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posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 01:58 PM
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If it is true and we are having lives ontop of lives then where in the world, or should I say universe are we getting all these souls?? It struck something in me the other day when I was pondering all the idea. My thoughts on the new souls and our growing poulation is that somewhere else in the universe there are civilization's which are dipleating or being destoyed and the new souls are getting transfered here. But it is still puzzling to think about how the Buddists, I think it's them, believe in reincarnation but there are so many more people than thee were when the religion was first started...




posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:01 PM
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So, is there a rule against NEW souls also being created? No, I didn't think so... Not EVERY person has lived before you know...

And it isn't just the Buddhists....it's also the Hindus....and other religions as well.

Thus, the MAJORITY of the world believes in reincarnation...putting you in the MINORITY if you believe otherwise....



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:01 PM
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okay....each soul/spirit comes from the ONE GOD, it is a big cycle, when someone dies or is born, he either is a previous soul that needed to come back or a new soul directly from the ONE GOD. some souls achieve nirvana and return to GOD, while other continue in another life. Those who return to GOD become one again with him

don't know if I am explaining it right, but regardless of the population, everything is being filtered thru the ONE GOD, follow me??



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:10 PM
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I believe in reincarnation... and I also have a theory on what it was I was in a past life, just need to go through some kind of past lifer regression process or something.

I think you should read Lilblam's post on Time and God, those really make sense to you (most of the time) if you believe in reincarnation and the like, he explains most of the stuff about infinity... Not saying everything he say's is true, just makes alot of sense.

I also think that the population is at it's peak because we're all on the brink of some major disaster or end time scenario where a lot of soul's want to be apart of it, so they've all taken a seat (body) to watch the show. Lol, I don't have any evidence to support that or know how to explain it... Just a thought.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:10 PM
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Jews believe that sould come form "the guf"

"Souls are said to originate in a realm called the 'guf' (Avodah Zarah
5a, Nedarim 13b, Yevamot 62a),

When the last soul leaves "the guf" then the end of the world is near.....or so they say

www.faqs.org...



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:11 PM
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Ahh....Seventh Sign, good movie...
And uses that rather obscure premise....as a base.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:27 PM
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The doctrine of reincarnation was declared a heresy in AD 533 by the Second Council of Constantinople. Since it was dealt with so harshly, I can only come to the conclusion that it was a well known doctrine believed by many early Christians. This option is confirmed by early Gnostic writings.

Ancient writings were discovered in 1945 which revealed more information about the concept of reincarnation from a sect of Christians called "Gnostics". This sect was ultimately destroyed by the Roman orthodox church, their followers burned at the stake and their writings wiped out. The writings included some long lost gospels, some of which were written early than the known gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gnostic Christians claimed to possess the correct definition of "resurrection" - based on Jesus' secret teachings, handed down to them by the apostles ...

In the Secret Book of John, reincarnation is placed at the heart of its discussion of the salvation of souls. The book was written by 185 AD at the latest. Here is the Secret Book of John's perspective on reincarnation:

All people have drunk the water of forgetfulness and exist in a state of ignorance. Some are able to overcome ignorance through the Spirit of life that descends upon them. These souls "will be saved and will become perfect," that is, escape the round of rebirth. John asks Jesus what will happen to those who do not attain salvation. They are hurled down "into forgetfulness" and thrown into "prison", the Gnostic code word for new body. The only way for these souls to escape, says Jesus, is to emerge from forgetfulness and acquire knowledge. A soul in this situation can do so by finding a teacher or savior who has the strength to lead her home. "This soul needs to follow another soul in whom the Spirit of life dwells, because she is saved through the Spirit. Then she will never be thrust into flesh again."


reluctant-messenger.com...



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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So in the way of recycling the "souls" when some stay with god and some go back to another life to try and attempt enlightenment or realization. This earth could be called Hell in a sense.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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Not really...

When you are "with God" (or in my belief system, in your own universe), you don't really learn much to grow as a spiritual being... You don't have anything happen to you that you don't issue into being, so it gets boring after a while...kind of like a long lucid dream.... So, you ELECT to kind of wipe the slate clean a bit, and then go back and experience life, to further learn more insight... You retain some knowledge, in the form of your hunches, instincts, and inner voice....but you are also free to learn and experience the good with the bad...

It is a prison, but a voluntary one, when compared to the freedom of being virtually godlike.....



