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Ron Paul Warns Of Economic Worldwide Collapse

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posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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When I was very young I remember that most of my family and friends (all average people, with average knowledge and average paychecks) wanted to "find a chance" (a LEGAL one, by the way) to go to the USA, so we all could get a better life, find a better job, and "live the american dream".
Now, we are not as much different, actually, most of us is already UNDER the average, regarding money. But none of us want to go there anymore.
I only imagine where I was going to be now if my parents got 'that chance'.

Anyway, what saddens me the most is that it SEEMS to me that americans are STILL waiting for a hero to come and save them all. And realize that I'm only using the "ATS population" to come to that conclusion. And if you think that these people (ATSers) -at least in majority- are ABOVE the biased minds that the average american may have, then you can grasp what is really sad in all this.

I am ALL and COMPLETELY FOR peace and AGAINST violence and war but it is time americans realize that talking, peacefully protesting and marching up and down some avenue is NOT going to stop any bullets coming their way NOR put food on their tables.


I'm sorry to say this folks, but the PEOPLE (and by that I mean actually YOU who are reading this line right now) have to stand up and BE THAT HERO or else we are all doomed. And by WE I mean the whole freaking world.

See, I am NOT putting the blame on the people for all the absurds that american gov has done, but you guys actually do have some moral obligation on this matter.... Or else who will?

When the election campaigns started I said in a political thread here: "There´s no savior coming for the americans". Can anybody believe on this already?

In my view, it doesn't matter anymore if the elections are real or fake, if Hillary is better then Obama or if Ron Paul stands a chance. What is clear to me is that the time is flying for the people to get a hold on their rights, and to start REBELLION against all this BULLDANG.

Yes, you heard it: REBELLION

Because when all else fails we must turn to our inner and most deep instincts.


Peace


PS.: Sorry if I offended anyone by chance, it was never my intention, I'm just really worried about all this and because I DO care about the wellness of most americans anywhere in the world.

EDIT: spelling...


[edit on 23-4-2008 by Sator]




posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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I guess that's what this country needs is some good old fashioned socialist wealth redistribution,by way of over taxing the top two percent.
Well I guess that is the new american way.Why get out there and make your destiny,when you can sit on your duff and let the government feed you from someone elses table.
Geeze we need to write in Ron Paul for president.That would show TPB that we still have some controll.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Why do people vote for Obama and Clinton? Well, I think I have the answer!

I have relatives who live in Detroit. So in a visit I asked them who they are voting for..
They all said Barrack Obama.

I asked why?
They said he looks like a good president and he is always on TV.

The media black-out of Ron Paul has worked. They have censored him and now many Americans might suffer because the real causes are not being brought out into the open.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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No ron paul is still in the running, He just has a media blackout so no one hears about it till they go and look for the information themselves.



RonPaul2008.com



Hakii



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by daddyroo45
reply to post by Sublime620
 

I guess that's what this country needs is some good old fashioned socialist wealth redistribution,by way of over taxing the top two percent.
Well I guess that is the new american way.Why get out there and make your destiny,when you can sit on your duff and let the government feed you from someone elses table.
Geeze we need to write in Ron Paul for president.That would show TPB that we still have some controll.



or we can bring our troops home close all our world bases shut down all entitlements and quit policing the world stop the war on drugs and get rid of all the taxes. I personally like that idea better.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:16 PM
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Okay, there is one solution to most of our problems and while I don't see it happening, I will spit it out.

America tells the world to go to hell; we seize all foreign owned companies and assets, reject all debts owed to other countries and anyone not an America Citizen on American soil and go to war agaist the world.

Ironically, that dorection feels so much more American. Next, we could round up all the traitors and ship them to ...how about to England.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill


Taxation moves money from the hands of the citizens into the hands of the government.

Since when was taking money away from YOU helpful?


"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jefferson



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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I don't buy that garbage. Corporations can afford to pay EVERYONE that works for them enough to live (and still have plenty of money left over to line the CEO and Executive's pockets).

When inflation goes up, so should people's paychecks. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked that way.

I'm sure if I went and got an entry level job at a grocery store, I'd get paid the same as I did 10 years ago in high school.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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A little radical. But I understand your passion about this.
If we remain at status-quo it may eventually lead to the last resort situation.

Personally I would like to see a tit-for-tat tariff upon entering trade agreements
with other "most favored nations". We import SO many goods, even a small tariff could work. We could certainly make up a lot of shortcomings with another revenue stream.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:51 PM
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You're missing the point. Yes, corporate America's profit margin is currently wide enough to take that hit, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it. Just like you see "$XX feul surcharge" added onto the bottom of almost any bill you get these days to adjust for the rising cost of gas, you'll see prices escalate to absorb the profit margin hit companies would take, however small or large, should the minimum wage increase. It's free market capitalism in action... you make a good, you sell a good with full freedom to adjust the price to whatever you see fit at the time of sale, consumer decides to either pruchase said good at that price or not to purchase. Certainly some companies would take a hit to their profit margin, absorbing some of that cost, to undercut their competitors. But everything will go up in price. That is a simple law of capitalism.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Not true... In Denmark we've operated with a social security for a long time that makes sure noone is left at the very bottom of life.

