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posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 06:06 AM
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This excerpt on The Secret Society Network comes from my book The Atlantean Conspiracy, available for FREE download at:

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“Beneath the broad tide of human history there flow the stealthy undercurrents of the secret societies, which frequently determine in the depths the changes that take place upon the surface” -A. E. Waite (Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn)


The largest mechanism used by the bloodlines to implement the New World agenda is the global secret society network. Politicians, bankers, businessmen, and media personalities - the biggest names in history and world affairs form a huge secret society matrix. This hierarchical pyramid-structured network is constantly recruiting and placing members in key influential positions. In order to orchestrate global events and policy decisions from behind the scenes, many niche secret societies groom and position politicians, media personalities, and other “yes-men” so they may best aid the Great Work.


"You see, if you amount to anything in Washington these days, it is because you have been plucked or handpicked from an Ivy League school - Harvard, Yale, Kennedy School of Government - you've shown an aptitude to be a good Ivy League type, and so you're plucked so-to-speak, and you are assigned success. You are assigned a certain role in government somewhere, and then your success is monitored and tracked, and you go where the pluckers and the hand pickers can put you." -Radio Talk show Host Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 7th, 1995


World leaders are made offers they cannot refuse, bribed, even blackmailed, or otherwise recruited and sworn into these secret societies. Then, often under blood-oaths to which they remain loyal, these Brotherhood initiates follow orders throughout their terms in office. In this way, the electorate constantly changes giving the illusion of discontinuity of leadership when in fact each successive leader “coincidentally” belongs to the same secret societies. A few of the more influential ones include the Freemasons, the Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, CFR, RIIA, Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission.


“A disturbing majority of the House and Senate representatives hold membership to elite organizations publicly sworn to destroying America in favor of a Globalist one world order system. This trend ranges from the now public U.S. centered Council on Foreign Relations through the Trilateral Commission to the quasi-secret internationalist Bilderberg Group. At the end of the spectrum we even see occult influences like Skull and Bones along with the Freemasons. The justification for a zealously ordered One World Government is chaos. Terrorism is the premier method for fomenting this chaos.” - Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (125)



“The conspiracy to create a centralized global fascist state is orchestrated in the five-sense 'world' by a secret network known collectively as the Illuminati or 'Illuminated ones'. They manipulate through secret societies and groupings like the Freemasons, Knights of Malta, Knights Templar and the Jesuits. These and others feed carefully chosen recruits into the Illuminati and they are installed in positions of power throughout the world, infesting all colors, races, creeds and countries. It is not that everyone in the secret societies is aware of the plot; the overwhelming majority are not. The Illuminati operate like a cancer to infiltrate and covertly control other organizations. Most Freemasons never progress higher than the bottom three levels of degree, the so-called Blue Degrees and they don't realize what their organization is being used for.” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”


Just look at the recent US Presidents: George W. Bush (Mason and Skull and Bones), Bill Clinton (Mason, CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral), George H.W. Bush (Mason, Committee of 300, Skull and Bones, CFR, Trilateral), Ronald Reagan, (Mason, Knights of Malta), Jimmy Carter (Mason, CFR, Trilateral), Gerald Ford (Mason, CFR) and on it goes, most every American president has belonged to one or many secret societies. Almost all America’s founding fathers were Freemasons, the senate has maintained a Masonic majority since its inception, and its influence has only become more pervasive since.


“The Freemasonic monopoly of government positions continued for at least the first hundred years of United States history … According to a 1924 census, even in that year, the Senate had a membership which was sixty percent Freemason.” -Mark Pinkham, “The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom” (291)


To deny the influence secret societies have in world affairs is naïve, but the mainstream media seem complicit in their exclusion of any coverage involving them. As shown in the chapter on “Media Manipulation,” this mainstream media black-out is also maintained through secret society membership. The 5 largest multi-media providers controlling 90% of America’s media are bloodline/secret society controlled. For example, the following are just a few of the hundreds of CFR, Trilateral, or Bilderberg owned/managed companies: ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, AP, Reuters, New York Times, New York Post, Washington Post, Washington Times, L.A. Times, Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, Business Week, National Review, Time, Life, Look, Fortune, Reader’s Digest, U.S. News & World Report, Atlantic Monthly, McCall’s, World Review, and Scientific American.

