Serial Killer Team Drowning Victims Across The Country, page 5
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reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 02:11 AM by Dulcimer
The media is starting to pick up on this. I am going to list a few articles that I have found.

Fox News
ABC News
Short News Germany
JS Online
Leader-Telegram
WEAU
KTLA-5
1410 WIZM
9WSYR
13 WHAM
Democrat and Chronicle
MPN Now
News 10 Now
Rochester Homepage
WHEC
WLKY
WAVE 3
Westbytimes


A little too sensational for my tastes.


At least 40 young men who drowned may have died by far more sinister means — serial killings at the hands of a national gang that revels in murdering young men and leaving smiley-face markings at the scene, a team of retired New York City police detectives and criminal justice investigators said Monday.

They believe the victims, including University of Minnesota student Chris Jenkins and Fordham University student Patrick McNeill, didn't accidentally drown but were actually killed by members of the so-called "Smiley Face Gang," KSTP News in St. Paul reported.


FOX News

Seems local police think there still is no serial killer to be blamed.


Nothing has changed. That's the word from La Crosse cops on the latest serial killer theories originally broadcast by a Minneapolis T-V station last week. The theories about drunken drownings in the Midwest over the last several years are being floated by a couple retired New York cops. They think at least some of the young men that drowned after getting drunk are part of a widespread killing conspiracy. Just another theory, say La Crosse cops. They stand by the conclusions into all the drowning deaths locally: They were all accidental and complicated by excessive drinking.


Source

I wish we had more information to read.


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 02:31 AM by Dulcimer
I found a set of La Crosse Police news releases. I will post them here, and link to the pdf. I just want a record of them here to view easy.

I have bolded one key piece.


NEWS RELEASE
Date: 4/28/2008

Subject: News Release reference Eye Witness News Report

Contact Person: Community Services Bureau 789-7240

Following a recent Eye Witness News report, various individuals and media representatives have contacted the City of La Crosse Police Department. The Eye Witness News Report involved two retired New York police detectives who say they’ve discovered a link between a Minnesota death and the drownings of at least 40 other men in 25 cities in 11 different states
according to the news report.

The report claims that “city after city, when they’d find the spot where the body went into the water, they would find something else: the symbol of a smiley face.” The news report goes on to indicate that the detectives are convinced that it’s a sick signature the killers leave behind.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again remind and assure our community that the eight river drownings which occurred between 1997 and 2006 have been thoroughly investigated. The La Crosse Police Department requested the assistance of the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation who participated in the investigations and conducted an indepth
review of all the drownings.

The La Crosse Police department further requested that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, Behavioral Analysis Unit also conduct a thorough review of the drownings. Following the investigations by the La Crosse Police Detective Bureau, the FBI and DCI, no link between the drownings was discovered. The investigations concur with the findings of the FBI, “it is not unusual that many of the victims died of accidental drowning with alcohol intoxication as a contributing factor.”

It is also important to note that no symbols of a smiley face were discovered at any of the La Crosse drowning cases.

It is also important to note that drowning is the third leading cause of unintentional death in the U.S. Drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional death for person’s age 5 to 44 years. Males represent 81% of all drowning victims. Males make up 90% of drowning victims aged 15 to 24 years.

The La Crosse area river drownings are tragic and unfortunate accidents. The lowest blood alcohol content of the drowning victims was .20 with the highest being .44. The La Crosse Police Department has been in contact with many of the other jurisdictions where young people have drowned and, of course, we remain open to any new and relevant information. There is no evidence at this time to connect La Crosse area drownings with any other deaths around the country.



Edward N. Kondracki
Chief of Police


Source PDF
Part 2


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 02:53 AM by Dulcimer
Ok, this is a bit strange.


La Crosse Police Lt. Dan Marcou was visibly shaken when he addressed the crowd at the town hall meeting at Central High School Thursday night about drownings off the city's riverfront.

"My family has to be dragged through this over and over again every time there's another drowning," said Marcou, whose nephew and godson, Anthony Skifton, drowned in Swift Creek in 1997. "Then we have to hear people applaud when there is talk about there being a serial killer. It's sick that you would rather there be a killer out there taking these lives than it being alcohol."
Marcou insisted there is no serial killer and said he has seen all of the police reports to prove it.


Source


On Saturday, March 18, 2006, a water plane pilot was flying low over the Mississippi River in Illinois when he noticed something floating in the water. A closer look horrified the pilot -- it was a body.

The pilot called 9-1-1, and authorities set to work identifying the body. An autopsy revealed that the body belonged to 24-year-old Matthew Kruziki, who had gone missing on Christmas Eve 2005.

...

Bill Kruziki, Matt's father, is no stranger to criminal investigations. He's a former Wisconsin sheriff and the current US Marshal for the Eastern District of Wisconsin. Now, the investigator has also become a victim and it makes his search for answers all the more poignant.



Two family connections with law enforcement ! I thought the first one was strange when I read it. Now there is two!

Somebody needs to run the names and find out if there is more.


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 02:58 AM by shockedonlooker
The Perfect Suspect Unsuspected by Police

From: The Forensic Examiner 9/22/2006 | Author: Long, Leann

Linked info is about 1/4 down from top of page. John Doe is
AKA John Blake Lilly III among other aliases not known from media articles.

Excerpt:
"Back in 1990, a man entered a police station in St. Charles, Missouri, and claimed to be the next Jeffrey Dahmer. The police ignored this man, but he finally got the attention of one detective when he shared his detailed fantasies about drowning young men. A well-known profiler, Pat Brown, got involved with the case and has been monitoring this man for years. Nicknamed John Doe to avoid revealing his identity, this man reportedly wanders from town to town. Based on her interactions with Doe, Brown believes that it is very possible that Doe, or someone like him, could be behind many of these mysterious drownings.

It is actually pretty easy to build a case around Doe. In addition to telling police that he would go on a drowning spree if not contained and that he fantasized about driving across the country making friends with and picking up 16- to 30-year-old men ("6 College-Age Men," 2003), he was just a block away when Chris Jenkins went missing and claimed to be on a road trip during the time that several of the other victims disappeared. There is also evidence confirming that he spent time in Wisconsin. Doe had charges on his record for making sexual advances toward the teenage son of the owner of a funeral home where Doe worked and making death threats to the teenager's entire family. The police reports stated, "The defendant is a danger to the community because he goes for white males between the ages of 16 and 25 and had serial-killer tendencies"

creepy dude indeed if you continue reading...

[edit on 4/29/2008 by shockedonlooker]


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 03:15 AM by Dulcimer
This article is incredible. Thank you for posting this!

This is mandatory reading for anyone interested in this thread.


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 03:24 AM by Dulcimer
This old Stuff Magazine article is also very good.

Now if we only knew more about the John Doe. Sadly, they could not be the person that committed all the crimes as they were locked up during at least one murder.

But if this is a duo, and this person did actually communicate over the internet.

The friggin guy was into strange stuff.


Brown posed as a 15-year-old boy and reportedly role-played with Doe using the message boards on MenUnderwater.com, a Web site for gay men with underwater-sex fetishes. “It isn’t supposed to be sadistic,” Brown says, “but [Doe’s] version of it is more about ‘I’m holding you under the water. You’re struggling.’ That’s his whole thing. To watch your eyes when you’re drowning.” Brown’s probe also revealed that Doe had spent time in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and that he knew those states did not have a death penalty.

While Brown chatted with Doe on the Internet, Doe was up to no good in the real world. He allegedly made sexual advances toward the teenage son of the owner of the funeral home where he worked. Police say that when the father confronted Doe, he threatened to murder the undertaker’s entire family. St. Charles police issued a warrant for Doe’s arrest, based on a statement made by the detective who spoke with Doe: “The defendant is a danger to the community…because he goes for white males between 16 and 25…spoke of bondage and putting Saran Wrap over a victim’s face…and has serial-killer tendencies.”

When Missouri police tried to arrest Doe, he led them on an nearly hour-long car chase that began with him slamming into a police vehicle. He was then imprisoned for seven months for resisting arrest. One thing is certain: Doe, who was released from jail in June, was incarcerated at the time of Jared Dion’s death. Still, Brown believes that Doe could have been involved in some or all of the four earlier deaths, or that someone with similar proclivities is out there hunting.


Source

We should be able to find the NAME of this guy via old Google news articles about the offenses. They should have been covered by the media.

This could be huge.
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