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Was Dr. Steven Greer paid to lie...?

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:22 AM
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Now, I know this *might* sound like a ridiculous claim but please bare with me here. I just can't come to any other conclusions. Also, keep in mind, I don't have any proof or facts to back this theory up, but here is what I think.

Back in 2001, when the Disclosure Project press conference first took place, Dr. Greer spoke with an amazing sense of logic and objectiveness on a subject which he felt extremely passionate about. He even quit his job to peruse this subject full time.

During the press conference, Dr.Greer had multiple witnesses, all of which were very credible people. They all backed up what he was saying perfectly. Also, all of them were prepared to go testify their stories under oath to congress, which was another big bonus.

It seemed to me, at least, that Dr. Greer presented himself and addressed the audience as a genuine person. He spoke under a tone which suggested that he UNDERSTOOD the need to present his information in a logical and rational manner, based on facts and evidence. He knew that if he ever came across as a "Loony", people wouldn't take him or his project for disclosure seriously.

I'm sure everyone here knows what I mean by this. In 2001, he was sticking to the facts and nothing else.

Now, of course, fast forward 7 years later, and what do we have? This whole thing has literally taken a 180 degree turn. Mr Greer no longer knows the meaning of staying objective. It's almost like he no longer has an agenda that he's willing to push forward.

For example, last month, in March, I heard him on the Coast to Coast am radio show and he was saying very outlandish and illogical things. The statements he made were very discrediting of his entire previous work. The things he was saying called into question his credibility and even SANITY, I thought.

Like, how he and another group of people would all gather up in the mountains and call down aliens from the skies though "consciousness".


It was some very hard pills to swallow and I couldn't even begin to believe that this was the same Steven Greer I was listening to. It was very disheartening.

Whether you believe this to be true or not (I sure as hell don't) is totally irrelevant. The fact is, in the eyes in of the general population (which is extremely skeptical of UFO's and Aliens to begin with) he doesn't have much legs to stand on after making statements like that.

Not to mention, in most of his irrational stories, there is never ANYONE BUT HIMSELF to back those claims up, either.

Then, there's the bunch of other questions that comes into play which remain unanswered. Such as, if indeed, he did call down alien spaceships (lol) - then why didn't he or the many other of his supposed followers record this whole incident? According to Greer, this is an exercise that he and his crew do over and over again. If they are capable of doing this then why didn't they alert the media to come film this event to put an end to this debate once and for all? Why didn't they take simple pictures? etc etc.

This goes hand in hand with that he's (apparently) trying to do, get disclosure. Does it not?

Either way, it just doesn't add up.

Unfortunately, he has also taken every one of those witnesses (which I believe to be credible) and made a fool out of them. He has taken everyone into la la land with him.

Now, I think either 2 things had to happen.

1) All of this publicity and fame (or whatever you want to call it) finally got to his head and he started losing objectivity and going on these wild goose-chases
2) He was offered a large sum of money by people within the government/military to literally take this whole thing and swing it back around on itself, so that basically everyone would shut up about it.

I'm curious as to what my fellow ATS'ers think on what happened because something obviously did. I think we can all agree that this is NOT the same Greer that was on a mission back in 2001.

[edit on 25-4-2008 by N3V3RM1ND]




posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:46 AM
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I just remembered where the Igore button is; what a relief.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:57 AM
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Well I doubt he was paid off, he’s ambition to get the truth out even before the 2001 event was very determined. He’s life was probably threatened which is why he’s making these claims to downplay his credibility. He also claims his “mother's brother, was a senior project engineer at Grumman that designed the lunar module” he “briefed Clinton's first CIA director, James Woolsey” and currently possesses radar tapes that show a “UFO moving around a 747 over the skies of Alaska.”



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 04:41 AM
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If anyone here, is in the intelligence services, maybe you could get him mind raped, to find out what he thinks and what he sees.

Anyone here, willing to do that from the intelligence services, lol.

Thats the only way you will find out the truth, about him and his ufo sightings.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
Now, I know this *might* sound like a ridiculous claim but please bare with me here. I just can't come to any other conclusions. Also, keep in mind, I don't have any proof or facts to back this theory up, but here is what I think.


Seems to me quite a reasonable hypotheis, though as you acknowledge, there is no way to know. I certainly cringe when I see the consciousness bs, which means it 'works' in my case. And I'm the kind of person such tactics would be aimed at.

If we assume Greer needed to be sufficiently determined and tactical to pull of getting a large-scale testimony without being terminated, though safety in numbers, then it would stand to reason that all kinds of tactics would be used to discredit without falling into the very trap he "set" through those tactics.