Not only are the media CEOs and boards of directors usually secret society members, so are the show hosts and news anchors! Here’s a sampling of some mainstream anchors and media personalities found on secret society rosters: Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Ted Koppel, Barbara Walters, Diane Sawyer, William F. Buckley Jr., Joseph Harsch, Bill Meyers, C.C. Collinwood, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Marvin Kalb, Daniel Schorr, Joseph Kraft, James Reston, Max Frankel, David Halberstram, Harrison Salisbury, Sol Linowitz, George Will, Robert McNeil, David Gergen, and Mortimer Zuckerman.




posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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“There can be no argument regarding the reality of secret societies today. The existence of groups like the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderbergers is well documented. The only question is the extent of their control and manipulation of major world events. Likewise, there is no question that members of these societies exert inordinate control over many of the largest corporations and banks in the world. These corporations, in turn, control essential minerals, energy, transportation, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, telecommunications, and entertainment—in other words, the basics of modern life. They also provide an inner core of ranking government officials on a revolving door basis. These officials often implement the very policies conceived and desired by the societies. These societies hold considerable sway over national elections and policy, yet seem strangely immune to any investigation, whether by government or the mass media. Since its inception in 1913, there has never been an outside, objective audit of the Federal Reserve System despite periodic calls for such.” -Jim Marrs, Rule by Secrecy (109-10)


After Bush was elected he immediately placed 5 Skull and Bones brothers in his administration. Clinton and Nixon had over 100 CFR members in their administrations. Ronald Regan’s 59 man transition team alone had 28 CFR members, 10 Bilderbergers, and 10 Trilaterals. Secret society members are prevalent at all levels of government, and not just in America, but world-wide. For instance, Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, Mikhail Gorbachov, George Bush and Tony Blair are all 33rd degree Freemasons. Marx, Engel, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and Mao-Tse Tung were all high-level Grand Orient Lodge Freemasons. Winston Churchill was Committee of 300 and a Mason. Cecil Rhodes founded the Round Table, was Committee of 300 and a Mason. Henry Kissinger is a Mason, Knight of Malta, Committee of 300 and a Bilderberger. Dick Cheney is CFR and Trilateral Commission. David Rockefeller founded Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission, and is also CFR, Committee of 300 and a Mason. These are the biggest, most powerful names in politics, all meeting in secret with no minutes, and no media coverage. Our public servants making private policy decisions behind closed doors. This has been the rule, not the exception, for longer than most people realize.


"During the 19th century, British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli was quite outspoken regarding the influence of secret societies in politics: "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." -Benjamin Disraeli, 1844



“There is in Italy a power which we seldom mention in this House … I mean the secret societies … It is useless to deny, because it is impossible to conceal, that a great part of Europe – the whole of Italy and France and a great portion of Germany, to say nothing of other countries – is covered with a network of these secret societies, just as the superficies of the earth is now being covered with railroads.” -Benjamin Disraeli, at British House of Commons, July 14, 1856



“The government of this country has not only to deal with governments, kings and ministers, but also with secret societies, elements which must be taken into account, which at the last moment can bring our plans to naught, which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, who incite assassinations and can if necessary lead a massacre.” -Benjamin Disraeli, at Aylesbury, Sept. 10, 1876


The Federal Reserve private banking syndicate was set up under Woodrow Wilson’s presidency. The following quotes show his suspicions and regrets regarding this secret society of banking elites:


"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." -Woodrow Wilson, 1913



"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, 1916


British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was a Committee of 300 member and 33rd degree Mason. In 1920, he spoke from personal knowledge regarding the global conspiracy when he said:


"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."



"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses. This little coterie runs our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen, seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.” -N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan, 1922



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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"The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson" -US President Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933



"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952



"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people… outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus." -Senator William Jenner, 1954


Bloodline president John F. Kennedy was well aware of America’s secret society control. His many rebellious decisions against the global elite, his non-participation in the Great Work, would ultimately lead to his assassination. He did, however, try to warn the average American of our plight. On April 27th, 1961 in an address to newspaper publishers, JFK said:


"The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings … For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. It depends on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published, its mistakes are buried, not headlined, its dissenters are silenced, not praised, no expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed ... I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people.”



“The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight.” - John F. Kennedy at Columbia University, Nov. 1st, 1963, 10 days before his assassination



"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.” -Senator, Daniel K. Inouye, 1977


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posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Just look at the recent US Presidents: George W. Bush (Mason and Skull and Bones), Bill Clinton (Mason, CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral), George H.W. Bush (Mason, Committee of 300, Skull and Bones, CFR, Trilateral), Ronald Reagan, (Mason, Knights of Malta), Jimmy Carter (Mason, CFR, Trilateral), Gerald Ford (Mason, CFR) and on it goes...


