Mormon church sends out memo to members last sunday...

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posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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(Shakes head in wonder)
You are attacking innocent peoples faith and you can't see that it is a personal attack? It is no different than attacking someone for their race or gender. You made your choice, why attack others who have simply exercised their own freedom to choose. Oh well, if attacking peaceful loving people is your agenda, it is your right.

I'll try it this way; you are grossly off topic. The topic is the letter.


I am not off topic in discussing the letter and the religion it was spawned from. I have NOT attacked anyone and I would appreciate you DROPPING the attack on me. I have simply illustrated that the letter is tantamount to terrorism and is sent out with a we know better than you because we are the church elders and you are simple peons. Get ready for something bad to happen but we won't tell you what it is.

No sir. That is terrorism as much as the color coded terror warnings that we got after 911 that in the end turned out to be bogus.

I will let other readers decide for themselves who is off topic. I already got 20 points taken from me for being "off-topic" but I have let that mod know that I am cool with that- no skin off my back.

I disagree that commenting on the religious quirks of a church whose memo is the subject of this very thread is off topic.

If anyones feelings were hurt that is their problem to deal with. I am only responsible for my own feelings.

Good luck.




posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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What is wrong with making an anti-religious statement anyway?


Nothing, if you're making a solid argument about it's invalidity.
Otherwise, you're just name-calling like a schoolyard bully.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by shaell

What is wrong with making an anti-religious statement anyway?


Nothing, if you're making a solid argument about it's invalidity.
Otherwise, you're just name-calling like a schoolyard bully.


I wholeheartedly disagree. I fail to see why I should only talk about power structures that are non-church (seemingly) related. No sir, religion has had free reign with our political system and that affects me personally. Religion does not get a free ride. NO WAY.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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This is very interesting indeed! My mom is a Jehovah's Witness and a couple of weeks ago she asked me where I get my trail food from (I am an avid backpacker) because their church had just given them an announcement to have 72 hours worth of supplies ready to just go. This is interesting to me because JW's have never been like that before. That is definitely a new development!
And I found out from my dad that the JW's are supposed to be having a really important announcement this next Sunday at one of their meetings...
We shall see. Interesting coincidences...I think not.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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True. Being prepared is not exclusive to the Boy Scouts


There were many things in which the church was spot on, this being one of them. Self sufficiency is a big item.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by stikkinikki
Religion does not get a free ride.


Nor should it. On forums like this it should be challenged on every level. Except a juvenile one.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Right about now to most lurkers you look like an immature child. You have effectively derailed this topic, I'd say that is trolling other wise what is trolling anyway. The topic is not about what you believe, it's about what they believe and they have the freedom of believing that so long as they arn't teaching hate. There just talking about stalking up on food suplies, sounds like good advice. And it's not terroism, they never said run for the hills. Mormons are the nicest and most peaceful people, you could count on them to be supportive and helpful if you needed them. You think your not preaching your own philosophy? Yours is a philosophy of intollerance, yours is.... the way. I'm not religious but the one you subscribe to is not peaceful and I don't want to be equated with it.



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posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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I agree with the poster and FEMA that every household should have 72 hours worth of survival supplies on hand in case of emergencys.

Most folks of whom I am familiar do not have this. When bad weather or such closes in you see these people scrabling like mad at the stores to get supplies and equipment. I dont feel sympathy for these people. They can obviously get ready for tonights television program or the game on the boob tube including all the snacks and goodies to relax but not a real emergency.

My opinion is that people should have up to a weeks work of provisions and equipment...not just 72 hours.

Also this is not just a principle that applies to Mormonism or Mormons..but everyone.

I commend the Mormons for this view of things ..to have food and supplies set aside. To my knowlege this has always been their thinking.
I expect the Amish and Memmonites follow somewhat along this line too..not necessarily for hard times alone but for independence. But it is a good practice. I salute them too.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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I have a somewhat limited knowledge on the inner workings of the church but if you think about it for a second...

first a question, are these "bulletins" supposed to distributed to every single church a mandatory everyones gotta know?

if thats the case then you would probably need a 72 day kit because honestly if they think that somethings up and a major catastrophe is about to hit it would take a few more hours than 72 to get the stores stocked again and up and running and you would need more than 50 matches or 2 "extended life" batteries that come with that hokey kit from the site listed above.

I understand they promote self sustainability but if they are trying to warn EVERYONE in the church to be ready they are gonna need more than just 72 hours kinda makes me question the whole thing and it would make more sense if this was more of a local or on a lower level than global notice.

the term underwear suit is just funny. If anything you made it more noticeable and therefore more destructive to this thread by giving him the 3rd degree...wait woops!



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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I think you may be mistaken. I think what is trying to be said is they need a 72 hour kit (a kit that will help you out for 72 hrs) by July 1. They still have May and June to make their kits?



