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Can God make a stone so heavy that he can not pick it up?

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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills.

miriam0566 you say and I quote "i think its because he wants to do things a certain way" and I agree with you here and I suggest that the "certain way" is infinite simplicity which sorta agrees with what you then post about GOD not lying and why. As to trusting anything, as my GODDESS is capricious and sometimes savage (evil?), well I leave trusting to the gullible and instead resort to outright respectful and cautious investigation (especially when it comes to her!). As to trusting YHVH/GOD I suggest you look at Zephaniah Chpt 2 Vrs 3 (blueletterbible) where it says "it may be" (in other bible versions it is rendered as "perhaps") and suggest that this scripture shows YHVH/GOD to be ambiguous when saving people therefor prompting me to state No you can't trust him as he tells us so!

You then go on to say and again I quote "if an absolute truth doesnt exist, then nothing is real" and I would beg to differ by saying stuff is real but just not 100% trustworthy and that this is confirmed by quantum mechanics where the probabilities and uncertainties of truth and false outcomes are played out each Planck's second of our reality! This backs up YHVH's own claims that he lies (Titus) or is ambiguous (Zephaniah).

And now on to the scriptures you provide... 1stly john 1:[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.....Well Jesus is the "Word" and the word was with GOD (and I assume able to see him) and Jesus was also a man so therefor a man HAS seen GOD (also I thought Moses also saw some part of GOD just not his face! Sorry I'm looking for scripture to back it up and will provide it or retract my claim ASAP) so I think this shows another contradiction and or falsity on one or the other scriptures parts.

2ndly between scriptures you ask "if god is everywhere and everything, cant it be said that we have seen god? " and I would answer yes because of exactly what you said but to show another side I am all of me and yet i cant see the back of my head or my heart without major help (mirror, MRI scan ect) so this may show why we as GOD dont recognize the rest of GOD as its inside/behind/beyond us and therefor we are stuck with an illusion of no GOD!

3rdly 1 kings 8 : [43] Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

how can he have a dwelling place if he is omnipresent? ...... Am I not dwelling in my own body? Wouldn't GOD also dwell in his own body?

4th and finally ...
hebrews 9:[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

this one strikes me as interesting. the temple and tabernacle had a holy compartment and a most holy compartment. the most holy had the ark which was said to be where GOD was.

i forgot what the ritual was called but basically once a year, the high priest entered into the most holy with a sacrifice. this ofcourse was all a copy and symbolic of what jesus was to do in heaven with his spilt blood in redemtion of mankind.

my point is, how can GOD have a presence in a specific place, even in heaven, if he was omnipresent.......I say it depends on scale involved i.e at a global scale the is only one GOD and thats all there is so there's no need at that scale for a small individual GOD (local and internal scale sized GOD) to run things (does an atom of your brain entirely control you?).

Personal Disclosure: Loving this thread and your part in it .




posted on May, 11 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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i've been putting a lot of thought into this question and my own personal answer is YES.

If you can do anything, you can make yourself unable to pick something up. But at the same time, at any moment, you can decide that you can.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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As to trusting YHVH/GOD I suggest you look at Zephaniah Chpt 2 Vrs 3 (blueletterbible) where it says "it may be" (in other bible versions it is rendered as "perhaps") and suggest that this scripture shows YHVH/GOD to be ambiguous when saving people therefor prompting me to state No you can't trust him as he tells us so!


trusting in god, and salvation are 2 different things. if god says babylon will fall, then babylon falls. salvation is abit more tricky.

see my thread on ¨is belief enough to be saved¨

www.belowtopsecret.com...'

when things are required of us, salvation becomes a maybe. because it then becomes up to us. especially if a proper motivation is required

but this brings me to another ¨stone¨. i think the inability to act unjustly may be one. (ill get into that later)


You then go on to say and again I quote "if an absolute truth doesnt exist, then nothing is real" and I would beg to differ by saying stuff is real but just not 100% trustworthy and that this is confirmed by quantum mechanics where the probabilities and uncertainties of truth and false outcomes are played out each Planck's second of our reality! This backs up YHVH's own claims that he lies (Titus) or is ambiguous (Zephaniah).


the thing about quantum is that it is limited. an atom can suddenly appear in 10 places at once, but we never see that with say a cow. yes, i admit with quantum anything is possible, but when you get to our level, thing become stable.

