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FBI Wants Widespread Monitoring Of 'Illegal' Internet Activity

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:56 PM
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FBI Wants Widespread Monitoring Of 'Illegal' Internet Activity


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WASHINGTON--The FBI on Wednesday called for new legislation that would allow federal police to monitor the Internet for "illegal activity."
The suggestion from FBI Director Robert Mueller, which came during a House of Representatives Judiciary Committee hearing, appears to go beyond a current plan to monitor traffic on federal-government networks. Mueller seemed to suggest that the bureau should have a broad "omnibus" authority to conduct monitoring and surveillance of private-sector networks as well.

The surveillance should include all Internet traffic, Mueller said, "whether it be .mil, .gov, .com--whichever network you're talking about." (See the transcript of the hearing.)

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:56 PM
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Here it comes!!! Almost as if right on cue with all of the other Martial Law, Police state crap we've been seeing! "The enemy Weapon System" as the Pentagon refers to it, and WE are now the enemy...Get ready to see people being raided and having PC's confiscated for all sorts of bizarre reasons soon!

The hits just aren't stopping!


If any omnibus Internet-monitoring proposal became law, it could implicate the Fourth Amendment's guarantee of freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. In general, courts have ruled that police need search warrants to obtain the content of communication, and the federal Wiretap Act created "super warrant" wiretap orders that require additional steps and judicial oversight.

In addition, it's unclear whether "illegal activity" would be limited to responding to denial-of-service attacks and botnets, or would also include detecting other illegal activities, such as online gambling, the distribution of "obscene" images of adults engaged in sexual acts, or selling drugs without a license.


To be fair, Wednesday's discussion of the plan was geared toward cybercrime and the Bush administration's classified "cyberinitiative," which includes a shadowy program known as Einstein.



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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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Not sure if this is the same thing, but the very same Robert Mueller is asking ISP's to retain records of users activities for 2 years .

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it could be far more intrusive. It could mean keeping track of e-mail and instant-messaging correspondence and what Web pages users visit. Some Democratic politicians have called for data retention laws to extend to domain name registries and Web hosting companies and even social-networking sites. During private meetings with industry officials, FBI and Justice Department representatives have said it would be desirable to force search engines to keep logs--a proposal that could gain additional law enforcement support, but raise additional privacy concerns and potentially conflict with European laws.

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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OK, whenever I hear of the FBI, the mafia, or anyone doing illegal internet surveillance, I ALWAYS suggest using Tor with Firefox, deleting ALL your cookies, and blocking ALL your cookies (except ATS; YOU NEED THEM!).



This is just sick. Doubtlessly, the Electronic Freedom Frontier with be dubbed the "online terrorist group" just for protecting our online right, proxies, like Tor, will become illegal, and, sadly, the masses will say, "yesh, yu need 2 take doun shose croocks! I loooooove Big Brother! He protects us from tewwowism, whatever that is!"


Just that sheeple are SO when brainwashed by the media, they think LIBERTY and FREEDOM OF SPEECH are BAD, that Patriot Act is cool, that anyone who opposes it "has something to hide".


Uh, yes, I have something to hide. IT'S CALLED MY PERSONAL LIFE!



OK, to the sheep I DO sound like a terrorist.

FoX News: to be "Amerikan" means to give up your freedoms!



Sad that the average sheep does not even KNOW what problem-reaction-solution even MEANS!



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:29 AM
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reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


Great detective work, DD, Star'd & Flag'd!!!

Yup, guess now's a good time to shut down all the programs I'm running
seeking back door entrances to gov sites!
kiddin, of course!

I don't know the first thing about hacking, unless it's with my hatchet!!!
But i believe in it; information should be free-flowing, as long as you don't
try to harm our country. Those who would, should be monitored by FBI.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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Glad i never put much effort into learning how to 'hack' other people's internet lines.

*walks out of the thread, totally unaffected*



[edit on 26-4-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 03:08 AM
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Yeah, no kidding.

I guess they'll start making all the free access rest stops and coffee shops make you show your ID for access and then they'll drive around and hand out tickets for unsecured WI-FI.

Since the FBI dropped the ball with the Real Terrorists they have to do something to justify their jobs besides burning children alive in church buildings like Waco or murdering families like Ruby Ridge.

Yeah leave to the FBI to protect us all from them nasty gambling sites & porn magazines. Oh, I feel so safe now.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Gun Totin Gerbil
Not sure if this is the same thing, but the very same Robert Mueller is asking ISP's to retain records of users activities for 2 years .


Well I think they are already doing this as voluntarily on private networks because we had a meeting about it at work for no apparent reason - out of the blue - a few months back.

