Freemasonry's Connection To The Homosexual Movement

reply to post by bushidomason


Yeah, us younger lot are invading the masonic ranks.
I know I'm the runt at 18. Don't necessarily mean anything, but it's fun to walk around with an additional badge on your sleeve from time to time.

I don't know about freemasons, but I do know that 'man + man does not = man, nor should it ever. This is a natural boundary put in place by evolution because we are no longer asexual lifeforms. The primary function of life is to create, specifically, more life. "True" homosexuals can't do this because they can't be physically aroused by women. My brother is a homo and he says "you're either a homo or you're not".

Anyone who sleeps with men and women are just confused or traumatized by something in their own life.

As far as Masons go, my cousin joined the "Reedyville Lodge" in Butler County, Ky acouple of years ago. He told me that it's just a bunch of overweight egotistical county power brokers who like to plot localized conspiracies, mostly on how to gain more complete control over the area. He also mentioned that many of these guys seemed to be "closeted self-haters" who talked sh-t about homos but were in fact engaging in it themselves. Considering their local clout and church standing no one talks about it openly. I don't think any of them are aware or care about a global conspiracy as long as they get paid. Of course, that's not to say they wouldn't happily participate in the killing of excess bottom feeders, so long as they remained in control of that county area.

Originally posted by herbalepoch

As far as Masons go, my cousin joined the "Reedyville Lodge" in Butler County, Ky acouple of years ago. He told me that it's just a bunch of overweight egotistical county power brokers who like to plot localized conspiracies, mostly on how to gain more complete control over the area. He also mentioned that many of these guys seemed to be "closeted self-haters" who talked sh-t about homos but were in fact engaging in it themselves. Considering their local clout and church standing no one talks about it openly. I don't think any of them are aware or care about a global conspiracy as long as they get paid. Of course, that's not to say they wouldn't happily participate in the killing of excess bottom feeders, so long as they remained in control of that county area.

Well it’s very sad to hear that about that lodge. I will tell you that, that is not the case in many lodges, and that lodge in particular is a deviation from most of the lodges out there. Most of the lodges that i have been to do not want the mingling of business affairs or, do not want people to join for business benefits.

reply to post by ChadAndrewATS

There are many well-known homosexual-freemasons:

1. George W. Bush
2. Tony Blair
3. Henry Kissinger
...And many of their friends & family-members are proud to be homosexuals (especially at the Bohemian Grove & in the white house).




Even Jeff Gannon & his homosexual porn-star friends know high-degree freemasons like to be serviced by them. He has visited the white house to visit his buddy, George W. Bush & his gay pals, plenty of times. Look them up online.

Research any famous high-degree & low-degree Freemasons & male-prostitutes: (www.restoretherepublic.com)
Even online-communities of freemasons look for fellow homos to join their lodges & state:
Gay Freemasons
groups.msn.com...
Gay friendly Lodges (www.freemasons.co.nz...)

There are plenty of Freemasons that are looking for homosexual-lovers at forums & popular masonic-lodges:
Seattle Masonic lodge openly accepts gay members
Gay Freemason Lodge is at the top of Freemasonry in Toronto...

Hist ory of Homosexuality

Interestingly, phallic towers remain to this day. The various orders of masons erect towers as memorials. May Day is a holiday in the British Isles when a phallic pole is decorated with streamers and colored, and a festive dance is performed. This spring rite is directly connected to ancient fertility practices seeking the god's blessing on the spring crops. There is a phallic tower in Vatican Square at Rome. Although the perceived significance may have changed over the years, these symbols of male-worship still exist.

[edit on 27-4-2008 by ahuman]

Originally posted by ahuman
There are many well-known homosexual-freemasons:

1. George W. Bush
2. Tony Blair

Why am I not surprised you went after those two?

Whatever, I'll give you a chance. Show me some hard proof that those two are indeed homosexual. If you cannot, I advise that you take those two off the list. I dislike those two as much as the next informed guy, but to falsely accuse them of being something is wrong, considering they already have enough bad things under their belts as it is.

Originally posted by SonicInfinity

Originally posted by ahuman
There are many well-known homosexual-freemasons:

1. George W. Bush
2. Tony Blair

Why am I not surprised you went after those two?

