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Originally posted by LLoyd45
We are nothing more than sentient, thinking animals. That's what makes us more violent and brutal than any tiger or lion ever could be. We have the capacity for cruelty, which they fortunately don't possess.
As for eating humans, I'm not much for long pig, but there may come a day when people may resort to it out of desperation and pure unadulterated hunger. Self-preservation is a powerful instinct in our species.
By the way guys.. Plants are living things as well. How do you know they don't suffer or feel pain when you ripped them out of their nurturing soil, then slice and tear them into bit-size pieces? Think about it.
Acacia trees produce tannin to defend themselves when they are grazed upon by animals. The airborne scent of the tannin is picked up by other acacia trees, which then start to produce tannin themselves as a protetction from the nearby animals. When attacked by caterpillars, some plants can release chemical signals to attract parasitic wasps that attack the caterpillars.
A similar phenomenon can be found not only between plants and animals, but also between fungus and animals. There exists some sort of communication between a fungus garden and workers of the leaf-cutting ant Atta sexdens rubropilosa. If the garden is fed with plants that are poisonous for the fungus, it signals this to the ants, which then will avoid fertilizing the fungus garden with any more of the poisonous plant.
In theory even an organism with a hormonal system instead of a nervous system could be intelligent in some degree, but it would be an extremely slow brain, to say the least.
Cite me one legitimate source that says animals are capable of psychological torture, I'd be real interested in reading it. I know of no self-aware animals that practice sadism.
Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
As I said, and I'll say it again. Yes they do! You really need to observe the animal kingdom and do some more research. Animals will purposely mame and kill, torture and destroy, and it's all psychological and no different from Humans except for the fact that they aren't Human!
If they responds to the environment around them, then they have rudimentary awareness even if it is hormonal in nature. They may also have a rudimentary form of a brain, but we're not technologically able of recognizing it as such.
And yes, they have "no mental awareness" because they have no brains. On the contraire I do believe that plants react to the environment around them, this is obvious and apparent through their very existence! They aren't simply inanimate dead things, nothing is. That is not what I was saying.
Well yes but who's fault is it for eating crap?
Grass fed free range my friend. A happy animal is a tasty animal.
Originally posted by jackinthebox
The evil economic overlords who dictate that Americans will be too poor and too tired to do otherwise.
People who become poor may have some one or some thing else to blame.
People who stay poor have only themselves.
If somebody can't afford beef, real beef, they probably shouldn't be buying it.
Apples are still pretty cheap.