Mind you, most of my co-workers do not even have access to our companies computers as they have to have an account and password. Most of my co-workers are out loading trucks with forklifts and cranes and only deal in the world of paperwork and its only the office people that need to know IT issues about data policies, yet they drug all our arses into a meeting to explain how to save correspondences back two years for some unknown reason, like anyone could even utilize the information being given without computer access.

The meeting got me thinking about why it was so important for my employer to go out of their way to tutor us about the policies of archiving data when we don't even use it, then I understood that it was some new hidden agenda that no one knows about being handed down.

The governments are already well established within private computer networks and most people just don't know it. Asking for legislation is like getting permission after you've already eaten the cake.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 05:39 AM
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They will only have to flash the pedophile card and noone dares to oppose the law. That's how Finland got it's illegal censorship law passed and those who question it are labeled as "defending child pornography" -Suvi Linden, Finnish Communications Minister.

[edit on 26/4/2008 by PsykoOps]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
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Since the FBI dropped the ball with the Real Terrorists they have to do something to justify their jobs besides burning children alive in church buildings like Waco or murdering families like Ruby Ridge.

Yeah leave to the FBI to protect us all from them nasty gambling sites & porn magazines. Oh, I feel so safe now.



God bless ya, verylowfrequency, my sentiments exactly! Star!

Perhaps we should create the CBI ( Citizen's Bureau of Investigation), to
'monitor' them, to prevent killing people!?!?!!!

[edit on 4/26/2008 by FRIGHTENER]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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Where does it end?

We've lost the bill of rights, now our personal privacy goes out the window? We're entering the era of mind control, where the government will tell us what to think and how long to think it.

The main problem, IMO, isn't terrorism, it's the facts that are leaking out. Wasn't it Jefferson who said something to the effect of "When government fears the people, there is democracy. When the people fear the government, there is is tyranny."

Get ready for tyranny folks. TPTB want us afraid to speak out, speak up or be heard.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by kelbtalfenek

Get ready for tyranny folks. TPTB want us afraid to speak out, speak up or be heard.


Believe it or not, they've got the internet scammers over the barrel on this one - either they stop what they're doing before the scheme comes into place, or protest about the fact that the FBI is doing it's job - i.e; stopping people from breaking the law.

One should learn to oppose tyranny in ALL it's forms, not just that of political.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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I don't think in terms of gambling or porn, I think in terms of file sharing and torrent files.

Could a couple of large industries within the US economy finally have met the right lobbyist?

The fourth amendment along with the fifth would fairly well be a mute point.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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[rave on] All hail Big Brother! He is our friend to the end. He will protect us from those bad bullies for taking our lunch monies, scaring us with their 'tear-roars' and making us cry like a big baby. [rave off]


[rant on] Tyranny and oppression are bad. Our privacy is being invaded. Our freedom is being removed. We are being assimilated. Resistance is futile. We are one. Too late! [rant off]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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I just remembered, I talked to a friend about a week ago.


I brought up the topic of porn, of children lying about their age to subscribe to porn, how the internet filters are far from being impenetrable, and the illegal tracking cookies left behind by advertising sites. Just for kicks, I left out EVERYTHING I knew about FBI surveillance and the dangers of "Big Brother".



You know what he said in response?
This will make your day.



He said "People should digitally present their ID to the government and PETITION for GOVERNMENT APPROVAL whenever they wish to register for a site." Yeah, let the GOVERNMENT protect us from the evils of porn!



What makes me sad is that the average Fred is conditioned to LOVE Big Brother!



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by pikypiky
[rant on] Tyranny and oppression are bad. Our privacy is being invaded. Our freedom is being removed. We are being assimilated. Resistance is futile. We are one. Too late! [rant off]


[rhetoric babbling/rant on]

Tis' a sad day when Political Tyranny is brought in to combat Social Tyranny, is it not?

[rhetoric babbling/rant off]

Seriously, if you want to stop the FBI or whatever from carrying out their threats, then unfortunately we have to either play their game and get rid of all those 'benefits' the internet has brought to those who would take advantage of it, or go hostile.

And we know where going hostile will get us.

[edit on 26-4-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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im opposed to this both in principle and practice. if they want to monitor my comm's then let them get a warrant and do it correctly, i dont think they should have carte blanche

having said that, i can honestly say i dont think they currently monitor at least IM programs at this point. ive had a few conversations that, while innocent enough, could have been construed as something more. when i tell people online what i "used to do in the army" i have to use certain descriptive terms that would set off all kinds of flags if i was being monitored.

and as much as i hate to admit this, ive done a few things i probably shouldnt have and discussed them online. no one has come to discuss these with me in person, and i can be pretty sure they would had they been "listening in" so to speak.

i mean they cant open my US Mail without a warrant, why should i lose that right just cuz im "online"?

pffft if this passes then yes, theres a problem




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