Of the above mentioned Presidents only Gerald R. Ford was a Freemason. Your data is seriously flawed.


Almost all America’s founding fathers were Freemasons, the senate has maintained a Masonic majority since its inception, and its influence has only become more pervasive since.


What percentage, in your mind, constitutes 'almost all'? The combined total of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution totals 95, the number of signers who were Masons numbers 22, which yields a percentage of 23%. Less than a quarter, to any rational person, is no where near almost all, please direct me to where you 'discovered' your information.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Notice the detractor is AugustusMASONicus. So the first reply to my thread is from a Mason, telling us that Mason's aren't in control. He says that Ford was the only Mason President of those mentioned, that only 22 founding fathers were Masons, and that my data is "seriously flawed".

My data is not flawed. Read Jim Marrs "Rule By Secrecy." All the Presidents mentioned are/were Masons.

56 people signed the Declaration of Independence and 39 people signed the Constitution which is 95 total as you said. However, the number of Masons signing is well higher than 22.

If you listen to Hollywood’s Masonic adventure movie National Treasure, then 6 of the founding fathers were Freemasons. If you read various Masonic websites, they tend to admit 9-13 were Masons. But the truth is that the majority of the founding fathers were high-ranking Masons.


“Of the 56 signatories of the American Declaration of Independence, at least 50 were known to be Freemasons and only one known not to be.” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”



“The Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry has told the student that 13 of the 39 original signers of the Constitution were Masons … It is also interesting to note that there were 39 signers, exactly three times the Masonic number 13.” -Ralph Epperson, “The New World Order” (146)


I count 63. Your numbers sound more like National Treasure.

Traditional history insists that the Revolutionary War was fought over the British monarchy’s unjust taxation of America. While this is true on one level, it is also true that the leaders of the American Revolution, the signers of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were all descendants of British aristocratic bloodlines and most of them Freemasons.


“Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few.” -33rd Degree Mason Manly P. Hall, “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” (XC and XCI)



“The very struggle for independence seems to have been directed by the Masonic brotherhood, and, some historians insist, had even been started by them.” –David Ovason, “The Secret Architecture of Our Nation’s Capital” (75)



“Freemasonry was the driving force behind the ideals and tenets … of the American Revolution. What is less well known is the fact that there was a very close connection between the French and American Masonic lodges at that time … In those days Freemasonry in America was regulated by United Grand Lodge in England, which appointed ‘Provincial Grand Masters’ in various regions of the North American Continent.” -Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, “Talisman”


Before the Revolutionary War, the “New World” of the Americas lacked unity and autonomous identity. For almost 300 years there was no military, constitution, or federal government. Then within two short years, the snap of a historical finger, America had Continental Marines, Continental Congress, and the Articles of the Confederation. With the Declaration of Independence, the British colonialists (or “Americans”) officially separated from the British nationalists. Freemason and bloodline General George Washington became first President of the now United States of America, and royal rule of America switched from overt to covert. Royal and secret society rule had not changed, only the perception of governance changed while the same DNA stayed in office. Instead of peasants well-aware of their plight, knowing the Monarchs/Emperors oppressing them, we became peasants who actually believed we were born into a free and open system.


“Freemasonry, the oldest and most powerful secret society in the history of the world, had planted firm roots in early-day America and even played a significant role in the American Revolution. It played an even greater role in the subsequent French Revolution, which initially was greeted with great joy and approval in the United States. The number of Masonic lodges grew and membership increased. By 1826 it was estimated that Masons in the United States numbered nearly fifty thousand, mostly educated and professional men. But in that year, one Mason broke ranks. It became known that a Captain William Morgan of Batavia, New York, was planning to publish a book revealing the secret symbols, handshakes, oaths, and purposes of the Freemasons. Morgan, a thirty-year member of the order, wrote, ‘the bane of our civil institutions is to be found in Masonry, already powerful and daily becoming more so. I owe my country an exposure of its dangers.’ Before the book could be printed, Morgan and his publisher were kidnapped in Batavia. Irate friends and neighbors pursued the kidnappers and managed to rescue the publisher, but Morgan was not so fortunate. He was never seen again. Years later, a Mason named Henry L. Valance confided to his doctor as he lay dying that he and two other Masons had dropped Morgan into the Niagara River Valance said since that night he had suffered from a guilty conscience—‘the mark of Cain’—and sought absolution for his sin.” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (217-8)



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Bill Clinton was a DeMolay (young men's fraternity ages 13-21), that is all.
Only some of the presidents where Mason's. Freemasons are as harmless and the only thing that we ever discuss in lodge is what to do at our next pancake breakfast that we serve to the community.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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You Masons sure do monitor my threads closely. If Masons really don't run the world, why does it matter if some nutcase like me says so? Why are you even on ATS?