Whatever the reasons, it does seem to me like a terrible betrayal of the witnesses, though I wouldn't presume to judge without knowing counter-tactics.

Thoughtful and stimulating post for me at least, thanks.




[edit on 25-4-2008 by 987931]



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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I attended a talk by Greer in Toronto and met him briefly. He came off as sane and serious, though a little aloof. He had me convinced.

Now things are looney-tunes. Yes, there was a tipping point, and I've been wondering what brought it on.

Edit to say that maybe things are just as weird as all that, and we simply have trouble getting our earthly little heads around it.



[edit on 25-4-2008 by JohnnyCanuck]



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Greer could not continue being fed Illuminati lies.

There is just so much Disney that one can stand.

Live by Illuminati standards or leave.

Or die in some cases.

Simple.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Thanks a lot for your responses everyone, I really appreciate it. Very interesting to see what your thoughts are on what happened. =)

The main "reason" why this thought occurred to me, was because when I was listening to Dr. Greer speak about "The Orion Project", he mentioned several times, and had a strong emphasis on saying; "No amount of money would keep me from disclosing these technologies and getting them out in the open". For some reason, I just couldn't bring myself to believe him, and wondered if this was the exact opposite that had happened in the past with the Disclosure project.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
It seemed to me, at least, that Dr. Greer presented himself and addressed the audience as a genuine person.


Hi N3V3RM1ND, he did, and he still is a genuine person in my opinion.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
It's almost like he no longer has an agenda that he's willing to push forward.


He is pushing his agenda forward as much as he can, but that isn’t easy at all, in fact it is like David fighting Goliath. You must understand/know that those people who control this whole Extraterrestrial matter sabotage such pushing’s as much as they can and as long as they can, and don’t forget that they are extremely powerful.
But there is hope, because the people in that group are becoming more and more divided between each other.
There are two camps now; those who want still keep it secret and those who want it in the open now, so there is progress but in very small steps.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
It was some very hard pills to swallow and I couldn't even begin to believe that this was the same Steven Greer I was listening to. It was very disheartening.


That is your personal impression of course and I can’t change that, but I only can advice you to give him the benefit of the doubt.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
Whether you believe this to be true or not (I sure as hell don't) is totally irrelevant. The fact is, in the eyes in of the general population (which is extremely skeptical of UFO's and Aliens to begin with) he doesn't have much legs to stand on after making statements like that.
Not to mention, in most of his irrational stories, there is never ANYONE BUT HIMSELF to back those claims up, either.


Your wrong, DR. TED LODER was there with him on one occasion and saw it with his own eyes too, together with five to six other people.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
If they are capable of doing this then why didn't they alert the media to come film this event to put an end to this debate once and for all? Why didn't they take simple pictures? etc etc.


What is the use of alert the media for that, because where was the big media after the National Press Club meeting in Washington DC on May 9th, 2001? NOWHERE. And the reason for that is that the big media isn’t a free media anymore.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
Now, I think either 2 things had to happen.

1) All of this publicity and fame (or whatever you want to call it) finally got to his head and he started losing objectivity and going on these wild goose-chases

2) He was offered a large sum of money by people within the government/military to literally take this whole thing and swing it back around on itself, so that basically everyone would shut up about it.


Those two things that must have happened with him in your view look more on the views of a debunker, but I give you in this case the benefit of the doubt.


Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
I think we can all agree that this is NOT the same Greer that was on a mission back in 2001.


You can speak for yourself of course but you can’t speak not for me.
So I fully disagree with you.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by N3V3RM1ND
I'm curious as to what my fellow ATS'ers think on what happened because something obviously did. I think we can all agree that this is NOT the same Greer that was on a mission back in 2001.
[edit on 25-4-2008 by N3V3RM1ND]


No, he's always been this way. I think he's just been more forward (or more nutty) in recent years. I saw him at the X-Conference last year, and he was absolutely ridiculous. He made more wild claims then you could shake a stick at...it was all I could do to keep from walking out.

C'mon people, all ya need do is look at the NDE and 800.00 price tag of one of his "galactic diplomat" training gigs. He's a joke.

Intentional disinfo? Who knows. I don't give him that much credit. I just think he's full of it, and a major opportunist.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:23 PM
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See the link in my sig.

We now have an independent witness, James Gilliland, saying that Greer and CSETI vectored in "countless" ships at Gilliland's ranch - and he says he has video footage of it too!

I've encouraged ATS to negotiate with James and try to have a peek at that footage........ to complete and utter silence from the staff.

Go figure?



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by jritzmann
C'mon people, all ya need do is look at the NDE and 800.00 price tag of one of his "galactic diplomat" training gigs. He's a joke.


