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Hoodwinked at Shanksville: Fairy Tail

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Why would the imprint be outside the crater outline?

Why couldn't the imprint have been obliterated by the crater?

Why wouldn't it??? The vertical tail extends about 20ft above the fuselage.



I have no idea what you are taking about in your 2nd question.




posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by im_being_censored

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Why would the imprint be outside the crater outline?

Why couldn't the imprint have been obliterated by the crater?


Why wouldn't it??? The vertical tail extends about 20ft above the fuselage.

I have no idea what you are taking about in your 2nd question.




Yes, the vert stab is 20 ft higher than the fuselage. The fuselage is 12'. The stab is 20'. The crater is 40'+. It all fits in there fine.

Therefore, any imprint from the stab would be INSIDE the crater, or erased by the impact/upheave of the soil.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Dbl post


[edit on 29-4-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
So "Flight 93"(as we know it) DID NOT crash in shanskville on 9/11.


Correct.

A crash would imply it was accidental. This was not.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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One post above says that debris somehow bounced 1.4 miles from the site!! Can you believe that? That is typical of a person who believes the official lie. If they can accept that debris from a plane crash could somehow get 1.4 MILES away, will believe anything. There is NO way that we see any major parts, either engines or craft, nor LUGGAGE nor clothes..I always ask the drones about luggage: At NONE of the ' crash ' sites do we see ANY luggage. Pentagon: Not one suitcase. Penn., not one suitcase.

Nothing recognizable..and never confirmed. The first time in aviation history that no real effort was made to reconstruct the events and planes, etc. No parts lists matching serial numbers..That fact alone, with nothing else, screams out for attention. Why would the FBI refuse to discuss serial numbers and refuse to address the fact that we have never been shown a list where someone matched the serial numbers of the planes to parts found at the scenes? That would be fast and common. Buit in this case, nothing. Just denial of FOIA requests.

The only people who can see a plane at Penn. or the Pentagon are those who want to, for some reason. They have to. There is no other way, as too much evidence exists to shred the official story totally. Only the uninformed and uneducated could possible still believe the official story...or those who suport the perps politically or are paid to support them. What other reason coiuld there be? There is no proof to back up the official lie, just inuendo and rumor and claims that fly in the face of the facts. No other event in history has ever been treated like this one..total control and denial and secrecy slapped in the face of the people and a cowed and complacent public and senate fearful of the lies.

The Neocon / Mossad/PNAC plans are going great, full steam, and they have profited wonderfully from murder and treason, knwing they control all the bases. Crime does pay, at the highest levels..where Supreme Court justices are mere pawns and lackeys to the elite interests. We are done for..America is finished, and it sickens the soul and mind to realize how many people out there are clueless, just like Matrix battery people, dreaming all the TV dreams while the plans are laid out for their extinction. God help us.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana

A c-130 can be used to deploy, control the cruise missile and or drop debris to simulate a real crash site. ( all part of the exercise)



What debis?

I thought you've been claiming there wasn't any debris?

So why are you bringing this up?

Are you covering your tracks?

Have you changed your mind?

Just asking questions here.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Seymour Butz

Originally posted by IvanZana

A c-130 can be used to deploy, control the cruise missile and or drop debris to simulate a real crash site. ( all part of the exercise)



What debis?

I thought you've been claiming there wasn't any debris?

So why are you bringing this up?

Are you covering your tracks?

Have you changed your mind?

Just asking questions here.


Gee for a guy who is totally new here as for you registered yesterday it is quite OBVIOUS someone who is ignorant and has not viewed this thread.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Seymour Butz

Originally posted by IvanZana

A c-130 can be used to deploy, control the cruise missile and or drop debris to simulate a real crash site. ( all part of the exercise)



What debis?

I thought you've been claiming there wasn't any debris?

So why are you bringing this up?

Are you covering your tracks?

Have you changed your mind?

Just asking questions here.


Gee for a guy who is totally new here as for you registered yesterday it is quite OBVIOUS your someone who is ignorant to the fact and has not viewed this thread.



[edit on 29-4-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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So if there is no imprints of wings or stabililzers, then all thats left is a big missile/bomb crater.



RIght?

[edit on 29-4-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana

Gee for a guy who is totally new here as for you registered yesterday it is quite OBVIOUS your someone who is ignorant to the fact and has not viewed this thread.



