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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 09:02 AM by masqua
The roots of religion are older by far than any recorded history. They go back to that moment in time when we first began taking note of dreams and visions.

from The Mind in the Cave by David Lewis-Williams (Thames and Hudson) Pages 132-135

Amongst hunter-gatherer (and some other) communities the sort of experience that the Tukano describe is called 'shamanism'. The word describes from the Tungus language of central Asia. Today this is a disputed word. Some researchers feel that the term has been used too generally to be of any use and that it should be restricted to the central Asian communities of its origin. Although I appreciate the point these writers make, I and many others disagree. We believe that 'shamanism' usefully points to a human universal- the need to make sense of shifting consciousness.- and the way in which this is accomplished, especially, but not always, among hunter-gatherers. The word need not obscure the diversity of worldwide shamanism any more than 'Christianity' obscures theological, ritual and social differences between the Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic and the many other Protestant Churches. Nor does 'Christianity' mask the changes that have taken place over the last two millenia. Too intense a focus is in danger of losing sight of the wood.

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I am not alone in emphasizing the importance of making sense of altered states of consciousness in the genesis of religion.

-snip-

(Weston La Barre states)

...hallucination, trance, possession, vision, sensory deprivation, and especially the REM-dream state- apart from their cultural contexts and symbolic content, are essentially the same psychic states found everywhere among mankind; ...shamanism or direct contact with the supernatural in these states...is the de facto source of all revelation and ultimately of all religions.


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reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 06:48 AM by dave420
reply to post by TLomon



We're not hard-wired to believe in God - we're hard-wired to try to understand our surroundings. When our collective knowledge wasn't good enough for it, which is a situation every single culture around the world has been in, we attribute the unknown to God, as that's all the human mind can come up with to explain it - some divine being who can cause everything that we can't understand. Hey - he's divine, after all!

So, my understanding is the notion of God is created by our own desire to understand our world to fill in the gap.

As for the idea of religion giving us faith to continue, that's true. We don't only get this faith from religion, though - it's possible to get it from anything, if it means enough to you.

To me, religion is an anachronism, a vestigial relic of a much earlier time in human societal evolution, when the rule of law could not be enforced by anyone other than "God". Write down your laws, say God will send you to hell if you break them, and you've got yourself the very first social contract that outlines expected and allowed behaviours. If you don't have a police force to maintain the peace and to protect people, then you need God to do the enforcing for you. Human development has rendered God useless, to everyone other than those desperate to believe in him.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 11:09 AM by dave420
reply to post by sir_chancealot



Nope. Occam's razor would suggest they are all wrong, as a god is far more complicated than no god.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:00 PM by madnessinmysoul
there are atheistic cultures

example:
en.wikipedia.org...

The Pirahã have no concept of God or religion. They believe in spirits, though these are not the same kinds of spirits in other cultures. These "spirits" can be jaguars, trees, or other visible, tangible things.


a culture that doesn't believe in anything but the material world...
they're a purely atheistic culture.


reply posted on 25-5-2008 @ 08:10 AM by Symer
Originally posted by TLomon
The news article stating this came from CNN:

www.cnn.com...

It is rather interesting. Especially the analysis by atheists, etc.

What Dr. Newberg is suggesting must be lost somewhere to make the article accessible for laymen, because I don't see any evidence of any ' hardwiring for faith' there. A number of brain areas are listed along with their functions involving religion. He found that across cultures the frontal lobe helps us concentrate during prayer for instance. The frontal lobe is however generally responsible for focusing, attention and task delegation, so finding this area to be involved with focusing during prayer is a no-brainer.

To second Madnessinmysouls post: I have spoken to members of the Bushmen tribe in South Africa (through an interpreter) and I asked if they were religious in any way. They told me they conduct ceremonies to honour their forefathers. The interpreter added that they have no concept of God.

I therefore dispute both the claim that all cultures believe in some form of a God and the claim that we are hardwired to do so. Finally, as also noted in the CNN article, the fact that feeling a divine presence due to artificial stimulation of brain areas suggests that divine experiences can be explained through natural overstimulation as well, rather than through an actual diety.


reply posted on 26-5-2008 @ 12:59 PM by dave420
reply to post by truthseeker816



Your feelings can lie to you. You wouldn't pin the entire reason behind the universe on your own feelings, would you? Would you pick medicine for a sick family member at random, or would you want to at least understand what the drugs do first? If you treated the rest of your world with the heedless abandonment you afford the creation of the universe, I fear for you and those around you.

God, if you think he exists, gave us our brains for a reason. And I'm pretty sure the reason isn't "don't use it".
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