(i thought titus is where god claim he COULDNT lie?)


And now on to the scriptures you provide... 1stly john 1:[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.....Well Jesus is the "Word" and the word was with GOD (and I assume able to see him) and Jesus was also a man so therefor a man HAS seen GOD (also I thought Moses also saw some part of GOD just not his face! Sorry I'm looking for scripture to back it up and will provide it or retract my claim ASAP) so I think this shows another contradiction and or falsity on one or the other scriptures parts.


john 1:18 answers your question. jesus is listed as an exception. the reason that man is specifically mentioned as not seeing god is because it is supposed that the angels can.

as for moses, it is commonly believed that he saw an angel who was relaying the conversation which is not unheard of.


2ndly between scriptures you ask "if god is everywhere and everything, cant it be said that we have seen god? " and I would answer yes because of exactly what you said but to show another side I am all of me and yet i cant see the back of my head or my heart without major help (mirror, MRI scan ect) so this may show why we as GOD dont recognize the rest of GOD as its inside/behind/beyond us and therefor we are stuck with an illusion of no GOD!


its an interesting theory, but my personal belief is that god is a person. that along with the scriptures i posted lead me to believe that omnipresence (or lack thereof) is a another ¨stone¨


3rdly 1 kings 8 : [43] Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

how can he have a dwelling place if he is omnipresent? ...... Am I not dwelling in my own body? Wouldn't GOD also dwell in his own body?


thats is a possibility, but if everywhere is your body, then why say you are dwelling in a specific place? would the scripture be worded saying ¨and everywhere is your dwelling place¨ not just ¨heaven¨?


4th and finally ...
hebrews 9:[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

this one strikes me as interesting. the temple and tabernacle had a holy compartment and a most holy compartment. the most holy had the ark which was said to be where GOD was.

i forgot what the ritual was called but basically once a year, the high priest entered into the most holy with a sacrifice. this ofcourse was all a copy and symbolic of what jesus was to do in heaven with his spilt blood in redemtion of mankind.

my point is, how can GOD have a presence in a specific place, even in heaven, if he was omnipresent.......I say it depends on scale involved i.e at a global scale the is only one GOD and thats all there is so there's no need at that scale for a small individual GOD (local and internal scale sized GOD) to run things (does an atom of your brain entirely control you?).


yea true, but i think its making complex what is being stated simply.

the thing about omnipresence (defending it against scripture) is why is it important?

-it doesnt limit his ability to do stuff.
-he has an army of angels that he delegates with taskes.
-one of those angel took out 100s of thousand of assyrians in one night, so they are certainly capable of doing just about anything
-lack of omnipresence gives us (or me at least) the confidance of knowing we are infact invidiual and real (as opposed to just another part of god)

just my thoughts.

anyway i wanted to mention another stone i think i may have found

duet 32:[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

God cannot be unjust.

I forgot where I posted it, ill probably have to post it again in a thread, but it askes why would god have to send his son to redeem mankind? why couldnt he just forgive and forget?

and show some reasons why god chose to handle it the way he did. when i find it ill post it for you.


Personal Disclosure: Loving this thread and your part in it .

im sorry if im not that sharp. im abit sick

[edit on 12-5-2008 by miriam0566]

[edit on 12-5-2008 by miriam0566]



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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I don't think the question should be "can He." It should be, "Why would He want to bother?"

Here's one: Can God make a toe nail so long and sharp that He can shave with it?



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills.

miriam0566 of course you may u2u me on any subject you wish


Now to the points you raised in your last post.

1st that trusting in GOD and salvation are 2 different things. Yes I read the threadlink you provided and I I agree that things are required of you to be saved BUT and its a big BUT thats totally different to GOD being ambiguous about your salvation IF you follow his rules and thats what Zephaniah says to me i.e You must do this to be TOTALLY saved but even then your TOTAL salvation isn't guaranteed!!! Why should I do work for someone who guarantees I need to work to get paid but then doesn't guarantee I will get paid if I actually do the work! Work Unions would chuck a fit if this was the case and employers wouldn't be able to employ anyone as no-ones going to work under those conditions (at least not WILLINGLY!).

