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The Seduction of Eve..

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posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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"hi" sexysadie,

ahhh, who can resist the touch of a most superlicious hottt pretty young chickie??

..been there,, done that,,"ouchhhhhh"....

anyway..it isn't that I don't get it, it's more that that seems quite "mystical". .




posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
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Pretty sure it's all bunk though.


might as well say the same about the bible itself



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
reply to post by dirtusbagious
 


XXX Hardcore?
Lol, are you saying it's not something that could be posted?
Man that sounds pretty bad.
I really would though apreciate it if you could just post some notes on it and references, I'm interested, but I don't like the womans voice very much and the subject is a little, well, demon-pornish sounding lol. Like an incubis kinda thing. I really would like to see her points and references though, I just don't have the time nor patients (spelling?) to listen for the key points and stuff.

-Jimmy


Here is a link to the story ala Sherry Shriner. I’ve read some of her stuff before. She also believes that the Apostle Paul corrupted the message of Jesus.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 02:07 AM
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The irony of a Christian calling Judiasm a religion "corrupted by Paganism" is amazing. Best part is, I'll bet you don't even understand why.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by jimmyjackblack
 


The irony of a Christian calling Judiasm a religion "corrupted by Paganism" is amazing. Best part is, I'll bet you don't even understand why.


Fox, although much of the Catholics and Protestants of the world still adhere to pagan practices introduced into Christianity, there are many of us who refrain from these practices. Unless, of course, you are referring to the belief that even the Bible is based on pagan beliefs. The really neat thing is we all get to believe whatever we wish.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:03 AM
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In my faith we believe that we were made in God's image. We also are spirit children of God, Jesus being the only begotten son of God in the flesh...

In answer to your topic OP I think I need to go back to the very beginning...

Before we came to this earth we lived in Heaven with God. There was a council in heaven which all of us attended. There was a plan put forward that we would come to earth, get a body, live our lives by making our own choices, but Lucifer wanted to be our Savior and wanted us to have no freedom of choice. He wanted the Glory to be His not God's. Jesus was chosen because he gave the Glory to God. Hence Lucifer and a third of the hosts of heaven who followed him (other spirit's like us) where thrown out.

All those that have died before us from the beginning of Adam and Eve chose the side of Jesus. How do we know this? It's because they came to earth and received a body.

There is no way Lucifer, aka "Satan" had sex with Eve. Satan doesn't have a body of flesh and blood. That's why he hates our guts so much, and strives to turn us away from him that made us. He will never, ever have a body. The only way you get one is to accept God's plan (which he didn't) and come to earth. And though you can't remember it, you chose to.

As for Eve partaking of the fruit. It was the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I don't think the Bible ever said that this tree was an apple tree. God told them if they ate of this fruit they should surely die. Now at this particular time Adam and Eve were not mortal when they were placed in the Garden of Eden, and they only became mortal once they ate the fruit. Satan tempted Eve to eat it, to disobey God's commandment. But by breaking that commandment by eating the fruit they became mortal and were able to have children.

Satan will never have children, he will never have a body of flesh and blood. Eve was never seduced; only tempted, and was smart enough to realise that if God's plan was to take place then she needed to eat it. Otherwise you and I would not be here.

I guess this is one theory to add to all the other theories our there. But it is my belief.

regards

MW31



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by sexysadie
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I've always thought the fruit of Eden was a mind altering substance like peyote. Once eaten it expanded the consciousness of Adam and Eve so they could look at things from a more honest perspective. In my opinion, the serpent wanted Eve to see she would always have more power over Adam. I think the serpent wanted her to be just like Lilith, one smoking hot dominatrix babe with no respect for man (gods greatest creation.) He knew Eve could see the flaws, the weakness in man, and has always tried seducing her into his realm of ecstasy ever since.
oh ya thats exactly how God wanted it.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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Sherry Shriner believes in a concept called the "Bible code" or "torah code". Basically that parts of the Bible has hidden messages found by special use of "codes" to unlock the encrypted text. (decryption by use of a special key.) Using this method, You can make the text state pretty much anything you want. (The text looks like gibberish until the reader see patterns that they want to express. Exp. I found about ten years ago, a encryption that I decrypted to read "The Bible Code is a hoax" Using the ELS method, need less to say, I pissed off a lot of people in my church.)

In reality, the information provided is from the readers mind itself, and not from the orginal text. (Of course, if you read original Text from the dead sea scrolls vrs the modern Torah. You would see about 95-99% agreement with the texts, And yes a 1% change of text will destroy the rhythm of the 304,805 Kabbalah "Torah" letter tradition.)



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by alienib
I find it hard to believe that grown folks can actually believe that Eve ate any kind of fruit

I believe that Cain was the offspring of the serpent...think about it!!!!!