Whatever, I'll give you a chance. Show me some hard proof that those two are indeed homosexual. If you cannot, I advise that you take those two off the list. I dislike those two as much as the next informed guy, but to falsely accuse them of being something is wrong, considering they already have enough bad things under their belts as it is.

Lol... its about time they gotten some of their own medicine, it may not be true that they are gay and we may not have the evidence, but hey!!!! they didnt have the evidence either when invading a country so imo we need not to proof anything against these 2 war criminals. gwb and tb could ofcourse just sue "ahuman" and then ahuman could move his adress to one of the places who have an empeachment hanging on the wall waiting for gwb to enter their borders...

And to OP i dont really think that Masons care about what sexuality you have, and if it is a gay conspiracy hurray for that, coz gay ppl are more fun than straights.

This fixation with the aforementioned Freemason agenda could be considered under the circumstances as radically biased. Like it or not Chad brings up notions that are VERY relevant and prevalent in some of the conspiracy communities I have observed. It may no the fair, but, this isn't a game, and 'fair' is a concept you have to agree upon or else it's just an empty word.

Not being a Freemason myself, I cannot speak authoritatively in any way about what the 'truth' is regarding their beliefs. And I am often reticent to even broach the subject because there is no denying the self-identified members herein become rabidly arrogant and self-congratulatory in their 'participation' in what seems to be barely as much a debate as an outright Freemason revival.

I am in no way on either side of the evil vs. indifferent, Freemasons vs. good regular folks, or whatever. I don't care, I have no faith in 'organizations' including them, sorry to say - no disrespect meant on a personal level. Your clubs are you business. I just feel that once you gather more than a dozen or so people into a club, group-think takes over and I.Q.'s plummet accordingly.

I have to say, Freemason arrogance is the main course of the day thus far. They seem to think that people fearing or overestimating the influence of the order is a joke. It isn't to them, and frankly your callous responses aren't very 'becoming' or indicative of the better nature of your angels. I have seen this ridiculous 'show me the proof' garbage tossed around like its a debate point. I have an idea - do us all a favor - be proactive, prove it otherwise yourself, or isn't the truth worth the effort?

On the other hand there are some here to think that because they have secrets and rely on a tradition of symbolism and ritual that makes them Satanic or darkly evil. I think Satan would require much more than that. Heck, Jewish, Catholics, Voodoo, all spiritually-oriented groups rely on a tradition of symbolism and ritual. Its part of the human language of the metaphysical. Get over it already. Insofar as being a well spring of evil oppression I would have to give the order a 2 out of 10. Outside of a well rehearsed obnoxious arrogance they are not that all-powerfully impressive. I resist anti-Freemason because it echoes the same bigotry cast on any religious culture that's out of favor.

Freemason have to contend with the distrust for one simple reason: secrets. By excluding some from knowledge you are the proud owner of the distrust by your own hand. It is regrettable that no amount of 'good will' ever seems able to overcome the distrust which is nurtured by secrets. This maxim is not limited to the Freemason order.

This whole 'homosexual' angle seems contrived to me. of all the things for a group to espouse, who one has sex with seems awfully trite and pointless. If debauchery is their aim they hit closer to the mark with all those "Jester' scandals of late. Gays are yesterday's issue, and not likely to 'shock' many at all these days.

[edit on 27-4-2008 by Maxmars]

There's not a "homosexual movement". Just people wanting equal treatment which, as humans, they deserve.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any connection between homosexual rights movements in Freemasonry. Freemasonry champions human rights and individual liberties, so it is reasonable to assume that most Freemasons harbor tolerant opinions towards homosexuals.

reply to post by ahuman


Bush may well be a "fluff administrator," but is he a Mason? Is Blair a Mason? I seem to recall reading somewhere that neither are, but I can't properly remember.

Google is not my friend.

reply to post by Skyfloating


what about pedophiles when you r father lead you straight to his fellow mason to get raped no it is not my story but i cant tell you anything about it until i get the permission to do so

Originally posted by Masonic Light
There's not a "homosexual movement". Just people wanting equal treatment which, as humans, they deserve.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any connection between homosexual rights movements in Freemasonry. Freemasonry champions human rights and individual liberties, so it is reasonable to assume that most Freemasons harbor tolerant opinions towards homosexuals.

Succinct, thoughtful and quite frankly amongst the finest examples of a response.