No answer. Right.

Because there is total proof of a plane being flown into the ground. Debris. Witnesses. Radar tracks. Phone calls. Flight recorders. DNA.

Total proof.

BTW, it should be you're, not your.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Yes, the vert stab is 20 ft higher than the fuselage. The fuselage is 12'. The stab is 20'. The crater is 40'+. It all fits in there fine.

Therefore, any imprint from the stab would be INSIDE the crater, or erased by the impact/upheave of the soil.

Um, er, OK. So what caused that impression in the ground that is the shape of a 757's vertical tail and just about where Flight 93's would have hit?



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by im_being_censored

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Yes, the vert stab is 20 ft higher than the fuselage. The fuselage is 12'. The stab is 20'. The crater is 40'+. It all fits in there fine.

Therefore, any imprint from the stab would be INSIDE the crater, or erased by the impact/upheave of the soil.

Um, er, OK. So what caused that impression in the ground that is the shape of a 757's vertical tail and just about where Flight 93's would have hit?


Mabey weathering, or from a dragline which can be seen in some pictures.

The "scars" that look like it could of been caused by the wings arent even claimed to be caused by the wings officially.

Actually there is no official or realistic presentation of the crash site of "flight 93".



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Mabey weathering, or from a dragline which can be seen in some pictures.

Or maybe by these guys:



From about 12pm to 6pm, they were the only ones directly at the crater.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by im_being_censored

Originally posted by IvanZana
Mabey weathering, or from a dragline which can be seen in some pictures.

Or maybe by these guys:



From about 12pm to 6pm, they were the only ones directly at the crater.




As you can see that there is no evidence that a Commercial Airliner crashed in Shanksville on 911. No Vertticle Stabilizer scar, no wing scar, nothing but a 10x30ft, 6ft deep bomb crater.



[edit on 30-4-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Well, we can see that the usual suspects cannot disprove the fact that 93 was flown into the ground at Shanksville.

They cannot disprove -
a-radar track evidence
b-phone call evidence
c- DNA evidence
d- flight recorder evidence
e- eyewitness evidence


That's it folks, it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. No one could ever doubt it.

Flight 93 was flown into the ground by Islamist terrorists.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 10:52 AM
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No plane crashed in Shanksville on 911.

The Shankville crater site was to be the site of a mock hijacking, crash simulation.

The crater was caused by cruise missile or bomb.



As you can see that there is no evidence that a Commercial Airliner crashed in Shanksville on 911. No Vertticle Stabilizer scar, no wing scar, nothing but a 10x30ft, 6ft deep bomb crater.


The official story concerning Flight 93 has been official debunked. It is a matter of time before we start hanging the perps and the people who LIE for them.



[edit on 30-4-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 10:59 AM
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a-radar track evidence - Busted, does not corroberate with eyewitnesses
b-phone call evidence - Possibly just calls from Flight 1989
c- DNA evidence - None found. Planted or simulated.
d- flight recorder evidence- Busted by Pilots for 911 truth.
e- eyewitness evidence - They saw a small wingless missile, c-130, fighter jet, and a corperate jet. (war games)


That's it folks, it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that no plane crashed in Shanksville on 911.

 

Off-topic comments removed

[edit on 30-4-2008 by dbates]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
no plane crashed in Shanksville on 911.

Well, there is this pesky thing calle evidence. Did you ever see the Moussaoui trial exhibits and documents. Go ahead look. There are photos of bodies in the Pentagon, airplane parts in the Shanksville crash. Lots of stuff although I'm sure we'll never see it all.

So here are some photos that might interest you. Aircraft engine parts, window frame-work, exterior panel pieces, the flight recorder.









All this evidence was used in a federal trial.

[edit on 30-4-2008 by dbates]



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
One post above says that debris somehow bounced 1.4 miles from the site!!


No. Bovarcher said this: "The debris you refer to, lightweight items from the aircraft interior blown there by the wind, was 1.4 miles away from the impact site."

Blown. Not bounced.

The idea that Flight 93 didn't crash there is beyond absurd. I wonder how else they could have gotten all those plane parts and DNA evidence from a plane and dozens of people who had just taken off less than an hour and a half earlier.

www.post-gazette.com...

Let me guess, Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller is in on it, too, right?

[edit on 30-4-2008 by ClashWho]

[edit on 30-4-2008 by ClashWho]



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