Yes, the price is higher taxes and more expensive things, but since we are used to it we don't notice it. Actually I relish in NEVER having to pay for a hospital visit what ever the reason. Only pay a small amount for dentist work. If I end up without a job, I get paid $2000 a month while searching for a job, which by the way the state helps me do.
And at the same time I can still afford the products being sold without feeling like I have to ration my money more than normal.

The minimum wage in Denmark is roughly $16 before taxes. # jobs like factory work sometimes even pay around $22 as a minimum.

So yes... high taxes combined with a higher minimum wage can run a stable society.

Though I suspect that there's a link between how big a country is and how a specific economic models works in it.

[edit on 23/4/08 by flice]



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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Thanks for making sense of things.

I think people here have just been trained to believe that some jobs shouldn't pay enough to support people. It's completely irrational and unfair, but people put up with it.

It just shows how uneducated most of America is. They actually believe that politicians and businesses are doing everything within reason to make the country a better place (when in fact it's quite the opposite).

I'm not saying an entry level clerk or janitor should be able to afford extravagant things, but if you work full time, you should have a roof over your head, and food on the table.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Hillary and Obama and McCain are all in their own way the status quo candidates from their wing of the political party that controls this country. But if I am going to get screwed, I would much rather be screwed by Obama
than Hillary
or even worse McCain
.

In a lot of ways the political party that controls the United States is like the College of Cardinals... they only chose someone who won't be around too long and who won't rock the boat.

AND that is why we are up sheets creek without a poodle because none of them will ever do anything that will rock the boat and if any one of them ever dared tell the American people the truth, their political careers would be over before they finished speaking.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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There's definitely a link between nation size & how smoothly that would work. There's also a huge diference in millitary expenditures between Denmark and the US, even in peacefull times when we're not hemmoraging billions of dollars a month in the middle of the desert.

But aside from that, this nation tried a welfare state model for over a decade. It did not work very well. Far too many in America are looking for a fast buck and a handout. We had people being paid to sit on their worthless butts and do nothing productive, whatsoever. Personally I don't believe that it is my responsibillity as a taxpayer to watch more and more money taken from my paycheck so we can have socialized medicine and subsidized consumables in this country. I actually prepared myself for life, taking out on large debt via the federal student loan program in the last decade, busting my tail through college to graduate with a usefull degree in a solid field, and then applying my tallents, time, blood, sweat, and tears to that field to make myself valuable to a company who, in turn, rewarded me with a solid position and a well earned paycheck & health insurance package. Why should those of us who have gone that extra mile be expected to be effectively penalized for our hard work just so people who haven't applied themselves don't have to suffer from the consequences of their inaction?

Barring a learning disabillity or mental issues, anyone can get those same loans, go to college for a worthwhile degree, apply themselves, and be successful. Unfortunately, too many in this country just look for the fast buck and the easy way to do things and then whine when they don't see their wallets expanding under their minimal efforts.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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24-Mar-2007
The Coming Economic Catastrophe

We are approaching the most serious economic crisis since the great depression, and American life is going to be disrupted in ways that we cannot now imagine. The reason is that there is too much debt, and the new bankruptcy law means that, because those debts can never be discharged, the economy will never get the chance to restart itself that has brought it out of so many slumps in the past. What is worse, the ordinary American debtor is not to blame. There is only one debtor to blame. It is the federal debtor.
By Whitley Strieber - March 27, 2007
www.unknowncountry.com...

Ron Paul was not the only person to predict this, so did Whitley Strieber. Read the full article written a Y E A R ago and also David Wilkerson in his books "America's Last Call," written in 1998.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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Yeah I guess you're right. But it makes you wonder though if the old model of independent states could be more healthy than planning one big union.
Ofcourse we have people who sit on their ass here too enjoying the welfare. But the problem just seems so miniscule on our scale.
Ofcourse it also comes into play that I longer yearn for great earnings and having all sorts of gadgets and expensive items.

I fear that if mr. Paul is right that my little paradise may get its roots ripped apart too
He's a wise man, even though he heralds tough times.

[edit on 23/4/08 by flice]



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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When did America try the welfare state?

I hope you're not talking about the Clinton era... because those were good times. Or maybe it was before my time?



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Sublime620
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When did America try the welfare state?

I hope you're not talking about the Clinton era... because those were good times. Or maybe it was before my time?


Late 70's under Jimmy Carter, carrying through the Democratic controlled Congress years in the 80's all the way into the end of Clinton's first term. Clinton, to his credit, actually worked with the Republican controlled COngress to get welfare reform passed, which did improve the situation dramatically equaling less of a drain on taxpayer dollars and stopping much of the mooching and welfare baby factory nonsense of the 80's.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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America has never been a welfare state. While there were abuses under the old system more corrupt corporations suck at the government teat than all those on welfare combined... ever. Yet you never here Republicans complaining about that.

Help those who already have is their mantra and screw those in need.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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few ideas to change stuff..get rid of NAFTA ,stop letting big corporations leave and still operate in this country and most of all stop giving wealfare checks to all the big corporations they should pay what ever it is their earnings require just like all of us !!!! If we have to pay everyone should pay!! But to top it off lets stop offshore banking or just controll it better this is the biggest idea of them all. Billions of tax dollars a year never seen cause half the filthy rich have an easy way to cheat the system little do they know they are helping destroy the system...just a few thoughts!



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