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Was Dr. Steven Greer paid to lie...?

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posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by LateApexer313
What's this about a video that you wanted ATS to try to get on the site? Is it one of Greer's videos? I just had to read the last two pages of this thread and thought you made mention of something like that...


Follow the link in my sig and listen to the ATS Mix! interview with James Gilliland.

He says that Greer came to his ranch at Mount Adams and did a big CSETI training there, and "countless" ships came in, and Gilliland says he has video footage of all of it!!


Odd that Springer and the rest of the staff have said NOTHING about this, even though Springer is usually right on top of potentially mind-blowing, important and paradigm-shifting evidence like this...................


[POKE POKE]

[PROD PROD]




posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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Well what if you went on the same path he did and found that you can call down a host. Would you carry on the same path? It seems that Dr. Green has learned of new realities. There are so many aspects out there maybe his main objective to begin with is on the brink of a new profound reality itself, so he really has no probable cause to continue anymore.

If you mean that Dr Green is being paid to mislead the public well then he just fits in the William Cooper camp. It's a perfect way to throw stuff out there. Who's going to believe them anyway and what direction will it lead in? If your the brainiac with the magic wand are you going to go and work for this guy? Remember Dr. Green works for us. The Disclosure Project is our project. It's going to lead to a cleaner, greener future for all of us. LOL.


As far as calling down a host. yahweh on youtube has several videos claiming to do this. I think most of the time they back off from this guy. Seriously if you were "above all" and came down to a primitive camera crew, clapping, and throwing glitter into the air I think you would blow them off the majority of the time. VHS is obsolete.


I'm not sure how all this works but if you keep praying and say to yourself, "Come on down here. I got something to show you.", over and over again. It just might work if you concentrate hard enough.





I'm on Dr. Green's side.

I'd like a round trip ticket.

Bring on the black triangles and bug people!



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by 987931
I'm trying to clarify what, exactly, you regard as absolute nonsense.


That he is no longer discusses disclosure.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by jritzmann

Well, if you were there, as I was, you know Bassett made the unequivocal statement that the enigma is without question, "confirmed" extraterrestrial...during the end of the panel lecture. I nearly fell out of my seat.

That kind of blanket statement can earn you the title of Greer-esque real quick.



Well I see your point in a way. But on the other hand, the evidence is overwhelming that ETs have been interacting with us for millennia and continue to do so, with some discretion. Also, they have been involved at multiple-levels with various global governments, INTELS & the like for decades.

Bassett took it as a given that virtually everyone present had done sufficient personal research to convince them of the ET nature of the phenomenon, and that's why they were giving up their weekends to be there. It's the reason PRG is in business & disclosure is THE issue. It's what he spends his days in Congress lobbying for. Do you think he's going to say 'Well you know I'm not sure...ETs MIGHT exist, but...'?

In the end, surely he just said the same as Ed Mitchell, Richard Dolan et al. We all KNOW this to be the case.

Don't we?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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Well, I'm glad that we all seem to *know* it's ET. I for one do not, and I've had the "contact", "abduction", "visitation", what the hell ever you want to call it experiences, since I was 5 yrs old..on top of 20 years of research into it.

I don't see the ETH getting us anywhere. I do however see a lot of hints at much deeper possibilities. I really find it amusing that people claim to have these answers of origin when technically we know nothing more about this enigma then we did at the modern inception of the phenomena, 60 years ago.

I'm not saying it couldn't be ETs. But it's rather unwise to assume the ETH is right because it's the easy answer...in an enigma that has never given us the easy answer. In my personal view it's a lazy answer...and a way to ignore the more bizarre aspects of how the enigma seems to behave.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Look, it seems clear that there are more advanced beings than us out there.

Whether they come from other planets, or other dimensions, or other timelines, or other universes - what difference does it make really? The point being that they are not plain old ordinary Earth-grown humans, but from somewhere else, and more advanced than us



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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ET research getting us nowhere?

Those 'ETs' are tight lipped and hard to understand and perhaps not
as intelligent as everyone claims.

With their anti gravity and all it seems a shame not to be friends.

Well I never did any ET research and the last UFO magazine must
have been still in the 50s.

Well 'their' secrets are still all wrapped up like the Tesla documents the
Illuminati kiss and bow down to every night.

And with all the western worlds money and political and government
systems behind them its a snap keep it all hidden.


I don't thinks its 'ETs' behind it all, its 'Illuminatis'.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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How do you know at least some of the Illuminati aren't also ETs?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by jritzmann
reply to post by bovarcher
 


Well, I'm glad that we all seem to *know* it's ET. I for one do not, and I've had the "contact", "abduction", "visitation", what the hell ever you want to call it experiences, since I was 5 yrs old..on top of 20 years of research into it.

I don't see the ETH getting us anywhere. I do however see a lot of hints at much deeper possibilities. I really find it amusing that people claim to have these answers of origin when technically we know nothing more about this enigma then we did at the modern inception of the phenomena, 60 years ago.

I'm not saying it couldn't be ETs. But it's rather unwise to assume the ETH is right because it's the easy answer...in an enigma that has never given us the easy answer. In my personal view it's a lazy answer...and a way to ignore the more bizarre aspects of how the enigma seems to behave.


I see. Well, I think that's a very sound and well-grounded position actually.

My family also has a 3-generation history with abductions. Mine started in 1960 at age 4, and my mother's started in 1938. I suppose I choose to believe in the ETH, as it's the most credible. The beings which have been using us in their hybrid breeding program, sticking needles in our brains and switching on the clairvoyant faculties with the mindscan procedures sure ain't from around here. The craft seem to be designed for space travel (I have seen them close up. Really.) so it seems a reasonable answer.