I fear the evident bias of the OP would get me a rash of answers I'm not looking for. I hope you can tell me, where does the notion of an organized effort by Freemasons promoting homosexual rights come from? I know that, like numerous other organizations, you do not seek to actively disenfranchise any groups by sexual orientation. But has there ever been some kind of 'official' activity oriented towards spotlighting this stance? I only ask because, homophobia aside, it seems a particularly inane use of negative propaganda. Most often use of such 'information' has a purpose, but this piece about the 'homosexual -movement-' is well, lamer than usual.

Had it been my intent to vilify the order, I would have found it much more useful to point ... well, elsewhere. (No disrespect intended)

reply to post by grimm703


This is going to sound terrible for me to say this, but I've been reading your posts in this forum for a bit now, and I see nothing but hostilities towards masons. Why? Do you have some sort of personal beef? Your arguments don't make sense, and they always seem to be attacks.

It appears to me you are agreeing with the op, I don't think you really have a clue what's going on, and are just taking it as you can. Seems rather immature to me.

reply to post by Shugo


i feel no hatred towards no body it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea without believing in it
i am saying what my friend told me my mind hold it as an information but i do not act as if it were neither true or wrong

Um. Heres the connection:

Freemasons bio-engineered the HIV / AIDS virus.

Why? To kill people. Who? Who do you think silly?

African people, homosexuals and junkies! duhhh..

reply to post by runetang


Sarcasm? yes...no...maybe so?

lol

reply to post by runetang


Darn! You found us out!
And we would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling conspiracy theorists!

Originally posted by herbalepoch
As far as Masons go, my cousin joined the "Reedyville Lodge" in Butler County, Ky acouple of years ago. He told me that it's just a bunch of overweight egotistical county power brokers who like to plot localized conspiracies, mostly on how to gain more complete control over the area.

As a Kentucky Mason, I can say that I've never seen anything like that in any Kentucky lodge that I have visited. Of course, I haven't been to them all, so I suppose it's possible, but I seriously doubt it.

Originally posted by herbalepoch
I don't know about freemasons, but I do know that 'man + man does not = man, nor should it ever. This is a natural boundary put in place by evolution because we are no longer asexual lifeforms. The primary function of life is to create, specifically, more life.

Hm. I like that rationale. Somehow that "natural boundary" gets sidestepped by bonobos and other primates fairly often. With a population of, what, 6.66 billion humans on this planet, yeah, I guess what we need are more BREEDERS!!! Yay!

Did it ever occur to you that gays are perhaps a natural boundary to overpopulation??

Yall quit pickin on gays and masons.

reply to post by Pilot


I have to aggree there, homosexuality could be a means to help control a population and keep it from going to far beyond it's environment.
Anyway, I hope RuneTang was being sarcastic.
Myself, i've never had any problems with Masons, they do good work in the area,
The only movement I'm aware of for homosexuals regard attempting to be recognized and not be slandered.

reply to post by wayno


You're off topic. Besides, prove the genetic code and you will be credited. Most men I know don't want anything to do with homosexuality, nor would they ever act on a "moment" if given the "opportunity" to do so. You seem to speak in terms that will allow you to justify your opinion not face the facts that it homosexuality is a sin. If freemasonry allows it, or disallows it, if there is or is not a movement in the mason world with homosexuality, than it is what it is. Although I disagree with the philosophy behind the masons, I do think that the majority of people belonging to such an organization do more for the public, are more well rounded and have better intentions than those who are not affiliated with such a group. I think for many it is a group of men who get together, hang out and do man stuff. I don't really care about their position on homosexuality with regard to anything other than this: If they state their position is to follow biblical principles, than they are in the wrong for supporting homosexuality as it is biblically wrong and is a sin punishable by death (eternal death) ...much like murder and telling a lie. Which might seem mean by some standards, but we are here on this blue and green sphere to do one thing and one thing only, live our lives to glorify God Almighty. Nothing else matters. It is clear that homosexuality is is sin. God is saddened by the decisions people make, He did not create them with such imperfections. Through the generations of sin that have forgone homosexuals, the current generation pays the price. Much like every single sin that people face, including myself. The actions of my grandfather, my father and even me will determine the consequenses I and my children, grand children and great grand children will pay. Sin is forgivable. God never stops loving His children, but we need to turn away from the sin we choose to live in.