THat would fly in the face of reason.
First of all Cain and his brother made a scarifice to God. The same God that created both their parents. It was Cains sacrifice that was rejected, Not Cain himself.
In fact God gave him he opportunity to rectify the situation and warned him about the rebellious course he was taking. Cain could just as easily have accepted the Divine council and made an appropriate sacrifice. But he chose not to and instead began hating his Brother.

Another point: When Eve ate the fruit, the Bible notes that she saw that it was "good for food". The Bible is not shy about discussing sexual matters, if the sin she had committed had to do with sex, it would have been clearly stated. There is no need to twist the simple truth of the scriptures.

Adam sinned after Eve, but hte Bible clearly states that while Eve was deceived, Adam was not. He was under no delusion that that he would actually become "like God.." His was the sin of willful disobedience and a lack of faith. They both had a simple commanment to adhere to: avoid the tree & its fruit....This was a simple test of their obedience & loyalty to their creator.





[edit on 28-4-2008 by Sparky63]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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The tree of the knowledge of good and bad” symbolized God’s prerogative to set the standards for man as to what is approved or what is condemned. By refusing to obey God’s law, man was calling into question God’s very right to rule over him.

This was a challenge to Gods authority, His soverignty, His right to rule had been called into question.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Another point: When Eve ate the fruit, the Bible notes that she saw that it was "good for food".


yes, I would agree this is a good point.




Satan will never have children, he will never have a body of flesh and blood.


this one confuses me a bit, on a couple levels. I don't understand how fallen angels can reproduce with mortal women. Yet the Bible does proclaim that it happened. ie; giants, nephilim, so on.
So knowing "that", I guess it isn't such a great leap to consider, at least untill fully understood otherwise, that perhaps Satan somehow has this ability as well (?).




Sherry Shriner believes in a concept called the "Bible code" or "torah code".


Good point too. I would never ask or expect of someone to accept the word of a "single" source. I know a little about her, and can say i disagree on at least one of her beliefs. However, I do believe she is on track on several points. I read her website ocassionally, as I read many.
I do hope that people are at least checking out the mp3 segment. The story of the seduction begins approx 1/3 of the way into the mp3, and lasts' about 10, maybe 15 minutes. It is the crux of the question I've raised.
I chose to post her mp3 not because she is "thee" expert or because she is the only one to raise such questions, but that the mp3 on the subject was readily available.

www.mt.net...

For those interested in the pre-mankind era, check out this site, you will "not" be disappointed. It is truely of the best of it's kind. I guarantee..

In summary, I just find it hard to believe God to become so upset over a piece of fruit. I believe there may be much more to the story. "Because I Said So" just does'nt make sense. The consequences do not fit the crime. There must be a more reasonable explaination. Though, perhaps not.
The mp3, in my view, raises some startling conclusions.

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[edit on 28-4-2008 by dirtusbagious]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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My turn again!

First, Sparky you are my new best friend!

Second, God wanted us to be forever pure, immortal and to obiy him. but we didn't and chose impurity, mortallity, and disobidience. He got upset and cast us out.

Third, God also doesn't have a body so how did he place Jesus in Mary? Satan, Angels, and Demons have the ablility to act apon the Living World if they so choose, or if they can.

I hope that helps everybody.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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As has been stated in previous posts, it wasn't about the piece of fruit, it was about the disobedience to God. God said they had free domain, he gave them only one restriction. That retstriction was that they were not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge. They were in a garden they could eat from any tree that they wanted to, except for that one tree. He warned them of the reprocutions, they chose to believe satan. When a parent forbids a child to do something and the child disobeys the child is usually punished. The parent is not so much punishing for the action, rather for the action of disobedience. Not only did they disobey him, they took satan's word over his. He created them, was thier parent, a child should not take the advice of someone over the rules of thier parent. You have to think as a parent, if you forbade your child to do something wouldn't you disipline them for disobeying you? And wouldn't your disipline be harsher if you knew that your child had disobeyed you because your enemy had told your child not to listen to you, that you were lying to him/her? God took great pride in them, gave them free will, they disobeyed him, embarrased him, made him look bad, of course he became angry and was dissappointed which lead to such a harsh punishment.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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Ah yes, sounds like Mormonism to me.
Sorry bro I believe that Joseph Smith DID talk to an angel, but not a holy angel of the Lord, but an angel of the Adversary.
I do not agree with the Mormons, nor do I hate them.

-Jimmy



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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adam had more than 1 wife. The one god gave him, then the one from his rib. Maybe Satan played with jealousy in Eve's temptation. Interesting thought anyway...



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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As has been stated in previous posts, it wasn't about the piece of fruit, it was about the disobedience to God.


