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Was Dr. Steven Greer paid to lie...?

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posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:09 AM
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Dr. Greer had the universal mind experience....the mergence with all that is. When you have had that experience your reality is no longer the same as 99.9% of the people...the experience is so overwhelming that you cannot write it off.

He is coming forward with his experiences, that's all. Until his last book came out I could not understand why he would give-up a career such as his, but after finding he had the above mentioned experience it became clear. Your reality and truth is based upon your current perceptions, his experiences are far removed from someone that lives completely in the physical. I have no problems with what he has stated, I've had many experiences myself as well as my children. IMO, this is the same as someone from the 1800's seeing a tv or having a premonition and no one else believing it. The person does not understand it but everyone thinks they are crazy or a liar. I personally despise the people that think these are all dreams or being made up. Many times I have simply shut down discussing anything of this nature because of people's disbelief.

Anyway, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Greer and believe he is altruistic.

Rich




posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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doctormcauley's quote,



It was via this surveillance that it was found that Greer was in fact a closet homosexual. One who frequented gyms and various other known gay hangouts. It wasn't long before the more valuable intelligence began to roll in. Potentially compromising photos, video and audio were all obtained


Greer was by no means stupid. He knew he was being monitored. I find it highly unlikely he was caught in this position.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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You see, Steven Greer Knows All... to his followers at least



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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I feel better knowing some here have heard me, although I turly and sincerely do not need their belief except as the source of my relief of guilt.
I and others have been screaming our heads off trying to educate and clue people in; some have even given their lives or ruined their lives in the process and taen great abuse in the process. I know that I personally have endured people that in the real world would not dare speak a curled word to me. I was never a fan of mankind; it made my job perfect for my job...then I had a couple of children and got involved with normal people and gained some compassion for what I had always thought were mostly bugs, aphids on the rose.

The aliens races that are andf have been here are not here to help humanity; they are here making sure we do not destroy the planet and have been gathering the best to make sure what has taken billions of years to evolve will not be lost. They, like many, want most of mankind to destroy itself to relieve the planet and frankly, so do I. Watching people justify the many evils that are and have been going down, like the treatment of those women and children here in Texas by DPS and the Police in NYC shooting that man 50 times...like defending Bush and denying what really happened on 9-11 and what we have been doing in Iraq. The list is so very very long...this generation is so very corrupted and sick but good people by their natures had to try and we have. I am sleeping so much better this past week. Those that wanted to hear, have heard and are preparing themselves the best they can and in a few days,maybe even tomorrow, I will turn away from here, just like John and many otheres have and will in their own time. John Totor was telling the truth but something intentional or unintentioial was done with the timelines...like him and those of his time, I don't like this generation much and am now in a place where I won't have to watch and listen to you all tear each other apart. Does a tree fall in the woods if no one hears it? Yes, reality does not require your belief. You have all been told..told by people beyond you in many ways...people you are not worthy to shine their shoes and have insulted them..laughed and abused them. WEhat all the smart ****** didn't realize is that it was never about them, it was about us settling our own karma; relieving us of responsibility and guilt and like with John and many others, I too am there. Even Ted Turner has relieved himself, which is ironic since he is a active part of destroying many of you. 500Million is their goal. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear are leaving the cities and getting as far from major populations as possible; are working to become as self sufficent as possible. I need little here. Had the last of our gas and deseil delieverd two days ago...life is good



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by doctormcauley
Steven Greer has indeed been compromised.


Here is how that works, during some decades until now.


Testimony that Explains the Secrecy

Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative

“I became part of a group that would investigate, gather the information, and in the beginning it was still under the Blue Book, Snowbird and different covert programs. I would go interview people who claimed they had seen something and try to convince them they hadn’t seen something or that they were hallucinating. Well, if that didn’t work, another team would come in and give all the threats. And threaten them and their family and so on and so forth. And they would be in charge of discrediting them, making them look foolish and so on and so forth. Now if that didn’t work, then there was another team that put an end to that problem, one way or another.”



Originally posted by doctormcauley
This is why Steven Greer no longer seriously discusses disclosure, refusing to release pertinent data whilst making more and more unrealistic claims based on spirituality and other things that cannot be explained or sourced. He sounds more like a New Age Guru with every passing lecture.


Absolute nonsense, listen to this interview, part one to three.


