reply to post by InfaRedMan
I can't agree about the mass production side of your thought proccess, I think it assumes that the elite are upfront and open, I think power over
others is the goal, not monitary gain, at the highest levels, and keeping this stuff secret is way more power than any amount of money could ever
bring, don't you think? Besides thinking the elite of the world need money is not taking into account, almost every human being, and certinly every
country in the world is in debt to a very few people at the top who hold all the wealth. Nope, money they got, all of it infact, now they want the
Besides THAT grav drive is also known as time drive, and blackhole drive, what do you think something like that could do in the wrong hands (from
thier point of view anyway) if they let the secret out everyone will want one, and every joe-shmoe taliban will be trying to swallow our solar system
in the universe's newest quasar/black hole. Alternatly, imagine what you could do to history with a time drive, like makeing sure the elite never get
born to desire the enslavement of all of humanity, no too dangerous for us peeons to have, we might climb off our tractors and learn something they
I do agree with you about WHY aliens might be here though, the borg might realize they aren't gathering enough data on art, love, and how fresh
cookies make you feel, and think they can extract the proper data from us or Betty Crocker, or that elusive Doe Boy, thier sensors can't seem to
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
Not a threat? I wonder how many other species in the galaxy (much less the universe) went from barely making fire to nukes in such a short span?
What makes you assume they ignore us? Because they won't call YOU up and land by your house, or do interviews with Larry King, they are ignoreing US?
If they are here at all it shows an intence intrest, considering all the other places they could be in, in the big bad galaxy. Empire expansion
causeing collapse could be entirely a human condition, the borg might have no limitaions. Such small boxes you put them in.
You mis-understand Einstien to think "resources" would be a problem for a space fairing people. E=Mc2 MEANS energy equals mass, they are
interchangeable. With even hot fusion comes enough energy to make any element you could ever need in almost limitless quanities. But maybe resourses
refers to, like above, emotions, but then why would they need fresh suplies? Why would they need those more than once? Not like I have the answers,
but I know those aren't the questions either. Not to be too harsh on you either, I have been there in my mental process as well.
reply to post by Mondogiwa
That you are not trying to desuade others is a relief, I can identify with the need for a good mental work out. Warning: mental gymnastics ahead!
When you look at how life clings to every possible crevise here on earth in a poisonus atmo (O2 is corrosive, nitro is hard on biology) and worse, on
volcanic vents with zero sunlight, you begin to realize all life needs is an energy source. Mars is most likely crawling so thick they limit rover
pics and up time to hide the critters walking by all day, and I can't imagine many other planets/moons in our own system that aren't crawling as
well, even pluto and mercury. So compare THAT to the 300-400 billion stars in our own galaxy and the hundreds of billions of galaxies out in just THIS
universe, then consider the multi-verse with infinite universes, and the thought of intelligent life NOT being here from other places begins to seem
like a long shot, to me anyway, but I'm kinda wierd I geuss.
And the jump from scrapeing nukes together to grav-drive filling the skies is not on a natural curve by any stretch of the numbers. The nazis were
working on grav drive instead of nukes (nazi bell experiments) so maybe not, but I think they had some help there, its just too bizare (even for
methed-out nazis) to have messed with Newton so hard core all the way back then, and grav drive takes a total re-write of Newton's laws. Einstien
(greatest German/Jewish mind of the time) couldn't even accept quantum physics, how could closed minded nazis think so far outside thier mental
boxes? For Hitler's dence but loyal minions to have found the needle in Newton's giant hay stack is a bigger stretch for me than Aliens getting
involved, considering what thier numbers must be. Also look at the huge loss of science brain power thier hatred of the Jews got them at the start,
and yet they were nearly ahead of us in most technologies by war's end?
Nope, no sir, I don't like it. I might be nutz but its too far a stretch for my feeble mind. But with the disclaimer that of course anything is
possible, its just not very probable. Can you eplain all UFOs and abductions and sightings and pictures, and 1st had testimonies as Earth bound
tactical craft? Of course, its done here everyday, but is it probable? Well that takes a more complicated version of the Drake equation than we have