So, in other words, they were banished from the garden, forced to hard labor, and mankind has suffered immensely ever since, because of the simple act of disobedience??

I believe it goes much deeper than that. That as the mp3 explains, something far more sinister took place. That Eve, against Gods' "warning" (warning for her benefit), placed herself (and mankind) into a serious situation, in such a major way, that the consequence could be no less than detrimental (harmfull) to every generation to follow.
For more so then just the simple act of "disobedience"...

my goodness, if every parent handed out the maximum penalty for the simple act of disobedience, so to speak. No, instead, I believe Eve had done something very damaging, to her spirit, soul, and mortal being, and every generation to follow.

Unfortunately, I wonder if anyone has yet actually listened to the explanation given on the mp3. The "seduction" explaination begins about 1/3 into the recording, then only last about 10-15 minutes.

Im really not new to religion, and am pretty fundamental in my understanding, how-ever, "this" is something I recently stumbled across. I carry an open mind, and don't just fall for something because it sounds good.

But to me, this does make sense, if it is to be true.

anyway, if you chose not to listen to it, well, it "is" the crux of the question I raise..therefore, the explaination it contains, is what I am interested of what your insight or thoughts my be.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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I think the whole story is metaphor and not to be taken literally. The "knowledge of good and evil" is the ego, the idea of being a separate entity that can even know what good and evil are. This mistaken belief causes all the suffering there is.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
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Ah yes, sounds like Mormonism to me.
Sorry bro I believe that Joseph Smith DID talk to an angel, but not a holy angel of the Lord, but an angel of the Adversary.
I do not agree with the Mormons, nor do I hate them.

-Jimmy


When did I bring up Joseph Smith in my post? I was on topic and discussing the OP's title, The Seduction of Eve... it is my belief and I do not expect anyone to believe or agree, it is my thinking on the OP's topic. I threw it out there, if you want to comment on what I said then go ahead... but please comment on what I said and the topic we are speaking about. If you disagree, what part do you disagree with in my posting? I do not mind discussing what I wrote. Aren't we all here to discuss our thoughts and beliefs on this topic? and not just saying I don't believe in what mormons or any other denomination or sect believe? I think that would be another topic for another thread.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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Satan will never have children, he will never have a body of flesh and blood.


this one confuses me a bit, on a couple levels. I don't understand how fallen angels can reproduce with mortal women. Yet the Bible does proclaim that it happened. ie; giants, nephilim, so on.
So knowing "that", I guess it isn't such a great leap to consider, at least untill fully understood otherwise, that perhaps Satan somehow has this ability as well (?).

anyway, i am still looking for an answer related directly to the information contained on the mp3 message.
Ya see, I have only recently heard this "deeper" revelation to what may actually have "really" taken place on that faithful day, in the garden.

I am pretty well introduced to the standard Biblical interpretations, (though your previous was something new, to me.). And accepted the teachings as explained to me. However, this deeper understanding, though "still" Biblical, is what I am now fascinated with. And am leaning towards as a very valid new insight.
I am hoping someone will listen to the explaination, beginning about 1/3 into the mp3 audio, and lasting about 10, 15 minutes, and then explain to me how this scenario could'nt make far better sense.

If a sexual encounter/seduction, as explained quite seemingly rationally/nearly-undesputably, really "is" what took place in the garden, in my opinion this ads a veryyy far more intense perspective, in the account of Bible history.

please consider listening to the mp3, (the part where the seduction is covered), I found this info. absolutely astounding, and something to be considered, for anybody interested in more than just "the pretty butterflies", of God and His creation.

this could lead to no less than an extreme profound new understanding. That though overlooked, has been there all along.

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by Draves
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Didn't she get Adam to eat of the apple as well?


Read what the story tells us. Eve ate the fruit from the hand of the serpent, while Adam ate from the hand of Eve. The theory seams to hold some water, but according to ancient Jewish tradition, the serpent in Eden was female, and it even had a name, Lilit or Lilith. Apparently she was the first spouse to Adam. Anyway, there would be no need for physical a sexual encounter, though the fruit of the Tree of Wisdom has a sexual aspect to it.

If you visualise the fruit with the moon, you will see how it seams to be eaten up in a period of 29 days. The curse Eve received was except for death and painful labour, menstruation. With it's 29 day cycle it is also connected to the moon. In a geocentric world, the moon moves up and down like a serpent along the equator. While the sun is the source of Life and governs the acts of the daytime, the moon brings wisdom of time and dates, seasons and harvest etc. and governs the acts of the night. Among other things, sex.

What God said to Adam and Eve, was infact, don't stay up late and listen to that silly serpent, if you do that, it'll bloodywell kill you.



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