Date: March 30-31, 2008 - Dr. Steven Greer was interviewed on Coast to Coast AM Radio with Art Bell. He discussed The Orion Project, CSETI and Disclosure Project. Listen to the archived show (mp3 files) - please right click and "Save Target As" to listen offline: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

It’s for free.

www.disclosureproject.org...

www.disclosureproject.org...

www.disclosureproject.org...

www.disclosureproject.com...


Originally posted by doctormcauley
Such 'talks' can only serve to discredit himself and the movement towards disclosure. He no longer holds conferences. It is not his fault, however..


Absolute nonsense, look at this then.


• IIIHS Conference 2008: Dr. Steven Greer will be speaking at this conference scheduled for July 11-20, 2008. Please check the conference web site for more information: www.iiihs.org...


www.disclosureproject.com...


Originally posted by doctormcauley
This poor guy, a healer, was compromised by using his love for his family against him. Persecuted for telling the truth, The American Way.


Absolute nonsense, pure debunker talk.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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Soooo, what you're alluding to is the gay alien agenda? Aliens are sexual deviates? That's not exactly the kind of (X-rated) disclosure we were hoping for.

It's my understanding that some aliens are hermaphrodites anyway. Even the bible originally defines Adam and Eve as male and female.......he made them both. Maybe we misinterpreted the meaning?

Besides, many would find that particular excuse for him changing his mind about disclosure; highly unlikely. Unless, it involved something illegal they could put him in prison over. It would probably be easy for them to come up with false but very incriminating evidence against him.


"We have ways of making you (not) talk."



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor
Hi jritzmann, would you be so kind to name some of those claims, so I know what you mean?
Thanks in advance.


Sure-

That he had photos of an alien baby, that he said had a 4 plate cranium - he said how cute it was with a twinkle in his eye. But he "couldn't get into it more then that)

That he was responsible for some major sightings by virtue of his "vectoring" horsesh**t. (Jeremy Vaeni of Culture of Contact actually has audio of the talk)

That abductees are not being abducted by aliens, but by mechanical men fabricated by the govt. However, HE is in contact with the real aliens.

That he injured himself, then went on a 200 mile bike ride which infected his injury so badly his "pee was like root beer". He then biked 200 miles back and was consequently healed by aliens...Oh, after a near death experience. Of course being healed spontaneously by aliens there's no hospital records to verify it.

That he was working with a EU nation on disclosure (which he couldn't name, nor talk about...but of course he brings it up on the table.)

That his organization has debris from a down alien craft - which was being analyzed, but he couldn't talk more about it.

I could go on, but suffice it to say he came off with more crap then a hardware store on a manure sale day. Wild claims with no verification, and coupled with a cloak and dagger stance.

In my opinion he's one of the biggest bull***ers this field has ever seen. I heard him with my own ears and saw him say it with my own eyes. Thats all I need.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Thanks for your answer and opinion.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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Thanks jritzmann and spacevisitor.

Honest.. not knowing that much about Greer or Billy Meier ( I don't want to get
off on that again) but I've been switching on the two all after noon.

I thought that was a BM.

If there was a Illuminati play book used on BM it sounds revised for Greer.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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I saw him at the X-Conference last year, and he was absolutely ridiculous. He made more wild claims then you could shake a stick at...it was all I could do to keep from walking out. ...I don't give him that much credit. I just think he's full of it, and a major opportunist.


If you were at the 2008 event last week, you would know that Greer was conspicuously not invited. Greer has stepped over the edge, and has gone beyond being controversial into

'on-no-account-associate-yourself-with-this-man-if-you-want-to-survive' territory.

Steve Bassett is a shrewd political operator, knows who carries credibility and who doesn't. Apollo 14 Astronaut Edgar Mitchell gave the keynote this year. Brilliant, awesome, inspiring: a man with credentials as long as your arm, who KNOWS ET is here. John Alexander, Scott Jones, Richard Dolan, Jesse Marcel, Grant Cameron et al all deal in hard research and everything they claim checks out. With Politicians like Paul Hellyer and media types like Cheryl Jones and George Noory, Bassett is assembling quite a team and is on the right track. He also knows the Washington political scene and spends his days inside Congress as the first and so far only accredited Congressional lobbyist for the ET disclosure issue.

A pity about Greer, because the original disclosure project brought together a lot of credible testimony from credible people. Unfortunately to most people now, he is beyond the pail. If you were building a serious movement to force disclosure now, you would not want Greer to be associated with you.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by bovarcher
Steve Bassett is a shrewd political operator, knows who carries credibility and who doesn't.


