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reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 11:38 AM by justlogic
I think this is one killer. He is about 38 with a history of odd sexual behavior that started in his early teens with younger children. As he continued in his decline and he grew older and victim accessibility changed his victims had to change, they had to be older. As he aged it became too difficult to obtain young children so he moved on to young teens and then in his early twenty's moved on again to late teen victims using drugs and alcohol as both the lure and control device. He probably got them high enough to lose inhibitions or pass out,more likely passed out. Some of them became conscious and this was an obvious problem to him and he may have tried to embarrass or intimidate the first one or two into silence as this is likely to have all occurred in a medium to upscale community where personal and family embarrassment was not an option.
That didn't work long and he may have killed his first victim when he was around 23 and eventually moved after things settled down locally as he was known to associate with that first victim and moving too soon would have been suspicious .Someone their may still suspect him.He probably never really fit in their. We should be looking at any suspicious and unsolved deaths in Wisconsin beginning around 1994.
His early victims know who he is and what was done to them, but do not connect him with his current smiley face killer identity and probably remain silent to this day.His current location is and has been Wisconsin. He was probably born and raised their likely by a single mother that had what he viewed, as success spoiled men, coming and going. She was verbally physically and sexually abused by these men.He is imitating that abuse,acting it out, getting revenge and it makes him happy. He may likely have an assistant of sorts, more likely a submissive subordinate that knows they are expendable, executable and or extracts some form of satisfaction from it and so remains silent.
He hunts for his victims on internet sites like myspace facebook and high5 using a phony profile. As he ages, his victims will continue to get older.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 12:57 AM by dtom76
Originally posted by undermind
Originally posted by ninthaxis

Combine the city-wide drinking culture with college age kids, plus a river with strong current, you have a recipe for disaster.


Well, it's already been established that the "strong current" description of the MissRiver is a myth.



All were with a group of people until they decided to go off on their own and leave their friends.



It's very interesting that you mention that as a factor in the disappearances. Goes along with the meme promoted in children's story books of today, as described in the ATS thread
Little Manchurian Candidates

When a child-figure in the stories split away from his group, for example, he would get rained on, his toes would get cold in the snow, or he would experience some other form of discomfort or torment. Similar material was repeated ad infinitum. Through their reading, our students would feel the stinging rain and the pain of freezing toes. They would learn the lesson like one of Pavlov's dogs: avoid the pain, stay with the group.

The stories in the readers consistently associated individual initiative with emotional or physical pain. Consider the example of the little squirrel whose wheel falls off his wagon. When he tries to replace it, the wagon rides with an awkward and embarrassing bump, noticeable to his friends, who then tease him about it. Another attempt to repair the wheel results in an accident, with bruising and bleeding and more humiliation. The cumulative effect of this and similar story lines, given the vicarious nature of the reading experience, would be to discourage initiative and reduce self-confidence in the first grader.



It is actually a surprise more individuals have not fallen victim to that mighty river.


It could in no way be described as a mighty river except in terms of it's length and breadth. It's average flow rate is less than 4 mph. It's more like a lake than anything, especially near the shore.


... everytime some black-out drunk college student ends up in the river


Very good, now in which other inland university towns near a river have anywhere near the rate of male student deaths by drowning in their river?
These other towns have plenty of bars and pubs as well, that cater for students. Where are the correlatory statistics?



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that's a great point and can summarize the rebuttals to the skeptics discounting the serial killer theory.

The best example of a university town near a river is Washington, DC. There aren't similar statistics of drowned male college students missing from Georgetown Univ, George Washington Univ, American Univ, Catholic Univ, etc.

In fact given the level of bars and proximity to the Potomac River, I'm surprised that more truly accidental drownings don't occur in DC, esp the Georgetown area or nearby Old Town Alexandria area.


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 04:10 PM by Lou Czar
It's very interesting that the majority of these drunk young men in the La Crosse deaths seem to find their way to Riverside Park. The authorities trot out one instance of actually finding a drunk college kid in the park, once. They didn't relate a whole bunch of instances, just the one. To walk from most of the bars to the park or to the river at any point would take a decent amount of both effort and complete stupidity. Sure, they were drunk, but drunk to the point of not even being able to see??? If they were so drunk they couldn't see the freaking river of the huge pieces of boulder rip-rap between the shore and the water, how the heck did they see well enough to get all the way to the park or the river in the first place? We're supposed to believe that given any random direction to drunkenly stagger along, ~7-8 young men all coincidentally chose to walk to the park or the river. Whatever.