2ndly You were right as I wrongly quoted Titus but should of quoted Thessalonians 2:10-12 but this brings up another point as both books were penned by Paul and the contradiction lies between these 2 books.... I'm starting to feel the Paul who wrote Titus may have been a servant of Satan and here's why and I quote from the Old Testament "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV) "Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth" (Lamentations 3:38 New American Standard Bible). Here GOD's book shows he is contrary and so does Pauls contrary scriptures so maybe YHVH/GOD is Contrary?

3rdly appearances and actualities are 2 different things at any level(lets please call it scale as it relates directly to size) for example both sides of the coin exist here at our scale (almost superimposed!!! at least on the coin anyway) but you can only directly perceive 1 side at any one time. Multiple existences but with limited appearance and this with a macro quantum probability object (the coin) and at our macro quantum scale!

4th Exodus 3: 13 through to verse 24. most relevant verses are 21,22 and 23 where and I quote "21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: [22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: [23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen". So Moses does see GOD and LIVES! and its no angel that he see's as other minions of YHVH have easily seen angels and not feared for their souls.

5th you ask and I quote "thats is a possibility, but if everywhere is your body, then why say you are dwelling in a specific place? would the scripture be worded saying ¨and everywhere is your dwelling place¨ not just ¨heaven¨?". I am my whole body but I am focused usually in my head. you can talk to my left big toe but it will work better and you will get an answer if you ask my face!

6th you also ask and I quote "the thing about omnipresence (defending it against scripture) is why is it important?" Because YHVH names it as a state he possesses in the bible several times.(scriptures provided in previous posts) If this is wrong either he or the bible is wrong and whats this say about either?

Personal Disclosure: You are well sharp enough for me, even needlepoint sometimes
and I like the pressure you impart. I'm sorry that you are not well and i hope you get well soon



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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I'm pretty sure that if he was to say
"let me make a stone so heavy that I cannot pick it up, he could!
...then again he might try to pick it up and get pissed he cant!

His frustrations would then overwhelm his thoughts of himself,
and that would cause him to have a severe case of low-self-esteem!

...maybe after the mental breakdown, he could blow the rock to bits and pick them up, one by one!


*Courtney*

[edit on 5/13/2008 by Givenmay]



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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Can God make a stone so heavy that he can not pick it up?

But where would he put such a large stone? That's the real question. Of course a stone this large would be bigger than the Earth which means it wouldn't be on the Earth but in outer space. As we all know weight is simply a measure of the attraction between two objects and given that this stone is in outer space it would have no weight. The whole question is silly.

The simple answer would be, "If he wanted to". The not so simple answer is that you're relating an eternal spiritual God to a physical object.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic Faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I'm not a scientific/medical/legal expert in any field.

1stly
and now with the diplomacy and respect bit done I have an ignorance on your part dbates that I would like to deny. Methinks you are confusing weight and mass and the energy require to move either! Yes it weighs stuff all but the energy required to move(lift) such a mass( which doesn't change just because its hanging in space!) from its base path of movement is measurable and it has laws it follows (Newtons law of motion NOTE I'm not talking about his gravity laws). Please correct me if I am wrong in this.

2ndly you ask and I quote "But where would he put such a large stone? That's the real question." well I would like to suggest that there is nothing external to GOD so he would have to house it inside himself i.e he would be the stone that he can't lift. If GOD is Omnipresent and Omnipresent reality is dynamic (i.e it moves or is lifted) and GOD made his Omnipresent self static(zero movement or zero lift) then would this state meet the requirements of the O.P.?

Personal Disclosure: Sorry if I'm raining on your parade dbates but I must deny ignorance 1st.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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If you place the stone inside God (giving him a physical restriciton) you still encounter the infinity paradox. Since god is omipresent you would have to eternally expand the stone. This would leave little room for us to exist to ask this question. Of course this is non-sense since we can't have an actual eternal object in our reality.

To God, who is timeless, the universe is a static picture. Past, present, future. God has been there, done that, and has the t-shirt. (*Who was, and is, and is to come) Again He's not even a physical being. His relation to the stone ( a physical object) is not meaningful.

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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic Faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I'm not a scientific/medical/legal expert in any field.


