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As to trusting YHVH/GOD I suggest you look at Zephaniah Chpt 2 Vrs 3 (blueletterbible) where it says "it may be" (in other bible versions it is rendered as "perhaps") and suggest that this scripture shows YHVH/GOD to be ambiguous when saving people therefor prompting me to state No you can't trust him as he tells us so!
You then go on to say and again I quote "if an absolute truth doesnt exist, then nothing is real" and I would beg to differ by saying stuff is real but just not 100% trustworthy and that this is confirmed by quantum mechanics where the probabilities and uncertainties of truth and false outcomes are played out each Planck's second of our reality! This backs up YHVH's own claims that he lies (Titus) or is ambiguous (Zephaniah).
And now on to the scriptures you provide... 1stly john 1: No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.....Well Jesus is the "Word" and the word was with GOD (and I assume able to see him) and Jesus was also a man so therefor a man HAS seen GOD (also I thought Moses also saw some part of GOD just not his face! Sorry I'm looking for scripture to back it up and will provide it or retract my claim ASAP) so I think this shows another contradiction and or falsity on one or the other scriptures parts.
2ndly between scriptures you ask "if god is everywhere and everything, cant it be said that we have seen god? " and I would answer yes because of exactly what you said but to show another side I am all of me and yet i cant see the back of my head or my heart without major help (mirror, MRI scan ect) so this may show why we as GOD dont recognize the rest of GOD as its inside/behind/beyond us and therefor we are stuck with an illusion of no GOD!
3rdly 1 kings 8 :  Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.
how can he have a dwelling place if he is omnipresent? ...... Am I not dwelling in my own body? Wouldn't GOD also dwell in his own body?
4th and finally ...
hebrews 9: For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
this one strikes me as interesting. the temple and tabernacle had a holy compartment and a most holy compartment. the most holy had the ark which was said to be where GOD was.
i forgot what the ritual was called but basically once a year, the high priest entered into the most holy with a sacrifice. this ofcourse was all a copy and symbolic of what jesus was to do in heaven with his spilt blood in redemtion of mankind.
my point is, how can GOD have a presence in a specific place, even in heaven, if he was omnipresent.......I say it depends on scale involved i.e at a global scale the is only one GOD and thats all there is so there's no need at that scale for a small individual GOD (local and internal scale sized GOD) to run things (does an atom of your brain entirely control you?).
Personal Disclosure: Loving this thread and your part in it .
Can God make a stone so heavy that he can not pick it up?
Originally posted by OmegaLogos
1st that trusting in GOD and salvation are 2 different things. Yes I read the threadlink you provided and I I agree that things are required of you to be saved BUT and its a big BUT thats totally different to GOD being ambiguous about your salvation IF you follow his rules and thats what Zephaniah says to me i.e You must do this to be TOTALLY saved but even then your TOTAL salvation isn't guaranteed!!! Why should I do work for someone who guarantees I need to work to get paid but then doesn't guarantee I will get paid if I actually do the work! Work Unions would chuck a fit if this was the case and employers wouldn't be able to employ anyone as no-ones going to work under those conditions (at least not WILLINGLY!).
2ndly You were right as I wrongly quoted Titus but should of quoted Thessalonians 2:10-12 but this brings up another point as both books were penned by Paul and the contradiction lies between these 2 books.... I'm starting to feel the Paul who wrote Titus may have been a servant of Satan and here's why and I quote from the Old Testament "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV) "Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth" (Lamentations 3:38 New American Standard Bible). Here GOD's book shows he is contrary and so does Pauls contrary scriptures so maybe YHVH/GOD is Contrary?
3rdly appearances and actualities are 2 different things at any level(lets please call it scale as it relates directly to size) for example both sides of the coin exist here at our scale (almost superimposed!!! at least on the coin anyway) but you can only directly perceive 1 side at any one time. Multiple existences but with limited appearance and this with a macro quantum probability object (the coin) and at our macro quantum scale!
4th Exodus 3: 13 through to verse 24. most relevant verses are 21,22 and 23 where and I quote "21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:  And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:  And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen". So Moses does see GOD and LIVES! and its no angel that he see's as other minions of YHVH have easily seen angels and not feared for their souls.
5th you ask and I quote "thats is a possibility, but if everywhere is your body, then why say you are dwelling in a specific place? would the scripture be worded saying ¨and everywhere is your dwelling place¨ not just ¨heaven¨?". I am my whole body but I am focused usually in my head. you can talk to my left big toe but it will work better and you will get an answer if you ask my face!
6th you also ask and I quote "the thing about omnipresence (defending it against scripture) is why is it important?" Because YHVH names it as a state he possesses in the bible several times.(scriptures provided in previous posts) If this is wrong either he or the bible is wrong and whats this say about either?
Personal Disclosure: You are well sharp enough for me, even needlepoint sometimes and I like the pressure you impart. I'm sorry that you are not well and i hope you get well soon
Originally posted by JPhish
i've been putting a lot of thought into this question and my own personal answer is YES.
If you can do anything, you can make yourself unable to pick something up. But at the same time, at any moment, you can decide that you can.