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:47 PM
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So this is never going to end?!?!?!?! Ahhh, whatever... I just get frustrated thinking about these things, but i still like to talk about it.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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I don't buy into the notion of reincarnation myself. If I had past lives, I would remember them. I do not see why I would dupe myself into being reincarnated and suffer through life over and over again without knowing why. If I did, I am an even bigger fool than I know myself to be. If reincarnation is real, and I do not think it is (nor any spirituality, IMO), I will see to it that I never, ever come back. At least if I'm not forced into life.

[Edited on 26-2-2004 by heelstone]



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:53 PM
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If reincarnation is real, and there is life on other planets, then how come we never hear about people who are alien beings reincarnated? Do our souls just like human body?
Maybe the human body is the (insert expensive car company [think Mercedez] here) of the spiritual world
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Another question for those more spiritually enlightened: Where will our souls go after Earth's days are up? Or what about when humans go extinct? Will our souls just find another planet to inhabit? Or will we give up on life and just live in the spirit world/heaven/wherever we go after we die.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Can be it would be an explaination for somethings.
like that you something do something see something and you are struck because you have the feeling you allready have done it or have seen it before.
heaven or hell are some holding places before transfer to your beginning point. in which you life again.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Ahh....Seventh Sign, good movie...
And uses that rather obscure premise....as a base.


Excellant movie. I still watch it from time to time



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by CarrierAnomaly
If reincarnation is real, and there is life on other planets, then how come we never hear about people who are alien beings reincarnated?


If you follow Buddhist belief in reincarnation, you "forget" your previous life, BUT are presented with problems in "living" life that allow you to better your "soul". For example everything is impermanent, therefore why carry the burden, of worrying about possesions. Yes that is the strict version of Buddhisim, but you can lead a normal life and be Buddhist, and still be able to "unburden" yourself from certain needs,wants, desires, etc. thus allowing you to obtain "enlightment"and not have to reincarnate again and become "one" with all. But that would bring to question, "If we become "one with all" at enlightment, wouldn't that mean that our "soul" is made of many other souls since a living being would still be a part of "all"?
And maybe giving credence to certain people being able to "be one with all" by meditation, trance or whatever?



[Edited on 26-2-2004 by NetStorm]



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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So would you say that "first time around" souls are less experinced and less capable of dealing with life?



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:28 PM
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most people (not all) who believe in reincarnation also believe that life is somewhat pre-ordained or that certain events in one's life are predetermined.

A new soul is at no less advantage than one who has been around before...the whole point is learning all the lessons of life before being able to achieve nirvana. GOD may have predetermined that a new soul is here on earth just to fill a singular purpose and that's it.

going ot on this, but reincarnation and my eastern beliefs help me to accept why "the good die young"
and why we meet certain people in our lives who affect it briefly but sometimes alter it dramatically.

Everyone has purpose, a goal, a lesson plan or agenda to fulfill until reaching nirvana, sometimes these lessons are crossed with others in order to teach us what we may have missed in the last life.



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
A new soul is at no less advantage than one who has been around before...the whole point is learning all the lessons of life before being able to achieve nirvana. GOD may have predetermined that a new soul is here on earth just to fill a singular purpose and that's it.
So now not only is reincarnation a choice that we all have made, but some people are forcefully sent to earth to fulfill a singular purpose unknown to everyone and then die off again, correct? To me, this makes no sense and I reject it outright in the fact that its all so completely contradictory.

[Edited on 26-2-2004 by heelstone]



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by heelstone

Originally posted by worldwatcher
A new soul is at no less advantage than one who has been around before...the whole point is learning all the lessons of life before being able to achieve nirvana. GOD may have predetermined that a new soul is here on earth just to fill a singular purpose and that's it.
So now not only is reincarnation a choice that we all have made, but some people are forcefully sent to earth to fulfill a singular purpose unknown to everyone and then die off again, correct? To me, this makes no sense and I reject it outright in the fact that its all so completely contradictory.

[Edited on 26-2-2004 by heelstone]

Ya so far I am going to have to agree with you. There is just not enough information to make me belive it. I guess you just have to be submissive...



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:37 PM
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why do you people do this crap????

you ask for an opinion...someone takes the time to share it with you and because you don't agree with it, you badtalk it.

if you don't agree, a simple "i don't agree" would be suffice.




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