How do we know that what is being cited here as "the law" is being presented accurately?

If it is being presented accurately, wouldn't all the stuff in this thread just represent someone's interpretations of the "law"?

Do we know of anyone who has ever fallen victim to these laws? Would the interpretations of these "laws" survive judicial review?

America has a Supreme Court.







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Sizzle thanks for such an eye opening thread.

First I would like to ask, What really can we do about these unjust laws? You HAVE to have a social sercurity card to work just about anywhere decent. And alot of this there is really nothing we can do about it. (like when they stamped our foot print as babies.) And you cannot enroll your children in school, or take them to the doctor unless you have a social sucurity number.

Actually, I think it comes down to a feeling of helplessness. The guv has us by the 'goffeys.' When it comes right down to it, what are you going to do, short of some type revolution or uprising. And on that note, I think the guv has gotten everyone much too complacent for that (or most people) not ALL.

In respnse to you all posting important threads and getting no responses, both of the threads you were talking about I would have loved to read, there is so much information here on ATS maybe it just got overlooked. Another thing is alot of people don't want to believe certain things (like that some vaccines cause autism) , so they dont even read it because there is not much you can do about it, and "they" don't want to believe that they have put their children and themselves as risk.

There have been some hints that there is a child-slavery ring within CPS. I do not know how one would go about proving it, but an attorney in Austin, first brought it to the attention to some friends of mine, when their little girl was taken.

In response to sizzles post about CPS I have a story I would like to share with you all. Last year my fiance's neighbor attacked him with an ice pick and my fiance shot him at point blank range. My fiance was arrested and my fiance's 11 year old saw the whole thing. He was pretty upset, but he agreed with his dad's desicion since the guy had threatened our livelyhood more than once. I bailed my fiance out of jail the next day and he was charged with assult with a deadly weapon. (they tried to charge him with attempted murder but with my fiance being ex military my fiance bluntly told the police that he had 14 rounds left and was an expert marksman and if he had wanted him dead he would be) (The night we bailed him out we also bought him a new gun) The next week CPS showed up at our door with two cops. My fiance answered the door wearing his sidearm as he always does. My fiance told them to leave, and if they wanted to talk to him they could call and make an appointment. When they returned at their appointed time we met with them and they spoke with his son and we had gotten his son counsiling and were doing everything they said. Two weeks after the shooting the charges against my fiance were dropped. The police said it was self defense. But CPS would not leave us alone. They upgraded our file to serious or something like that and said they were going to take his son. My fiance spent hours screaming at the workers and their suppervisors. Since it was proven self defense why were they still trying to take his son? My fiance finally refuse to do anything they asked and told CPS that if they wanted to meet with any of us again they would have to get a warrent or he would take them to court. They droped the case.

I hope this give some insight into CPS. If you let them take your child to begin with, there is nothing you can do. Rip up the papers, stay armed and make CPS fearful. It worked for us.

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people have purchased firearms at gun shows, where unlicensed sellers are not currently required to conduct background checks or to ask for identification. I have personally seen a dealer sell a fully automatic Uzi with a silencer to a gangbanger with cash, and no background check. Its not hard to get enough firepower to resist those who would tread on your rights. Yeehaw, I love america.

You have to be careful doing this. There is more undercover cops at gun shows than you relize. The best way to get guns if you can not puchase them legally is from neighbors, friends, and relatives. You can be arrested and charged if caught puchasing an illegal weapon. Of course you can play ignorant and they cannot charge you but they can take your money and they weapon indefinatly.

Personally, I would still prefer to be involved with a group. I believe the chance of survival would be greater if you had others to commune with. That's just my opinion.

I would want to be in a small group minum 10 people who I would trust with my life. When groups get to big, you have more of a chance of being caught. ANd in my experences big groups tend to have more problems between members of the group. (like someone not pulling their weight)

All of that stuff you are posting is COMPLETE BS.

I suggest you do a bit more research before dissreguarding all the factual information in this thread

I've have always felt that if you want to know the truth then you must seek it yourself. We can't expect that our goverment is going to reveal things to us that is against thier best interests.

chise61 I absolutly love you logic. I do not believe anything I read until I have personally investigated it myself. You also must remember that alot of theories are planted to distract the general public from the truth.

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This is exactly what is happening with the polygamists' sect here in Texas. That situation and the way it was handled, makes me very angry.

I am absolutly outraged about that mess. There may have been abuse but I have seen no proof of it. If you ask me the gov't didnt like the fact that they were a self-sustaining community so they made up some bull story to rip their lives apart.