And Bill Clinton is 33rd degree.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

www.cuttingedge.org...

By the way folks. These Masons are WELL aware that Clinton is a Mason. They're well aware of how many founding fathers were Masons as well. However they don't want you to know, so they have agents constantly monitoring ATS and many other boards. If I say one thing about Masonry, then a few Masons come here and all disagree, who do you believe, the Masons or the researcher? It's all muddied and cluttered. You're not sure who to believe now. It's all so confusing. THIS is how they want you to feel.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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I'm not a Mason, but even I can tell you are posting information that has no backing, or at least none is offered. Furthermore, there is one very serious flaw in your statements: if all these people are in these various secret societies as you claim, neither you, nor anyone else, would know about it. Hence the word, "secret."


In any event, I have known a few Masons in my life, and in each case, the person behaved ethically and was obviously very interested in others' welfare. I could think of far worse folk to take over this planet.

So, rather than making blanket statements which are not backed up by any sources whatsoever, why not consider that maybe YOU were fed some untruths about these people in particular and the Masons in general? It can happen to anyone if we let our fear get the better of us. So far, the level-headedness of the previous posts in response make me think this is the case.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Alkhemist

In any event, I have known a few Masons in my life, and in each case, the person behaved ethically and was obviously very interested in others' welfare. I could think of far worse folk to take over this planet.



Far worse folk to take over this planet?

Mussolini, Mao-Tse Tung, John Wilkes Booth, Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, Ariel Sharon!! These people are all Masons 32nd and 33rd degree. And you can think of far worse people to take over this planet?


“When we examine the historical record of the world's most despicable mass murderers and revolutionaries, we find that almost all of them were members of Freemasonry and other secret societies of the Illuminati: Robespierre was a Freemason; Weishaupt was a Freemason; Napoleon was a Freemason; Lenin was a Freemason; Stalin was a Freemason; Mussolini was a Freemason; Truman and Roosevelt were Freemasons; Ariel Sharon is a Freemason; Bill Clinton is a Freemason; Fidel Castro is a Freemason.” -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica” (43-4)


And Alkemist claims that he's not a Mason, but he has a signature quote from Dogbert about God. Masons hold Sirius/Isis, the Dog-Star up as God, and that is why the word God is just Dog backwards. His name refers to Alchemy, the spiritual secrets of which are held by the Masons.

Ancient Egypt was never known as "Egypt" to the Egyptians. It was called "Khemit" or "Khem" and this is where we get "Alchemy" and "Chemistry." The Philosopher's Stone, the act of turning base metals to gold, is analogous to the Gnostics' spiritual evolution from a base level consciousness to golden/illumination. The Masonic "G" references this.

[edit on 26-4-2008 by freight tomsen]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
My data is not flawed. Read Jim Marrs "Rule By Secrecy." All the Presidents mentioned are/were Masons.

Why? Because Jim Marrs says so? Where did Jim Marrs get his info from? None of that list are freemasons other than Gerald Ford who was a member of Malta Lodge No. 465, Grand Lodge of Michigan.

You also refer to Winston Churchill as a 33rd degree freemason. This is not true. Churchill was initiated into Studholme Lodge No. 1571 (United Grand Lodge of England) in 1902. He reached the rank of Master Mason but resigned from the lodge (but not from freemasonry) in 1912 as his political career was taking up too much of his time. He never joined any side orders. You can read about Churchill's masonic history in some detail at www.mqmagazine.co.uk...


Mussolini, Mao-Tse Tung, John Wilkes Booth, Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, Ariel Sharon!! These people are all Masons 32nd and 33rd degree.

What a hodge-podge of nonsense. None of these people are even masons. Mussolini banned freemasonry from his fascist regime in 1925, membership of freemasonry under Saddam's Iraq was punishable by death. There's a very interesting article you might enjoy on Wikipedia

Your sources, such that they are, are highly suspect.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Mussolini, Mao-Tse Tung, John Wilkes Booth, Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, Ariel Sharon!! These people are all Masons 32nd and 33rd degree. And you can think of far worse people to take over this planet?


This is absolutely ridiculous. Show me sources. If you can't, I rest my case.


