There is A difference between a joke and racistic message, and either the OP was spreading the former or the latter by now, I believe the intention is pretty clear, especially after his last post.

As for his reply to you, I refer you to my signatures. And even for that video he referred you to, there is another side of the coin too.


[edit on 1/5/08 by IchiNiSan]

I think some sensitivity for others is called for!

The Chinese have been through a LOT of stuff!!!!
The Japanese, American propaganda and betrayal. Their own taskmasters.
To make light of their sometimes precarious politics is immature and ignorant IMHO!

It's nowhere near a joke. How can we help if we ridicule?
What are we going to do when the NWO takes EVERY country in it's grasp?

newb ponage, dog diggity, home skillit
i must say those chinese do have, smaallll amounts of facial hair

China is diffrent then all other countires...

China has been united under a common langue and culture for a LONG time.

I remember reading that all of China started the process of becoming united long ago... with the foundation of a common launguage 1000's of years ago. If i remember right, the orgins of the Standard Chiniese alphabet are over 2000 years old. And the language is pread through-out all of China... Meaning, MANY thousands of years ago, the was a people that conquered all of the Chiniese territory, and instilled a language and culture that lasted 1000's of years...

America is just a baby, barely over 200 years old. In a short time our country has changed the shape of the entire globe. Our Founding documents have inspired hundreds of other countries to model themselfs after us...


China gets a mixed rep here in the US. Many people from the Far east have alrady come to the US. Koreans, Veitimise, and Japanise. There are Many Americans that have thier family roots going back to these countries. But China is a diffrent country, and a diffrent people then any other in the region...

After the US defeated Japan, we rebuilt the country, and repaired our diplomatic ties, then the US made alliences with the South Koreans and the South Veitimise. These people have came and became Americans...

The Chiniese are a mix though... some of them dont care for the country they live in now, and only consider China to be thier 'home'...

China and The US are going to have a conflict eventualy... they are both to prideful of a people to back down... but mabye it can be avoided... if The Chinese goverment starts to 'govern' within the Rule of Law... and cleans up its Human Rights issues...

China may be VERY old, and have a long and great history... but in the modern world, China may still have some 'matureing' to do...

... and a side note... does China have founding documents?

The US Constitution and Bill of Rights are arguably some of the greatest document ever written... i don't know why a Chiniese citizen would know the US constitution, but mabye they never heard of it. Its not long to read either, its simple... if you have the time, and want to understand a little of what America is all about, read the Bill of Rights and the Constituion, and the Declration of Independence.

Heres just A little taste.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

[edit on 5/9/2008 by TKainZero]

I have to tackle the "founding of China" in two parts.

Culture - Chinese civilization:
This started about 5000 years ago (unlike the link you have shown). And almost every single Chinese you encounter will tell you that the founder of Chinese civilization is HuangDi (Yellow Emporer) at the Yellow River area. This legend defeated and subdued his main rival YanDi, even back then we don't "exterminate" an enemy, but try to win them over. Together they conquered all the other Tribes. This is also when the common written language was born, but even up untill today there are a numerous spoken dialects. Same grammar, but the speaking can be so different that I will never be able to understand Fujian Language for example. Ironically it was this complicated written Chinese characters that made it a big obstacle for the common uneducated people to learn and therefore many writings and knowledge lost in history. So the Chinese will tell you we are the "Descendants of YanHuang". Legend says at the end a Dragon came down and brought HuangDi to the Heaven. This is also why the Chinese dragons is having such an important role in our culture. Afterwards, the first really recorded (re-)united dynasty started of with the Xia Dynasty (2100BC) 600-900 years after HuangDi. Then came the Shang Dynasty and Zhou Dynasty. The latter one was breaking up and it is commonly considered that the periods of Spring & Autumn and Warring States were a seperate era and one of the longest periods of instability and continuous warring between hundreds of states. Big philosophers and lgends were born in this period. Confucius' teaching is the most well-known and is still influencing the Chinese culture. It was also during these instable warring era that many emigrated to Japan and spread throughout Asia. Then there was one state and man who united China again and established the Qin Dynasty (221BC), calling himself the First Emporer "Shi Huangdi". It was also this "Qin" name that China is called "China" in English, his other legacies is the Great Wall and real unity. This empire died off as quickly as it was established, and eventually the Han Dynasty was established. This and the Tang Dynasty are giving the name of "Han Chinese", a Chinese will call himself "Chinese", "Han people" or "Tang people". Buddhism became the mainstream religion during these two golden Chinese dynasties. From the Xia to the Qing Dynasty (last one) we followed the same patterns again. "Long period" of unity & properity, "short period" of destablization & wars, then "unity & prosperity" again. However, during these periods not once we had "exterminated" a "minority" at all, that's why you can still see over 56 ethnicities in China as of today. Han Chinese were living with these ethnicities at odds, but always trying to be peacefully together. It was during this relatively long period of unity & prosperity that we are always falling back in development. While the European nations HAD to continuous compete with each other and therefore improve, it was the stability that had set us behind the European development at a certain moment. It was during the Qianlong emporer era that we peaked in the Qing dynasty, but it was also Qianlong himself at his later age who somehow made the unbelievable call to not embrace science and "foreign technologies" unlike the Japanese, seems like great leaders can make incredibly bad decisions when they get old. The legacies is over 150 years of black humilating pages in the history books.
(And I still feel I have not covered anything at all about Chinese history)

Current China:
The fall of the dynasty actually happened when China decided not to be part of the technological and industrial revolution. We became xenophobic and isolated ourselves from the world later on while the world was developing herself. The colonial period and having empirialists knocking on our door "to have their fair share" are still very fresh in memory to many. After all, this is relatively only a very short period ago. We stepped into a new period of instability and wars, with all the suffering for hundreds of millions as a result. Among it foreign invasions (Japan and Colonial powers, including America), rebellions and civil wars were marking the end of "stability". We had the patriotic anti-colonists/empirialist boxer rebellions to counter the foreign influences and to not become another broken up colony and in response from the empirialists the most horrific event was the 8-nation invasion of Beijing in 1900, in which the eight countries USA, UK, Japan, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Russia and Italy. The humiliation increased the growth of nationalism and the resentment against the "foreigner" (White and Japanese). The cry for modernization helped the Republic of China to overthrow the Qing dynasty officially, lead by the "founder" Sun Zhong San. However, the ROC was incapable of handling the strong foreign forces, losing territories here and there, and warlords all over China declaring themselves as "local kings", effectively China was breaking up. Meanwhile in Europe you guys were fighting the "World War 1" and communism was uprising. It was then that a civil war started between the communists and the ROC, the Americans choosed the side of ROC. Japan took this opportunity and invaded China again, this time with the intention to conquer the whole of China. We have the Jewish holocaust equivalent known as the "Rape of Nanjing", which Japan untill today still denies it ever happened. When Japan is defeated in the World War2 by the allied forces, the civil war continued untill 1949. The communists defeated the ROC and they need to withdraw to the island Taiwan (over 50 years under Japanese occupation/colony). And the People's Republic of China is established. With a strong leadership, the PRC tried to pull all the broken pieces together of the former Qing dynasty in those first years of ruling, and you see in your landmap the China of today. The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution were two disastrious periods, but in 1979 Deng Xiaoping pulled us together again and started the peaceful opening up of China in an unprecedented way. We have abandoned collectivism, and embraced capitalism, so how "communistic" we are still? "Communism" was only succesful when we added "Chinese characteristics" to it and we are moving towards a system ruled by the Law and constitution.

This is in short the history, and I still miss a lot

[edit on 10/5/08 by IchiNiSan]

well said.

That does shed some light.

Thank you.