Well, if you were there, as I was, you know Bassett made the unequivocal statement that the enigma is without question, "confirmed" extraterrestrial...during the end of the panel lecture. I nearly fell out of my seat.

That kind of blanket statement can earn you the title of Greer-esque real quick.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by LateApexer313
Editing here to add, if I could call down alien beings in alien crafts at will with my thoughts, I'd be doing it 24/7 and inviting any and all who wanted to show up, with NO charge.


Like James Gilliland does?


Uh oh, guess I'd better google James Gilliland, I have no clue who that is

Ok, googled...hmmm.

What's this about a video that you wanted ATS to try to get on the site? Is it one of Greer's videos? I just had to read the last two pages of this thread and thought you made mention of something like that...



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 11:48 PM
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Exactly and great post spacevisitor!!

How ridiculous to claim that he's been threatened and is no longer talking due to the danger to him and his family.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 12:52 AM
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I think I agree with most here. I listened to that interview on C2C and I remember thinking how weird it was to here him say such things. But, how weird is it to hear Clifford Stone say when he got out of the military in 87 or 88 they had catergorized over 57 different species of aliens. Gordon Cooper saying he had video of a UFO landing in a dry lake bed while filming a documentary on our own aircraft. Walter G. Haut is another fantastic story of disinformation then the affidavit that he wrote and that was released upon his death with nothing for him to gain but to tell the truth. My point is I believe that saying such things did not seem to be of any help to DR. Greer. He was different that 2001 I agree. If what he was saying was true he would be a hypocrite to keep it to himself. I also believe that some of the people there may not want to tell everyone. Maybe there is evidence of this and he has it...We do not know. It could also be that something did happen to him and he is not the same Dr. Greer (take that however you want). This man and more importantly the witnesses came forward and put it all on the line in more ways than one. I am just not sure we can be critical of their actions because last I looked there was no "Idiots Guide to Full World Disclosure of ET, UFOs, and Government Cover-up." I think getting all your eggs in one basket and then counting them is smart. Once there is no way to deny all the evidence they have it will come out. I know it seems like they should have enough but we have seen a lot of it and so could most of the world thanks to the internet. How much coverage did the Press Club conference get? We who believe saw it and I am sure a few others. I would think just what was said at that conference should have been enough to sway some and bring further investigation from our government...that did not happen. It will take, I believe, more than just that testimony and data for most to even ponder the idea. I think if the disclosure project is able to get befriend a G8 country and that countries government comes forward with them that will be enough. Until then lets believe in the ones who are making the push after all all of those Disclosure witnesses believed in him and us.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by jritzmann

Originally posted by bovarcher
Steve Bassett is a shrewd political operator, knows who carries credibility and who doesn't.


Well, if you were there, as I was, you know Bassett made the unequivocal statement that the enigma is without question, "confirmed" extraterrestrial...during the end of the panel lecture. I nearly fell out of my seat.

That kind of blanket statement can earn you the title of Greer-esque real quick.


I really don’t understand why you nearly fell out your seat by that statement, because what he said is nothing more then the truth.
And if that isn’t so for you, what is it according to you then may I ask?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor
I really don’t understand why you nearly fell out your seat by that statement, because what he said is nothing more then the truth.
And if that isn’t so for you, what is it according to you then may I ask?


Well then, if you can concretely and firmly say it's extraterrestrial in nature, then you've done what no man nor woman has accomplished in this field since it's modern inception. So, you have your proof of this right?

Oh, ok, you don't then.

The point here is we don't know enough to say what the origin is. Is there a legitimate phenomena? Well I'd say yes, although some may disagree. Do we know the origin? Absolutely not. It could be ETs, but it could also be extra-dimensional, or time travel, spiritual manifestations, collective conscious manifestations, or some other instance or scenario we cannot even begin to comprehend.

Thats why it's called the Extraterrestrial *hypothesis*. To state it as fact is about as irresponsible as you can get. I mean one has to question the idea of setting up a whole structure of "disclosure" in the way of contact with ETs when we don't conclusively know the source. I don't fault Steve Bassett for what he's doing, I think it's great...if it turns out to be ET. If not, it presents an entirely new and different scenario of potential issues that aren't accounted for.