And Alkemist claims that he's not a Mason,...


Alkhemist is a "she" so, therefore, it's highly doubtful she's a Mason. (And why are you speaking to me in the third person? Are you afraid to confront people directly?)


...but he has a signature quote from Dogbert about God.


Dogbert is a comic strip. Sounds like you've been getting into the paranoia juice a bit much.


Masons hold Sirius/Isis, the Dog-Star up as God, and that is why the word God is just Dog backwards. His name refers to Alchemy, the spiritual secrets of which are held by the Masons.


Next you'll be saying that since I use the toilet I'm a Mason, because ALL MASONS USE THE TOILET! OMG!!!!


Alchemy was practiced originally by the Egyptians, yes. That doesn't make me a Mason. (Besides the aforementioned fact that I'm a female.)

I can see this conversation will go nowhere. You didn't post here in order to share information or to start a discussion. You were hoping merely to pontificate and then attack anyone who disagrees with you. I'm done with this thread. (And I'm sure some Mason somewhere once ended a thread, and you know what THAT means...!)

Sheesh.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

And Bill Clinton is 33rd degree.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

www.cuttingedge.org...



Btw he is not a mason. Bill clinton never went on to become a Freemason. he was only a DeMolay member and never went on past that as much as many DeMolay members do not.

here are a list of Famous DeMolay members and more info on them
DeMolay Info



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

And Bill Clinton is 33rd degree.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

www.cuttingedge.org...


No he's not. Neither of the two websites you linked to do anything other than state he is a mason. That's not evidence - that's the ability to type



By the way folks. These Masons are WELL aware that Clinton is a Mason.

This mason is well aware that he isn't. Since information about Presidents who were/are freemasons is freely available in some detail, then it shouldn't be hard for you to find out which lodge Clinton is a member of. Right?


They're well aware of how many founding fathers were Masons as well. However they don't want you to know...

Actually we are very proud of this fact, and are very happy that you know...


... so they have agents constantly monitoring ATS and many other boards.

And you can differentiate between "agents" and private individuals how? I suspect you may never understand why freemasons love the Craft so much and are willing to spend their own free time countering lies about the organization.


It's all so confusing.

Take a deep breath. Step back into reality. You'll be fine.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by bushidomason

Btw he is not a mason. Bill clinton never went on to become a Freemason. he was only a DeMolay member and never went on past that as much as many DeMolay members do not.




“When we examine the historical record of the world's most despicable mass murderers and revolutionaries, we find that almost all of them were members of Freemasonry and other secret societies of the Illuminati: Robespierre was a Freemason; Weishaupt was a Freemason; Napoleon was a Freemason; Lenin was a Freemason; Stalin was a Freemason; Mussolini was a Freemason; Truman and Roosevelt were Freemasons; Ariel Sharon is a Freemason; Bill Clinton is a Freemason; Fidel Castro is a Freemason.” -Texe Marrs, “Codex Magica” (43-4)



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:04 AM
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Now look how Mason "Trinity Man" with compass and square for an avatar comes to repeat the party line. You Masons also noticed that I speak to you in the third person. That's correct. I'm not talking to you, I'm exposing you. I'm talking to fellow truth-seekers here on ATS. I'm not talking to the few people that actually believe your lies about Masonry being a wonderful philanthropic organization. I'm talking to the people who have seen through your centuries of lies, who have read about your past exploits, and who KNOW exactly who and what you are.

The majority of the US founding fathers, the Senate, and the Presidents have been Freemasons, but those who were not usually had nothing good to say about the organization.


"I do conscientiously and sincerely believe that the Order of Freemasonry, if not the greatest, is one of the greatest moral and political evils under which the Union is now laboring … a conspiracy of the few against the equal rights of the many … Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong – essentially wrong – a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.” -US President John Quincy Adams, “Letters on Freemasonry” 1833



"The Masonic fraternity tramples upon our rights, defeats the administration of justice, and bids defiance to every government which it cannot control." -US President Millard Fillmore



"All secret oath-bound political parties are dangerous to any nation, no matter how pure or how patriotic the motives and principles which first bring them together." -US President Ulysses S. Grant



"The institution of Masonry ought to be abandoned as one capable of much evil, and incapable of producing any good which might not be affected by safe and open means." -Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall



"Masonry was a state within a state and that one day Masons would overthrow the democratic government of the United States and would crown one of their 'grand kings' as ruler of this nation." -Rev. John G. Stevens, “An Inquiry into the Nature and Tendency of Speculative Masonry”



