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Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
I haven't watched it...I'm guessing it's the series of clips at the beginning of your linked thread? I've got coast to coast on right now, and they were just talking about this very same issue so I haven't watched them yet, but will soon and see for further discussion.
As for the thread, we both agree things are really that bad though right? lol
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
Ok, I am 2:11 into the first segment of film one...and he is talking about Alaska oil field able to supply America for 200 years! What? ReallY? Every thing I have ever read about that resource says at best it woul last 6 months to a year or so, and barely put a dent in world oil prices...and I mean like a bunch of sources...Do we know where he got his data or anything about this guy's credibility?
Look if it's only 2 minutes into his presentation and he has me seriously doubting him because of his proclomation of how the Alaska reserve will save us all, I really must question the rest of anything he has to say, and really don't want to sink 80 minutes into a bunch of unsubstantial bunk...tell my I should?
Originally posted by morthn1waytoskinacat
I have only read about 75% of these posts, but it seems no one has brought up the so called global warming crisis. I vaguely remember (I was pretty young at the time) the ptb telling us in the 70's that we were headed for another ice age, anyone remember that? Now we are overheating.....no wait, we are cooling down......maybe...
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
Hey, yo...it wasn't "somebody" who told me...yo, it's in every single major publication that has a story on energy supplies and covers ANWR, maybe the "someobody" we should suspect as having faulty information is this screwball right wing nut pushing the GOP agenda to dril and for what? even if we used it 100% for our oil it would be all gone in less than a year...Look on the utube and read all the comments from the people, they say similar things...look it up on wikipedia...look at recent periodicals from any news source and NONE of them say 200 years of oil up there in that reserve. Now if in less than three minutes that's what this guy is saying, guess what? I'm not wasting 80 minutes of my life on him to see if he can convince me of something because his credibility has just been shot all to hell with me.
I'm not adverse to conspiricy theories, even far out ones, but man, this one is so far from actual factual data it isn't even worth exploring further. Sorry.
Originally posted by Jadette
I don't think that there's anyone here old enough to have lived through the Great Depression. But does anyone remember hearing from their grandparents about it? I do.
Unemployment was over 25%. Wages dropped by 50%. People starved. There wasn't any work to be had. My grandfather swept the sidewalks in front of this factory for a month(on his own, no one hired or paid him), hoping some day someone would notice what a hard worker he was and hire him. Fortunately, someone did.
People who had a little land that the bank didn't reclaim were fortunate. They could grow a little to eat and work with their neighbors to share and trade.
My grandmother, until the day she died, always had a garden that she grew vegetables and berries and such, making jam, jelly, soups and things.
I'm not sure that we know what it's like to struggle that hard to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table.
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
who's in denial? His facts in the first three minutes are nat accurate, what makes one think the other 77 minutes are going to be any better?
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
Ok. I watched the whole thing. It seems like he is pretty much right on, but the facts still remain a little muddy regarding the actual amount in the north slope...back when they first discovered it they could have thought there was much more there than there actually is...it wouldn't be the first time...remeber about 8 years ago or so when the field around the Caspian was found and they thought it was huge and then it turned out it was only a small percentage of what originally was calculated?
It's a great big huge mess that these guys have got us into...but he rests everything on the supposed solution being drill in ANWR and I think the joury is still out on that issue...unless there is some definitive proof that there is infact enough oil there to last us 200 years, and other than this one guy saying so, where is there other evidence?
Well, he's written it in books...and I don't hear anyone debunking him. Just many saying differently. No one takes him head on.
Originally posted by skyshow
yeah, I mean he might be right on for all we know...I'm just saying that there isn't much showing up to back up his statements about the 200 years of reserves up there on the north slopes...but for all we know, he is right, and everyone else, and I do mean everyone else, is totally wrong...other than that...I do think he's really right on with it...and so, yeah, things are bad, and your beloved Republican President who stole the election in 2000 ran us into the freakin' dirt...can you atleast admit to that one?
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by Amaterasu
I gotcha...I didn't mean to accuse "you" per se' these are frustrating times with so many people still eating it all up hook line and sinker...
but the Pres' dis-approval rating according to poll last week has it up at 81% So more and more are finally getting it...however the right wing political machine is hard at work trying to discredit and assasinate reputations from any candidate running on another ticket and decpite the masses seeing bush/cheney et.al. for what they are, unfortunately they aren't all connecting it up with the whole gestopel as it were (ie: GOP)...
Gas prices are at all time high, food at the grocery store has gone way up and shortages starting to be seen at costco and wal mart...not good signs at all....