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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Originally posted by Rock Ape
And I love the story of how Buzz Aldrin smashed that guy in the face, when he called him a liar and said the landings were a fake..
It's not a "story" it's on YouTube if you want to see it. Then there's the banquet in which he was asked to give a speech regarding what it felt like to step onto the lunar surface. Aldrin stood up speechless for a second, started crying, and ran out of the room. This is how liars controlled by Masonic blood-oaths act.
Originally posted by seagull
Thanks so much...I will attempt to be worthy.
Those men are heros in every sense of the word, as are the ones, men and women both, who do so today as well. Not just the Americans, either. The Soviets cosmonauts too are heros worthy of admiration and respect. These are men that I grew up admiring ever since that day I crouched in front of a black and white TV and watched the "giant step for mankind" unfold on the screen.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
You talk about aggresive behavior like punching good ole Bert in the face. How would YOU react if you and your fellow astronauts were stalked, at the place you work, at home, and finally when you are trying to have a quiet lunch with your niece. Siebrel marched up to him, when he was leaving lunch with his niece, and DEMANDED that he put his hand on a bible and swear that he was on the moon. This is after MONTHS, or even YEARS of stalking the astronaut corps. He used all kinds of deceptive means to get into their workplace, and demand they talk to him, and was very hostile to all of them.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yeah, you've seen the vid, have you bothered to read any of the other crap Bert pulled? Or have you already decided that you're right, and we're all wrong? I don't blame him one bit for punching Bert.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
You talk about aggresive behavior like punching good ole Bert in the face. How would YOU react if you and your fellow astronauts were stalked, at the place you work, at home, and finally when you are trying to have a quiet lunch with your niece. Siebrel marched up to him, when he was leaving lunch with his niece, and DEMANDED that he put his hand on a bible and swear that he was on the moon. This is after MONTHS, or even YEARS of stalking the astronaut corps. He used all kinds of deceptive means to get into their workplace, and demand they talk to him, and was very hostile to all of them.
He is certainly a publicity hound. He has been known to stake out Apollo astronauts and then leap out, asking them to swear on a Bible that they did indeed walk on the Moon. Why would he do this? If they do swear, what does he say? Apparently nothing, because Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell says he did indeed swear on a Bible for Mr. Sibrel, yet there is no mention of this in Mr. Sibrel's website or video. And if they don't swear, of course, he can claim it's because they are liars.
Sibrel has no qualifications or experience that makes his opinions count for anything. He's an 'investigative journalist' (his description, not mine) who makes a living out of making videos, and stalking the Apollo astronauts. Sibrel claims on his site that the Apollo astronauts refuse to give interviews to anybody, thereby proving they have something to hide. Sibrel says "Neil Armstrong, the first man to supposedly walk on the moon, refuses to give interviews to anyone on the subject. 'Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies.' Collins also refuses to be interviewed. Aldrin, who granted an interview, threatened to sue us if we showed it to anyone." The truth is the Apollo astronauts usually refuse to give interviews to conspiracy theorists. Most of the Apollo astronauts know who Bart Sibrel is and how he makes his living, and most avoid him whenever possible. This is why Sibrel has had to resort to "ambush" and other deceptive tactics such as posing as a crew from Discovery Channel in order to get on-camera comments from astronauts. Armstrong is likely the reason Sibrel was fired from his job as a cameraman for a Nashville, Tenn., television station. Sibrel was arrested for trespassing on Armstrong's property after Armstrong refused to grant him an interview. Would you grant more interviews to an idiot that kept calling you a liar and kept coming out with nonsensical and false accusations based on nothing more than a twisted and fertile imagination and without a single supporting fact to back it up? I think not!
Aldrin's lawyer, Robert O'Brien, said the next day that the 6-foot-2, 250-pound Sibrel forced Aldrin up against a wall and refused to let him leave, so Aldrin launched the punch in self-defense. (On Sept. 21, the Los Angeles County district attorney's office announced it would not file charges against Aldrin, saying that he had been provoked into hitting Sibrel.)
Sibrel was arrested for trespassing on Neil Armstrong's property. In 2002, he lured Buzz Aldrin to a Beverly Hills hotel under the false pretense that he was to be interviewed for a Japanese children's show on space, and accosted him, insisting that he place his hand on a Bible and swear that he walked on the moon. Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw: Sibrel's reaction was "Is that on tape?" Sibrel used the tape to try to convince the police that Sibrel rather than Aldrin was the victim of an assault. No charges were brought, as public opinion was overwhelmingly in Aldrin's favor. Aldrin's lawyer, Robert O'Brien, claims Sibrel has been stalking many former Apollo astronauts, including Neil Armstrong, Alan BeanAlan Bean (born March 15, 1932) is a former NASA Astronaut. He graduated from Paschal High School in Fort Worth, Texas; received a bachelor of science degree in aeronautical engineering from the University of Texas in 1955 was awarded an honorary doctorat, and Al WordenAlfred Merrill Worden (born February 7, 1932) is an American astronaut who was the command module pilot for the Apollo 15 moon mission in July-August 1971. The son of Merrill and Helen Worden, he was born in Jackson, Michigan. Education Attended Dibble, G. Lois Aldrin , referring to an earlier encounter, added, "He said things I can't repeat. He was not a nice man, and it really upset Buzz a lot."
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by webstra
Ah, thanks so much Webstra. It's been a long time since I've been called naive.
Originally posted by Insomniac
What an odd thread! It started off as a discussion about faked moon landings, then stopped off midway as the OP went on a paranoid tyraid calling everybody who disagreed with him 'agents' and masons.
Anyway, to get back on topic, I suggest the OP checks the science of the Van Allen Belts and he will discover that the debunkers who use this as evidence are just plain wrong.
Here’s a helpful link…
www.clavius.org...
Must dash now, I'm late for a lodge meeting.