Plus the tons and tons of other stuff from tracking vehicles in space to the Hill Star Map, to human history of sky gods, plus the aircraft-hanger sized pile of evidence over 5,000 years makes the ETH seem not just the most credible but the obvious answer to me.

Would I recognize you from the X-Conf? Care to U2U?

Cheers



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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www.eceti.org...



Trout Lake, now internationally known as a UFO hot spot, is located at the base of Mt. Adams.

Dr J. Allen Hynek, Greg Long, Bill Voguel, David Ackers and many other investigators have documented a long history of UFO activity covering events from contacts, sightings of metallic craft and large luminous objects which are inquisitive, follow vehicles and demonstrate themselves to be under intelligent control.

Within these reports were sightings by fire tower operators, forest rangers, and local police. People from all walks of life have, and are continuing to come to witness the ongoing events.

CSETI with Dr Steven Greer, PSI Application with Steve Mareno and two other independent groups were all present when, not one, but four immense triangle ships flew over the Sanctuary along with other brilliant UFOs all of which were filmed by multiple witnesses.


This is interesting, James Gilliland seems to have made a point of mentioning the Greer/CSETI Mount Adams UFO sightings right on his homepage now


Loads and loads of independent witnesses, witnessing spectacular UFOs alongside Dr. Steven Greer, and capturing them on video.... my oh my



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by 987931
I'm trying to clarify what, exactly, you regard as absolute nonsense.


That he is no longer discusses disclosure.


OK, thx.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
ET research getting us nowhere?


That is not true, for example, where do you think that giant leap of electronic technology is coming from.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Those 'ETs' are not as intelligent as everyone claims.


No offence, but that is in my opinion a very naïve assumption.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
With their anti gravity and all it seems a shame not to be friends.


Friends or not, be assured that the blackops already have anti gravity technology.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Well I never did any ET research and the last UFO magazine must
have been still in the 50s.


That’s why you aren’t up to date so to speak.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Well 'their' secrets are still all wrapped up like the Tesla documents the
Illuminati kiss and bow down to every night.


You hid the nail precisely on the head with the wrapped up Tesla documents, but in my opinion it are not in total the Illuminati that kissing and bowing down to every night, but most likely that some of them are connected with those blackops.
Tesla’s brilliant ideas are already in use, no doubt about that.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
And with all the western worlds money and political and government
systems behind them its a snap keep it all hidden.


That has in my opinion nothing to do with the hiding.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I don't thinks its 'ETs' behind it all, its 'Illuminatis'.


Well TeslaandLyne If you think that, then that is really up to you.
The only thing I can say to you is that it isn’t in my opinion.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by bovarcher
The beings which have been using us in their hybrid breeding program, sticking needles in our brains and switching on the clairvoyant faculties with the mindscan procedures sure ain't from around here.


Well the whole hybrid breeding program thing I don't buy into anyway. It's become obvious to me, and should be to most people by now that these beings, whatever they are can effect your perceptions to a high degree. The experience is heavily multi-layered. and perceived by different people in different ways. More often then not you won't hear of the more bizarre aspects, which is where multi-layered experiences are more recognizable.

Speaking only for me, it's clear "they" don't wish us to know exactly what they're doing. Perhaps we're incapable of truly perceiving the enigma in it's truest form, but I think at some point we have to try, and in doing so move past the easy answers. I think at this point it's shown itself to be much more complex then thought of 60 years ago. (Or perhaps much like today we don't get the whole story, but the one that is filtered for public consumption.

Until we get out of that, we'll stagnate in this field like we have been for the past several years.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
See the link in my sig.

We now have an independent witness, James Gilliland, saying that Greer and CSETI vectored in "countless" ships at Gilliland's ranch - and he says he has video footage of it too!

I've encouraged ATS to negotiate with James and try to have a peek at that footage........ to complete and utter silence from the staff.

Go figure?


I'm puzzled as well, my friend. The paranoia is intrusive. Greer = disinfo? Who's next? The mods? They're disnfo agents now too? Who is disinforming the disinformation agents?



[edit on 28-4-2008 by VisionQuest]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 04:31 PM
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Well, I don't know about disinfo agents. Such things are impossible to prove anyway.

Maybe ATS is just nonchalant about the whole thing. They have no incentive to seek out positive evidence for Greer, especially after the ATS Mix diss.

Even if it's very important, paradigm-shifting evidence


Real, telepathic communications and contacts with ET? Who really cares about that anyway?



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Agreed, At the very least it (Gillilland) warrants further investigation. That way, we can all find out the truth and put any rumor-mills to rest once and for all.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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can a mod delete this post please.

I made an error.


Again I do apologize to the mods and members of this forum.

[edit on 28-4-2008 by trilateral]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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Now I ain't saying he's a gold digger, but he's just looking for some more figures.

I doubt he was paid to lie. I believe the 2001 conference is the best thing Greer will ever accomplish. I used to have high hopes for the guy but after reading something about Cosmic Consciousness training sessions I just laugh.

Cosmic Consciousness = knowing that there are things going on outside of our planet ?

Or is it more " now we're gonna concentrate on our eighth chakra point of essence" type consciousness?



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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Absolutely, Gilliland deserves further investigation, regardless of whether Greer and CSETI also vectored in UFOs there or not



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:45 PM
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I think that Greer and Lear.. are on the same path to the loony bin... sorry to say if folks... but cmon... ... they can summon aliens ... and search the planets with there brain waves. ... hmmm.. ok.. yeah.. sure.. uh huh.. why cant they be heros.. and do a little brain search for bin laden.. hell . . that should be a piece of cake... compared to spanning millions of miles through space and looking at the beautiful landscapes on mars and venus.. ... give me a friggin break..



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