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John Glenn, two-time US senator and the first man in space was a Mason. The number of astronauts known to be Masons is astonishing: Buzz Aldrin Jr.
(Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5,
Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury 8), Thomas Stafford (Apollo
10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger). This list is by no means comprehensive and there are likely scores upon scores of Masons
within the ranks of NASA. Werner Von Braun, the first director of NASA was one of many top Nazi rocket-scientists the CIA brought to America during
Operation Paperclip. So to begin with, NASA is full of Masons and Nazis - not the most historically honest folks.
There is an area of very high radiation called the Van Allen Belt 272 miles from Earth which the Russians could never pass. In fact in 1959 Bill
Kaysing reported on a Russian study which discovered that the amount of radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in 4 feet of lead
in order to avoid instant death. John Mauldin, a NASA physicist, said they would need at least two meters of thick shielding. How did the NASA
astronauts account for the Van Allen Belt and Moon’s radiation? How were they able to walk on the Moon in such flimsy suits? On top of this, every
11 years the Van Allen Belt varies through cycles of radiation and 1969-70 during the Apollo missions was at peak intensity. NASA has never provided
an adequate explanation for this.
Two years before Apollo 11, NASA director Werner Von Braun and a small team took a mysterious trip to Antarctica. They claimed to be scoping out
remote locations for top-secret training facilities, but skeptics say they went to collect “Moon” rocks. Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went
to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US
Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and
insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up.
Why didn’t the NASA make a signal from the Moon that could be seen by everybody on Earth without aid of their TV set? The Apollo astronauts could
have done this with magnesium flares or similar technology and it would have been a spectacular display for all to see - proof of their
accomplishment. It is interesting that we would travel all the way to the Moon and not take any color video either. They had enough money and
technology to put men on the Moon, but they couldn’t spring for some color video? The only black and white video available from NASA is the poor
quality recording-of-a-recording that we all saw on TV. NASA claims to have conveniently lost all the original Apollo 11 high-quality video and data
telemetry tapes so experts cannot examine their authenticity. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing as well such as the Apollo Lunar
Module and rover.
Award-winning British photographer David Percy is convinced the Moon pictures are fake. In his book he shows anomalies in light/shadows which can
only be accounted for with multiple light sources. The only source of light on the Moon should be the Sun but pictures show some shadows longer than
others, shadows cast in different directions in the same picture, and certain undeniably spot lit areas. For instance he points out that the American
flag and the words “United States” on the craft are always brightly lit even when all else is in shadow. There are a couple pictures where
extension cords are clearly seen stretching across “the Moon’s” surface as well. When the Apollo astronauts are pitching the American flag it
is whipping around quite violently. NASA says that there is no wind on the atmosphere-free Moon, and has never provided an adequate explanation this.
Also if you speed up the video of Neil Armstrong running/bouncing on the moon by exactly 2X, he is clearly in Earth gravity just taking long strides.
NASA simply slowed down all the video to half-speed in post-production.
The second man on the Moon, 33rd degree Mason Buzz Aldrin was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step onto the lunar surface. He got up without
saying a word and left the room crying uncontrollably. Another time (you can watch on you tube) he was approached and called out by someone on the
Moon hoax and reacted by punching him in the face. He acts less like someone who has walked on the Moon and more like someone trying to live a big
lie. He also must fear for his life because he has taken a Masonic blood-oath not to expose the hoax. Before the first manned Apollo mission, 11
would-be Apollo astronauts died from supposed accidents in the line of duty. Three of them “accidentally” had their test capsule pumped full of
high pressure oxygen until it exploded. Seven more died in plane crashes and one in a car crash. 11 astronauts coincidentally dying under such
circumstances is highly unlikely and points towards the Masons trying to find the right people to sell their hoax.
There are a number of photos supposedly taken on the Moon that clearly show the letter “C” engraved in a “Moon rock.” In one picture another
“C” is seen drawn into the ground right next to the rock. and one on the ground next to it. CC is numerologically 33 and is Masonic code, a
wink-wink elbow-nudge to fellow Masons. In the Masonic Scary Movie 3, a reporter named Cindi Campbell is reporting on Crop Circles (CC, another
Masonic ploy to make you believe in Aliens). Just after this Eminem the rapper (MM = 33 on its side) talks with Cindi Campbell about Crop Circles.
The double letter symbology is abundant in Masonry and well-known to initiates.
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reply posted on 22-4-2008 @ 10:28 PM by freight tomsen
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All NASA mission patches are full of occult/Masonic symbolism and perhaps none more so than the Apollo missions. The names of the missions and crafts
are almost always names of ancient gods or astrological signs; they always use Roman numerals, and complex Sacred Geometry, the secrets of which are
held by the Masons. Why was it “the Eagle” that landed on the Moon? Eagles have long been used to symbolize the crown chakra. Many mission
patches feature the caduceus, serpents, eagles, and other spiritual symbology. The STS-58 patch shows a snake coiling up a pole with a V under it on
one side and a caduceus on the other.
The Egyptian Osiris is depicted as being green and so is his wife Isis, like the green Statue of Liberty and her green $ dollars. Jim Carrey, JC,
like Jesus Christ, is the Sun/Son of God. In “The Grinch” Jim Carrey plays a green character who steals Christmas. In the movie poster he is
walking in front of the Moon, obscuring it, and carrying a sack of stolen goodies. Carrey also played green characters in Batman Forever (the
Riddler), and the Mask. He plays Andy Kaufman, a hoax, in the movie called “Man on the Moon” (MM) which features the REM song of the same name
(“if you believe they put a Man on the Moon, if you believe there’s nothing up his sleeve”). In Bruce Almighty, after Carrey gains god-like
powers, he lassos the moon and brings it closer. In Dumb and Dumber Carrey passes a newspaper headline that says “Man walks on the Moon” and he
acts delighted to hear it as though he didn’t know and had never heard the news. Last but not least, in “The Truman Show,” Ed Harris (the
villain in “The Rock”) plays the producer of Jim Carrey’s life. The central command station where Harris operates his deception of Truman is a
fake moon! At one point in the movie, Carrey is even drawn with an astronaut’s helmet on. These are all Masonic messages being delivered by those
who know, and received only by those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
A year after the faked Moon landing a Knights Newspaper poll found that more than 30% of US citizens were “suspicious of NASA’s trips to the
Moon.” According to a 1999 Gallup poll only 6% of the US population had any doubts that Apollo astronauts walked on the Moon. It seems that up
until now their propaganda campaign has proved quite successful.
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” -Adolf Hitler
Hitler said, “great liars are also great magicians,” and “the great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie
than to a small one.” Hitler actually described “The Big Lie” in his book “Mein Kampf” as a propaganda technique. He said the lie must
be “so colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” 16 years later,
Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels wrote in a Jan. 12th, 1941 article called “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” that, “The English
follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
He is also quoted saying, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, the people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be
maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by
extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
The president of the International Flat Earth Research Society thinks the moon landings were faked in Hollywood studios with help from Masons Stanley
Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke. He claims that NASA’s reason for existence is to promote the myth of a round Earth and a non-Earth centered
cosmogony/cosmology.
Werner von Braun never admitted the Moon landing hoax, but just before he died in an interview with Carol Rosin, he said that in order to sustain the
military-industrial complex, first they had created the “Cold War” threat. