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reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 01:34 AM by Anti-Tyrant
Originally posted by realshanti
The story broke on Coast to Coast this weekend and will probably go national this week.....

Personally, I think its a cult - possibly religious, possibly Satanic, but some kind of cult whose target has been young men who are abducted after partying precisely because people would be less likely to consider them victims of murder....



This is quite a likely possibility, however the targets don't seem to possess anything in common with one another other than (apart from one or two victims) being in a place that is frequented by young and extrovert individuals.

It may be the case that we've put too much credit to these [profanity], and they are infact a bunch of [profanity] who refuse to accept that they cannot have everything and because of it, refuse to leave other people in peace.

Disturbing is the possibility that these people are frequenting these hot spots of social activity and selecting individuals for their particular brand of entertainment.

They might not be an orthodox example of a cult, but they may exhibit certain traits that cultists usually share.

The symbol they leave - the smiley, is perhaps an important clue; They may be communicating using the internet, whether by an Ethernet subsystem or the actual WWW is unknown.

*pauses*

Oh dear... i'm getting some nasty ideas about this one...

*recalls a post made about how some crime would be committed, and would give the authorities an excuse to force ISP's to comply with their demands*

[edit on 28-4-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 03:15 AM by Dulcimer
I think the idea of a cult, or some group that you just happen to be able to join is a just..... fantasy.

A more realistic duo can be found here.
Crime Library

Notice how easy it was for them to meet and escalate their crimes. There is also talk of a cult, but I believe it was embellishment.

If there is a killer(s) in these crimes, chances are they are much like Lucas and Toole, only organized and very intelligent.

I would like to search the news records for various crimes near the drowning sites. Arson, robbery, etc. The one mention of a victims cell phone beside a stolen car was very interested when you compare it to Lucas and Toole. I guess it could also be fake staging.

A very smart serial killer(s) could also fake evidence to suggest gang activity.

To me, if there is a killer, they seem to be "breaking the rules". They don't fit a profile... like they are trying to NOT fit a profile.

These cases would be a nightmare in court.


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 12:04 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Dulcimer



Dulcimer,
Thats what I was getting at in my post about Toole and Lucas. They, unlike these perpetrators (single or group), just killed on instinct. They literaly had an IQ of a plant between them but a streak of devious behavior that is primative. I live in Connecticut. The reports on the student drowning case have been non-existant in these past months. This kid was brilliant. He grasped concepts most can't begin to understand. His professors have said he could have done anything in life he felt like doing. He did not simply stumble into that quarry. I worked for the company that owns that land and its not easy to get to it. Its not a regular hangout. The FBI needs to start a task force for these crimes and start crunching numbers and get some answers. Its only going to continue.
Zindo


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 01:27 PM by shockedonlooker
About 3/4 way through that video report from kstp.com Kristi says the detectives have names of people in these "pods". Not sure if they mean real names or graffiti type tags.

In the original police report for Chris Jenkins, there is mention of a person's name (wont mention since he was apparently cleared) and that they confiscated this persons computer. His alibi was that he was playing Diablo II online. There has been mention about certain video games containing smileys, like Manhunt etc. I'm not a gamer, but sort of wondered if there was some suspicion about some group of online gamers who may have sinister motives. Just strange.

If the detectives have names, but they don't want to "scare the group underground" as mentioned in the video, then why all the media coverage? To find witnesses or push the FBI into opening a task force? I guess I don't understand why the FBI would dismiss this number of drowned men in the same age group etc anyway, especially since there could be many others (like the young man posted above) who might actually be a part of this group of drowning victims.

[edit on 4/28/2008 by shockedonlooker]


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 07:39 PM by Spoontoad
Well, my post didnt show up. Dang internet lol So this will be a condensed version...

The detectives are coming forward in hopes that an agency picks it up from here. They are now broke and can't afford to investigate, other than go to the media now. The crimes are becoming bolder in nature as well with each drowning case. They are also upset the FBI hasnt taken this seriously. And finally, they just want all police departments to look at drowning cases differantly than how most have been handled within the last 15 to 20 years.

Visit their web site at
National Investigations

Some people are now sending money to the and volunteering their time in what ever way they can.


With regards to the names they have, the detectives have talked with several witnesses, and have gained both street & real names of people who may know something. Unfortunatly as private citizens now, the detectives can only present what they have to the media and police departments in each city in hopes of some sort of coperation. They cant just go and arrest these people, even though they say they have enough evidence that if police looked at it a little better, this would be solved. 2 police departments (Minneapolis & La Crosse) have said publicly they are not interested in this because there is no serial killer per the FBI, and Minneapolis PD also stated recently they arn't interested in theories, only facts, but they wont even look at what the detectives have found.


As for the Jenkins case, I believe his ex-girlfriend knows more than what she is saying, partly based upon the police file I've read, and partly because of a recent interview in where Jenkins father made a comment, and while he didnt say it out-right, was pointing a finger at the ex & some of her friends. This was on the KSTP web site, but I'l have to find the exact link.

With regards to all these drownings, I've also learned that a total of 24 people in La Crosse, WI have been found dead in the river since 1974, with 8 in the last 11 years. They were all the same - at a bar, drinking, etc - just as in all these other cases, and each considered an accident.

I also found it interesting that in some cases, the BAC was high due to the water, and depending on how long they were in the water, it actually raised their level?? I did read somewhere that this can happen along time ago, but it came back to me again after reading about each of the 40 known victims. Some only had maybe a few drinks based on eyewitness reports, but the alcohol level was alot higher. Others who had no alcohol, it was reported as such.

And finally, I've also found that there are many drownings across the country that have happened in the same manor.

KSTP (Twin Cities) is doing a 3rd report tonight (Monday) on the 10pm news as well.

And for the record, C2C wasnt the first media oulet to break this case to the public . It was KSTP last Thursday (part 1 of the investigation, and hyped up for the entire week before hand), followed by the KQRS Morning show last Friday with the reporter. C2C was the first to bring it nationally, if you dont count the internet or Sirrus.


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 09:43 PM by Spoontoad
Just watched the new video on (ABC) KSTP - Twin Cities from the 6:00pm news. A 2nd Minnesota Collage Drowning Victim has now been linked to the Jenkins Case. Scott Radel was last seen on Feb 2006. His body was pulled from the Mississippi River days later.


Go to the KSTP home page, and look to the video player on the right. Wait until the title scrolls to "Jenkins, Parents speak out"

I am starting a new thread HERE. Pease review all the links I have provided previously, if you havnt already.


KSTP should be airing this again at the 10PM news I believe, in about 15 minutes.

[edit on 28-4-2008 by Spoontoad]


reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 11:32 PM by Dulcimer
Feel free to add any of your research jerry2a.

I have not done any reading today, but I heard about a body being recovered in Nova Scotia of a young man that was missing.... found, you guessed it. In the water.


A body has been found along the Sydney harbour shoreline, prompting speculation it may be the remains of a Cape Breton man missing since November.

Police say an autopsy will be carried out on the remains, which were discovered near Leitches Creek by a woman out for a stroll.

Family members of North Sydney resident Alan Hill say they believe the remains of their missing relative have been found, based on a description of some of the articles found with the body.


Source

Very strange disappearance.


Hill, 27, who has a wife and three young daughters, has been missing since Nov. 21, when his car was found parked on the shoulder of Highway 125. The vehicle was unlocked and the windows and trunk were open. The keys were found a few feet in front of the vehicle.
Intensive ground and water searches, including several dives by police, were conducted in the area. When police abandoned the ground and water search, the family continued, offering a reward for information leading to Hill’s whereabouts.


Source

I am not saying it is related, but all these stories just remind me.


reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 12:00 AM by kattraxx
reply to post by shockedonlooker



Interesting... I'm still working my way through all the information, but...

archives.umc.org... Thinking about the cross on the forehead of the smiley face... the cross symbolizes "an outward sign of sorrow and repentance for our sins". And apparently there are numerous "dictionaries" of smiley face emoticons online. A smiley face licking its lips means "delicious".
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