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:16 AM
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The "female detractor who has known some Masons" is another ploy. Look at this thread where this "Lady of Shadows" claims her husband, grandfather, uncle and a bunch of people in her family are 33rd degree Masons. "She" is just another Mason/Agent trying to herd your opinion their way.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is what they do. They are masters of manipulation and they literally monitor hundreds of message boards (among other things) with multiple screen names trying to make people like me sound paranoid/confusing. They promote the occult/mysterious aspects of Masonry to get you interested and omit or lie about the reality of Masonry to keep you ignorant.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:47 AM
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It's all very well you sitting there and complaining about the party line and quoting some people who didn't like freemasonry (which of course you are perfectly entitled to do). But it doesn't mean anything. This is a Discussion Forum, not a Push My POV Down Your Throat And Run Away forum. Many of your claims have been denied by several posters but you won't engage - you won't "prove you are right". You are by your own admission playing to an audience - but you are high on rhetoric and low on evidence.

Presumably thats because you can't provide any shred of evidence to back up the points you have made which have already been exposed as lies. No comment on my Winston Churchill article? Of course not. Why bother drilling down to the detail when it is so much easier to skate over the superficial surface of the topic, slandering and lying without having to deal with the reality?

Conspiracy Fantasists like to quote each others warped publications as evidence of the evil of whatever unfortunate group has become the focus of their attention. Instead of exposing freemasonry you are making yourself look silly because you are not engaging in a discussion - you are printing lies and ignoring the responses. You can't do that.

Dissect and analyze the article on Winston Churchill and demonstrate to me your full argument that he was a 33 degree mason, and then we'll talk.

Oh, and your new Texe Marrs quote? It isn't evidence, it's typing. Show me the thought processes behind his words. How has he come to believe these individuals are members of the Scottish Rite/Rose Croix (which is what 33 degree means, in case you didn't know - and theres every chance you didn't)?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
This is what they do. They are masters of manipulation and they literally monitor hundreds of message boards (among other things) with multiple screen names trying to make people like me sound paranoid/confusing. They promote the occult/mysterious aspects of Masonry to get you interested and omit or lie about the reality of Masonry to keep you ignorant.


LOL. I think you managing to sound paranoid all by yourself. Instead of denouncing anyone who disagrees with you as a (three dramatic chords) FREEMASON why don't you actually back up some/any of your allegations with facts and enter into a discussion with someone/anyone?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Trinityman

LOL. I think you managing to sound paranoid all by yourself. Instead of denouncing anyone who disagrees with you as a (three dramatic chords) FREEMASON why don't you actually back up some/any of your allegations with facts and enter into a discussion with someone/anyone?


Sorry Masons, as I said I'm not here to point-counter-point with your lies and strawmen. If you'd really like to enter a discussion, tell me some things. Since when are secret societies acceptable in a free, open, democratic system? Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, CEOs, International Bankers, Judges, Military Men, the very founding fathers of America and so many key figures in history belong/ed the Masons and other secret societies.

Men of high power, meeting in secret, for centuries, holding a wealth of occult knowledge, constantly being exposed for murder, treason, and worse. And here come all these Masons (who just hang out on ATS for fun) racing to tell you all how I'm crazy and Masonry is wonderful. They lie about Bill Clinton and say I'm lying. They dicker to death over what degree Mason Winston Churchil was (he was a Mason, period).


"One largely unreported story during the Ronald Reagan presidency clearly indicated that at least one freemason lodge was conspiring to overthrow the government of Italy. This scandal also involved a little-known group connected to the Freemasons called the Knights of Malta, which inherited the military orders of the old Knights Templar. John J. Raskob, one of the thirteen founders of the American Order of the Knights of Malta, was involved in the abortive coup against President Roosevelt in the early 1930s, foiled only after Marine major general Smedley Butler blew the whistle on the scheme. Modern American Knights included CIA directors John McCone and 'William Casey. Casey, along with Reagan's first secretary of state, Alexander Haig, have been connected to a fellow Knight named Licio Gelli, who during the 1980s turned a little-used Italian Masonic lodge into what was termed a ‘worldwide fascist conspiracy’ with the help of the Mafia, the Vatican Bank, and the CIA.” -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (256)



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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You gave me one link saying Churchill was 5th degree, here's 2 links saying he was 33rd degree

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

blogs.mochacity.com...

You give me three links saying he wasn't and I'll find four saying he was, deal?

P.S. Your link doesn't even work

[edit on 27-4-2008 by freight tomsen]





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