I have to remind people constantly that everyone seems to want disclosure, but they don't really know what they're asking for. I always get a blank look when I ask, "what if disclosure isn't what you want it to be?"

The way I look at it, Bassett is doing *something* about the issue of UFOs and disclosure, which is better then nothing. But making statements as fact (as emphatically as he did) when we simply don't know for sure, is simply not right.

I'm sure there's a lot of potential avenues of possibilities we haven't even considered yet. There's also the idea that we not be dealing with *one* answer.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by jritzmann

Originally posted by spacevisitor
I really don’t understand why you nearly fell out your seat by that statement, because what he said is nothing more then the truth.
And if that isn’t so for you, what is it according to you then may I ask?

Well then, if you can concretely and firmly say it's extraterrestrial in nature, then you've done what no man nor woman has accomplished in this field since it's modern inception. So, you have your proof of this right?

Oh, ok, you don't then.


I don’t understand your last remark, but here is my answer and personal opinion, nothing more.

This opinion is based on a 36 years study of available evidence of this phenomenon such as the provided information from many investigators, and reading, listen, seeing lots of books, magazines, interviews, pictures, videos, NASA material and very important witness testimonies.One personal sighting and one of my grandpa in WWII.

There is already enough evidence in all sorts available that confirms or proof that some part of it is of extraterrestrial nature.
And don’t ask me as so many people do to provide or show you a peace of a craft or such, or better an Alien, because I assume that you undoubtedly know, that the so called real “hard” evidence is in the hands of the Black ops.
I don’t know what you see or read of that available evidence so far, but if your opinion is that that is absolute no convincing evidence for that claim above, then that is entirely up to you of course.
For most people it definitely isn’t evidence at all.


Originally posted by jritzmann
It could be ETs, but it could also be extra-dimensional, or time travel, spiritual manifestations, collective conscious manifestations, or some other instance or scenario we cannot even begin to comprehend.


For as far I know now and what I make out of all the available evidence so far are the claimed origins of many reliable witnesses, ETs, extra-dimensional, time travellers.


Originally posted by jritzmann
I have to remind people constantly that everyone seems to want disclosure, but they don't really know what they're asking for. I always get a blank look when I ask, "what if disclosure isn't what you want it to be?"


I agree 100% with your saying here, but that doesn’t matter because disclosure is in my opinion inevitable, and it is already in a way ongoing.


Originally posted by jritzmann
The way I look at it, Bassett is doing *something* about the issue of UFOs and disclosure, which is better then nothing. But making statements as fact (as emphatically as he did) when we simply don't know for sure, is simply not right.


I don’t agree with that.


[edit on 27/4/08 by spacevisitor]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by doctormcauley
This is why Steven Greer no longer seriously discusses disclosure, refusing to release pertinent data whilst making more and more unrealistic claims based on spirituality and other things that cannot be explained or sourced. He sounds more like a New Age Guru with every passing lecture.


by spacevisitor
Absolute nonsense, listen to this interview, part one to three.


I haven't been keeping up with recent interviews. Are you saying Greer is not making claims based on spirituality and things that cannot be explained or sourced?

I see on the disclosure project site, a linke to Cosmic consciousness: a course in advanced mantra meditation. I used to subscribe to buddhism, and even I find this very offputting. I agree with other posters that, no matter what his beliefs etc., best to stick to verifiable testimony and documents.

[edit on 27-4-2008 by 987931]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by 987931

by spacevisitor
Absolute nonsense, listen to this interview, part one to three.


I haven't been keeping up with recent interviews. Are you saying Greer is not making claims based on spirituality and things that cannot be explained or sourced?


No, I am not saying Greer is not making claims based on spirituality and things that cannot be explained or sourced?
Why do you ask?



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by 987931

by spacevisitor
Absolute nonsense, listen to this interview, part one to three.


I haven't been keeping up with recent interviews. Are you saying Greer is not making claims based on spirituality and things that cannot be explained or sourced?


No, I am not saying Greer is not making claims based on spirituality and things that cannot be explained or sourced?
Why do you ask?


Above doctormcauley said:

This is why Steven Greer no longer seriously discusses disclosure, refusing to release pertinent data whilst making more and more unrealistic claims based on spirituality and other things that cannot be explained or sourced. He sounds more like a New Age Guru with every passing lecture.

You replied:
Absolute nonsense, listen to this interview, part one to three.


I'm trying to clarify what, exactly, you regard as absolute nonsense.



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