There's a big drunkfest at Riverside Park every year around the Fourth of July. It's called Riverfest. There are lots of drunk people there, day and night. Some guys forgo using the porta-potties and instead urinate in the river.

Not once has anyone drowned during Riverfest at the park. I don't even know of one person every falling into the river during Riverfest.

The incident of the guy who is said to have fallen through the ice on the Black River is also interesting. Most all of the reports state or imply that the Black River is right by Nutbush (the bar he was at). This is incorrect; it's actually about 3 football fields away at its point nearest Nutbush. Again, given any random direction to walk toward, including the nice, bright lights that mark the highway this guy chose to walk off in the dark toward the river.

Yeah, I'm totally buying the whole "drinking+water=death" thing.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 09:18 AM by Tenneguy
I don't buy the drunken accident theory either.I have read about a lot of individual cases.Sweeping generalizations are made to ridicule a serial killer theory.I don't see any evidence that most of the young men were drunk.Chief Kondracki should have been the first to raise the red flag.He knew a young man was chased into the water and another young man was said to be terrified of water.If they were so drunk they wandered into the water then some should have some bruises from falling down.If they are too drunk not to save themselves or so drunk they fall in the water then at least a few should have fell down.That is not the case,so then the argument becomes they headed to the water to cool off .people just don't head toward water during cold weather.A law enforcement spokesman in NY said it was unusual for 3 young men around the same age to drown in such a short period of time and 2 out of 3 of them were volunteers for an ambulance corps.2 out of 3 young men were disc jockeys that disappeared and drowned in cities in the northeast, whose first letter of the city name spells arm.Other words were spelled out with murders also.Patterns seemed to have been created from news articles about victims.A news report said a NY victim was found 11 miles away at Pier 69 and those numbers kept repeating.Other patterns repeated also.The amount of similarities you would have have to believe is just all coincidence to dismiss the serial killer theory is enormous and improbable.Camp,pire,cold,arm were all spelled out.Between campbell and a fort campbell soldier there was even the begining of fort cambell being spelled out,starting with fortny.The letters that were missing showed up later with the letter in the first name of Abel Bolanos whose cellphone was found in the part of town called Camptown.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 09:28 AM by jeasahtheseer
reply to post by Dulcimer



Yeah if this is a group of killers I'm thinking they are probably organised and all come from some forum like ats or something. They probably all don't even know eachother except for on the internet and I bet it started off as a "joke" or some internet prank or something and got serious... who knows though, theres lotsa freaks on the internet...

Just look at that 4chan site a lot the people who post on there are probably like average kids you see everyday but then they go home and look at child porn and rape pictures and all kinda nasty stuff. And if any of you are 4chan readers, dont argue with me, because you ARE DISGUSTING freaks, you can't deny it.

The "smiley faces" might just be the work of a graffiti writer, because I used to hang around graffiti writers and a lot of them have some little symbol or picture that they paint that is kind of like their "signature". And a lot of graffiti writers travel a lot so its not that weird to see that same thing across the country.

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reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 02:28 PM by Flighty
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there is also the letters VSW at more than one location and a 3 pointed crown at more than one location.


I googled VSW and found that VSW is Navy terminology for ....VERY SHALLOW WATER....
So if this has any correlation, it could be that these markers could have been placed before the murders, so the killers would know where the shallow water was maybe.

Found the Navy VSW term on these two sites...

findarticles.com...

www.marine.calpoly.edu...

This could mean something or nothing at all.
Just thought I'd put it out there.


Also on a Street gang forum there is a discussion about Crip Graffitti and the meaning of 6 and 3 pointed Crowns....

www.streetgangs.com...

Again, don't know if this means anything or not, but thought I'd add it too.







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reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 03:01 PM by jeasahtheseer
Originally posted by fixer1967
Speaking of a serial killer, one has just hit our area. This is going down just 15 miles from here.
www.foxnews.com...


Well thats just sad, how could you just shoot some innocent 15 year old girl, or anyone for that matter?

I don't understand violence, its vile and disgusting...

Anyways, be careful if this is close to you.


reply posted on 21-7-2009 @ 09:37 AM by Tenneguy
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It could be something is being copied from news articles.If you have been to detective Mike's site you may have see the newspaper connection.A news story tells about the cold night a man went missing and later cold was spelled out with the first letter of city names.A monkey was in a news paper the same time a story was in the paper about a victim and later the monkey shows up in graffiti.VSW was not spelled out with city names that I know of ,but MSM could have been with the names of bodies of water.

LE has never seen this kind of killers before so it is easy to pretend they do not exist.

surfdete.ipower.com...
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