on...
...I have been trying to locate information on it someplace other than usavsus...
...If you locate something else would you please keep us posted...

Actually, my first search about the Priest Rule started at USA vs. US but led to that interview about the Black Monk; Actually, the Priest Rule seems to originate with the Black Monk's political & religious connections among nations. Watch out for nations who have an actual Cardinal with an officially-sanctioned seat (even if it's only "advisory") within their government...Yes, the USA has such a position.

All of this can be found from the interview link...I admit it's a long interview, but I suggest you read it thoroughly because this thread can be better served if I don't have to clutter it up any more than absolutely necessary.

As it is, considering the Black Monk's nearly universal connections within governments, I think this may be the "root source" of all of the Unconstitutional laws & nonsense laws that has been the original focus of this whole thread.

posted on May, 4 2008 @ 01:52 AM
A little change of venue again. This might be helpful information to anyone who feels that they have suffered illegal mistreatment or injustice by Law enforcement agencies or officials:

Civil Applications

Title 42, U.S.C., Section 14141, makes it unlawful for state or local law enforcement agencies to allow officers to engage in a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives persons of rights protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. This law is commonly referred to as the Police Misconduct Statute. This law gives DOJ the authority to seek civil remedies in cases where it is determined that law enforcement agencies have policies or practices which foster a pattern of misconduct by employees. This action is directed against an agency, not against individual officers. The types of issues which may initiate a Pattern and Practice investigation include:

Lack of supervision/monitoring of officers' actions.
Officers not providing justification or reporting incidents involving the use of force.
Lack of, or improper training of officers.
A department having a citizen complaint process which treats complainants as adversaries.

Under Title 42, U.S.C., Section 1997, DOJ has the ability to initiate civil actions against mental hospitals, retardation facilities, jails, prisons, nursing homes, and juvenile detention facilities, when there are allegations of systemic derivations of the constitutional rights of institutionalized persons.

Also see Department of Justice 8-1.000 CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION

posted on May, 4 2008 @ 02:01 AM
Has anyone ever seen this poster for CPS? Take very careful note of the wording and capitalization.

Definition of UNESCO:

United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations established on 16 November 1945. Its stated purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through education, science, and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the UN Charter.[1] It is the heir of the League of Nations' International Commission on Intellectual Cooperation.

UNESCO has 193 Member States and 6 Associate Members. The organization is based in Paris, with over 50 field offices and many specialized institutes and centres throughout the world. Most of the field offices are "cluster" offices covering three or more countries; there are also national and regional offices. UNESCO pursues its objectives through five major programmes: education, natural sciences, social and human sciences, culture, and communication and information. Projects sponsored by UNESCO include literacy, technical, and teacher-training programmes; international science programmes; the promotion of independent media and freedom of the press; regional and cultural history projects, the promotion of cultural diversity; international cooperation agreements to secure the world cultural and natural heritage (World Heritage Sites) and to preserve human rights; and attempts to bridge the world-wide digital divide.

HMMM! Sounds New World Order-ish to me!

[edit on 4-5-2008 by sizzle]

[edit on 4-5-2008 by sizzle]

posted on May, 7 2008 @ 04:41 AM
wow. this is my first post. i've been surfing the site for a while and this is one of the best threads i've seen yet! very scary...thanks for the time and care put into this. if only the sheeple of this country would read and heed!

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