Explanation:1stly I stated in my reply "that there is nothing external to GOD so he would have to house it inside himself i.e he would be the stone that he can't lift. If GOD is Omnipresent and Omnipresent reality is dynamic (i.e it moves or is lifted) and GOD made his Omnipresent self static(zero movement or zero lift) then would this state meet the requirements of the O.P.?" basically I'm saying I think and feel That GOD could turn his entire self into a Omnipresent static stone and then as a Omnipresent static stone could not lift its Omnipresent Static stone self due to lack of internal dynamic energy required to do the job! And GOD doesn't need us to be there to ask the question in the 1st place or to see the result.

2ndly You state and I quote "Of course this is non-sense since we can't have an actual eternal object in our reality." and here I feel you are mistaking an infinite (3D size) with the eternal (1D time frame). I believe we do have a Omnipresent infinite 3d sized universe (not just the observiverse) and that it has near if not infinite mass and that this mass is dynamic (thats a very big dynamic stone). If it were to suddenly become static due to total loss off internal consevation of momentum energy it wouldn't be able to move(lift) itself ever again. its omnipresent and so is GOD. Where is the problem here? Could not GOD do this due to his supposed Omnipotence?

Personal Disclosure: I feel the Abrahamic GOD must be physical due to his stating in the bible his Omnipresence over many scriptures. Also my GODDESS bears the same Omni qualities and I for one am sure she could!



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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oh for goodness sake.

contemporary humans are still trying to figure out how the pyramids were built


Stone is matter. That is all it is.

Matter is certainly no challenge to Spirit, why would it be any different to God?



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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No he cant because there is no God and no proof that God exists or has existed.



posted on May, 13 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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Obviously you failed to grasp the subject. No one asked if there was a God. This is about God being omnipotent, not a place to rant on how you don't believe in God.

Thanks.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 06:28 AM
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omega, i ahve to go to work and dont have time to reply today. im sorry.

i havent forgetten you, dont worry.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
1st that trusting in GOD and salvation are 2 different things. Yes I read the threadlink you provided and I I agree that things are required of you to be saved BUT and its a big BUT thats totally different to GOD being ambiguous about your salvation IF you follow his rules and thats what Zephaniah says to me i.e You must do this to be TOTALLY saved but even then your TOTAL salvation isn't guaranteed!!! Why should I do work for someone who guarantees I need to work to get paid but then doesn't guarantee I will get paid if I actually do the work! Work Unions would chuck a fit if this was the case and employers wouldn't be able to employ anyone as no-ones going to work under those conditions (at least not WILLINGLY!).


yes but your leaving out certain elements. for example, original sin. if we are all naturally sinful then we dont deserve life. the scripture is saying if we do all those things, we may get life. but the fact is, we cant earn it. Jesus was the only garanteed life, and that was because he was sinless.

its also telling us not to assume salvation


2ndly You were right as I wrongly quoted Titus but should of quoted Thessalonians 2:10-12 but this brings up another point as both books were penned by Paul and the contradiction lies between these 2 books.... I'm starting to feel the Paul who wrote Titus may have been a servant of Satan and here's why and I quote from the Old Testament "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV) "Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth" (Lamentations 3:38 New American Standard Bible). Here GOD's book shows he is contrary and so does Pauls contrary scriptures so maybe YHVH/GOD is Contrary?


2 thes 2:10-12 - is a bad translation. first examine the context.

[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Bible in Basic English (with my commentary in parenthesis)

And then will come the revelation of that evil one,(so sometime in the future, satan and his works will be revealed) whom the Lord Jesus will put to death with the breath of his mouth, and give to destruction by the revelation of his coming (his coming will be that revealing of satan. so right off the bat, we are talkign about a world decieved);Even the one whose coming is marked by the working of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders (so satan will work harder to decieve the world the closer it gets to jesus´coming, which also gives us a hint as to how close we are to it), And with every deceit of wrongdoing among those whose fate is destruction (men of the world too participate in this decieption); because they were quite without that love of the true faith by which they might have salvation. And for this cause, God will give them up to the power of deceit (he will permit thier error, he will allow them to be decieved) and they will put their faith in what is false (they will believe the propaganda they spread, until christ comes(verse8)): So that they all may be judged, who had no faith in what is true, but took pleasure in evil. (notice they already took pleasure in evil)

so evil men participate in decieving the world and GOD allows it untill the coming of Christ