I was told by the CSETI coordinator that the main purpose of the CSETI Non-Disclosure Agreement is to protect the identities of the trainees.

Some of them are doctors, lawyers, pilots, professors, politicians, things like that; and they don't necessarily want the whole world knowing that they're into summoning aliens with telepathy



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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That has to be a waste of our taxes, no wonder.
And congress supports this endeavor.

This should be reported to... yeah sure they are.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 09:48 PM
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Umm..... what?

What is a waste of our taxes?

Congress supports.... what?

This should be reported to.... who?

Who are "they", and "they" are.... what?

Try to make a coherent post every once in awhile, TeslaLyne.... I know that's asking a lot, but maybe people would really start to get where you're coming from



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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I don't know the answer to your original question N3V3RM1ND,

I've read this thread, and other threads about Dr. Greer...bought his DVD of testimony, and all I can say is my opinion, which is...

I just think... what would *I* do, if I were him...and I had gathered all the credible witnesses that he has, whatever actual proof THEY have...and I was able to meet with foreign cabinets, (he says), and congress members behind the scenes, heads of state, briefing ex CIA directors etc...

And if I COULD as he says he can, call down entities in alien craft, strictly through thought...and all of this were true...and my sole motivation was disclosure as he states, and not to make money or turn it into a completely greed-oriented venture...I'd be posting a fraction of the best evidence on ALL sites like this, with MUFON, with ANYONE, who would accept it.

But that's just what I would do.

I have mixed feelings about Greer, he organized a great panel of witnesses, managed to get a press conference, but other then that, it's more of the same....all talk no action, at least, what WE hear anyway...if there are things we don't know about going on behind the scenes, that's all well and good, but in the mean time, what's wrong with throwing the people that already believe a bone? I find it hard to reconcile his stance on that without suspecting him of other motivations.

My 2 cents.



Editing here to add, if I could call down alien beings in alien crafts at will with my thoughts, I'd be doing it 24/7 and inviting any and all who wanted to show up, with NO charge.

[edit on 25-4-2008 by LateApexer313]



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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I seem to remember late last year and i think it was reported here on ATS, he made a claim that his life had been threatened and people close to him, if my mind serves me right when asked about the effect it has had on him all he would say was that it was being dealt with?

Does anyone else remember this? i cant seem to find the thread, (tired and in pain) if someone remembers it can you post a link please? im sorry i cant find it myself i just can't concentrate.

Anyhow if this was true it would be enough to make most people change direction esp if it was his family who where under threat, i dont know who he said made the threats i think he skirted around the question, but im almost 100% sure it was documented when he said it.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by LateApexer313
Editing here to add, if I could call down alien beings in alien crafts at will with my thoughts, I'd be doing it 24/7 and inviting any and all who wanted to show up, with NO charge.


Like James Gilliland does?



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 10:46 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me either way, if his life had been threatened, or he was just claiming it had been...no I don't remember that thread sorry...

Either way, surely with 200 + witnesses willing to swear under oath, that some claim to have documented evidence...and with him saying he can call down alien entities on command...where's the proof? He claims to have it, and won't share ONE piece? Not logical in my opinion...especially someone who's so gungho on Disclosure...



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Let's say that Dr. Steven Greer wasn't known around the country...world...etc...

And he just posted on this site, ATS...

and said "I have proof, 200+ ex military, industrial complex witnesses, with their credentials, and their documentation, and their eye witness testimony and their evidence....and I can call down alien craft at will, but you will all have to pay to see this, and I will not produce one scrap of evidence to verify any of this thread...except the witnesses names, and you can't look at any of the documented proof, but this is my story and I am sticking to it."

How many pages would it go on before it was labeled "Hoax" by the totally competent, analyzing, intelligent minds here on ATS? I am guessing it wouldn't make it past 4 pages.

Just food for thought.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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This is a very good question. Could he be counter intelligence himself? I mean this was very well organized. I still like the Disclosure Project. I think the goal is a good one, and worth pursuing.But Greer needs to step down. This is the problem with UFO Research, it's filled with people who are

Sick(Mentally)
Mistaken(By alternate explanation or direct evidence or proof)
Simply lying to get attention.
Spreading disinformation purposefully.

I support the Disclosure Project But not Greer. It's very hard to separate the two and for that reason Greer needs to hand it over to someone with competence. But that could have been done already had he been threatened. But he wasn't. Even though he most certainly is a big target. Which leads me to wonder if this is a subversive propaganda operation. Thing is, it looks as though the game that MAY have been orchestrated was designed to discredit not just the UFO Disclosure effort, but the many witnesses he's gathered over time. Clifford Stone being one of them. Makes me wonder what's up.




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