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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naw I got that much.

I guess what I was trying to say is that if they think the danger is enough to warrant an all out "HEY EVERYONE GET READY" then the danger is gonna be not local but possibly global or national and if thats the case the church members are gonna need more than 72 hours of supplies.

and for the record I used to spend every summer up in Ely Minnesota in the backwaters and did a little work as a guide and that survival kit from www.alwaysbeprepared.com is a joke.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Chiiru
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I think you may be mistaken. I think what is trying to be said is they need a 72 hour kit (a kit that will help you out for 72 hrs) by July 1. They still have May and June to make their kits?

Yes they are saying that by July 1st we should have the kits ready not necessarily something bad will happen on that day.
Also it seems that the July 1st warning went out only to certain areas.
I keep thinking what would be reason enough for us to have to leave in a hurry and drawing a blank. We are close to an air force base and the Mississippi river but that is about it. No big metrapolis any where near here. No subways...No earthquakes, hardly ever a tornado..



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:37 PM
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Funny you should mention the Boy Scouts Blaine. Not that it has much bearing (though it seems to) all of the Boy Scout troops in my Hometown (Franklin, TN) used to be run by our local Mormon Church. And all of our scouts in that town normally went Eagle. (I'm not a scout... so I'm not sure what the level is before Eagle scout)

Any who interesting to realize that, in my community at least, the Mormon church and the Boy Scouts of America are intertwined.


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Stikkinikki-

I agree with what your saying. but I also agree with the others... your approach was a bit harsh. Religion may be a joke to some of us... but to others statements like yours could be construed as highly offensive. As much as it sickens me We MUST be P.C. to post on ATS.


Coven Out



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Does it make you wonder though, if the religious system is being puppeted? I mean this as no insult, I used to be part of organized religion for most of my life and no longer am. But, while I was part of it - it was no exaggeration to say that we were literally sheep. The leaders told us what to feel and how to act often using covert methods. Often leading the flock with a lot of "unsaids."

Would the powers that exist behind the scenes not know this? What is a good way to control the masses? Get them into fear and we will often follow the leader, so to speak.

I just believe it is imperative to follow our instincts. The world is collapsing, there can be no doubt. I quite frankly believe that we have been living in the end of times for a very long time! This is not new!

To gather survival supplies can indeed be important, but let's keep in mind who is saying these things. To be armed with knowledge is to be awake. But hysteria can often be used to give controllers the ammunition to lock everyone up. They count on it!



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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As I see it the best way is the direct way. If there is a number or a member get in touch and ask directly.

Someone wrote that so someone knows what it is all about all you have to do is ask, ask ask and hopefully you will get the answer you seek.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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It does make one wonder, doesn't it? I totally believe that a religious leader, or someone with a connection to a religious leader could hear something and pass it on in a way that doesn't make it obvious but gives their people the chance to prepare. Leaks happen.

I have been hearing a lot of rumors about August-November of 2008. Of course, I come across a lot of dates to watch for on ATS. You never know though. What is really curious to me, is the 72 hr kit. I would think a years supply of food/water would be the focus for most kinds of disasters if they are large scale in nature. Perhaps there is some rumor of something smaller-scale drifting around.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but purely from a theoretical standpoint the PTB might want organized christians to survive more than the average person, because they are used to trusting authority (in their church elders or clergy) and their point-of-view is more homogenous. (because they take their beliefs from the same books/teachings) Sort of the same way big companies have found that call centers for customer service type things works best in the Bible Belt because of how polite and formal the culture there is.

But then again the government has been paying for a lot of billboard space in Portland, telling people to be prepared for an emergecy and make sure their family has a plan. So it could be a way of making sure some people are warned without creating panic?



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by coven
Any who interesting to realize that, in my community at least, the Mormon church and the Boy Scouts of America are intertwined.


Im an Eagle scout myself actually. If you think about many of the scouting precepts and tennants jive nicely with Mormon faith. Family, community, being a good citizen, religion etc. So im not in anyway surprised that if your community has a large Mormon population they would gravitate to scouting.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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I live in an area where there are many family compounds. These families have moved here from all over the states. They create a compound on a few to a lot of acres and then build homes for friends and family. They are often in remote areas, but some are not far from town.

We live in a nuclear lab area and this causes much concern for many. Using sound reasoning and not panic based on what large groups are saying - it is wise to consider our choices. It never hurts to be prepared - regardless. But it is important to not buy into the mindset of the masses. It is easy for large groups to be used as a tool for manipulation. That is all I want to say.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 06:13 PM
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Your not confusing the real Mormon Church with the "gasp" other one that is in the news I hope? Mormons don't set up compounds. If a Mormon Family lived next door to you, you would not notice any difference from any other family other than maybe less bad behavior.





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