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Isaiah 45
[1] Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
[2] I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
[3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
[4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

amos 3
[6] Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
[7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

evil = ra` (rah) evil (natural or moral)

ok. i quoted some the scriptures and some context so i dont have to quote them again. first is the word evil. it has 2 meanings. evil (moral - lying, cheating, going against the rules) and evil (natural - calamity, noah´s flood kind of thing.). if other scriptures say noone can find fault with god (deut 32:4) then it should be assumed that evil here is used with the meaning of natural.

if you look at the scriptures themselves, the centext is the same. it is talking about GOD destroying a city. Whether GOD destroys a city with an army (babylon as isaiah is talking about) or natural elements like fire (sodom and gomorrah) its refering to evil (natural)

the reason its not just GOD destroying a city because he feels like it is seen in verse 7 of amos chapeter 3. these are situations where GOD judged a city, and found it lacking. We have many different accounts. noah´s flood, sodom and gomorrah, babylon, ninevah, even isreal herself. all of them had several things in common.

1 - GOD gave forewarning of the destruction
2 - GOD gave time between the warning and the destruction for repentance
3 - GOD provided direction as to how to avoid personal calamity.

for alot of christians who are asked, ¨why is the GOD of the OT so barbaric?¨. they come up with answers like ¨well, it was a different god¨ or ¨the NT is what we really should be listening too¨. no.

GOD executed judgement on evil men back then as an example for us. why? because of armaggeddon. everything was an example for armageddon.

and even armageddon fits the criteria.

1 - too numerous to list all the scriptures that say GOD will not put up with evil forever. then there is the book of revelation that describes the final battle.
2 - GOD permits time for those who wish to repent
3 - GOD provided instructions to survive armageddon. (you already read my ¨belief¨thread)

so if the destruction of evil people is not evil (moral). then the context shows that GOD will create calamity (evil (natural)) for the evil one.

how do we know that the evil people in those cities were really evil? rememeber ninevah?

Jonah 3:
[4] And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
[5] So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
[6] For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
[7] And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
[8] But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
[9] Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
[10] And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

God repented of the evil (didnt cause calamity)



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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3rdly appearances and actualities are 2 different things at any level(lets please call it scale as it relates directly to size) for example both sides of the coin exist here at our scale (almost superimposed!!! at least on the coin anyway) but you can only directly perceive 1 side at any one time. Multiple existences but with limited appearance and this with a macro quantum probability object (the coin) and at our macro quantum scale!


ill be honest with you. over my head.


4th Exodus 3: 13 through to verse 24. most relevant verses are 21,22 and 23 where and I quote "21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: [22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: [23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen". So Moses does see GOD and LIVES! and its no angel that he see's as other minions of YHVH have easily seen angels and not feared for their souls.


your right. but I do want to note that care was taken not to show his face.


5th you ask and I quote "thats is a possibility, but if everywhere is your body, then why say you are dwelling in a specific place? would the scripture be worded saying ¨and everywhere is your dwelling place¨ not just ¨heaven¨?". I am my whole body but I am focused usually in my head. you can talk to my left big toe but it will work better and you will get an answer if you ask my face!


yeah, but why would you make a statement like ¨I dwell in my toe, or my head, or my finger nail? it doesnt make sense


6th you also ask and I quote "the thing about omnipresence (defending it against scripture) is why is it important?" Because YHVH names it as a state he possesses in the bible several times.(scriptures provided in previous posts) If this is wrong either he or the bible is wrong and whats this say about either?


i looked an those scriptures and i have some things to add, but i cant now because i need dinner. sorry


Personal Disclosure: You are well sharp enough for me, even needlepoint sometimes
and I like the pressure you impart. I'm sorry that you are not well and i hope you get well soon


thanks. i went to hospital today and got new medis so i should be fine.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by miriam0566]



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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I would have to say, No.
Simply because God has an existence that is beyond the dimensional Universe.
So, nothing inside the Universe could be beyond his ability to affect.



posted on May, 25 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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of course he can

God the father could make a stone too heavy for Jesus, God in human form, to lift.

all the best

david



posted on May, 25 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by JPhish
i've been putting a lot of thought into this question and my own personal answer is YES.

If you can do anything, you can make yourself unable to pick something up. But at the same time, at any moment, you can decide that you can.


=-) i thought of this. and i do agree to a certain extent, how ever, would god be breaking the laws of physics that he created along with the universe?



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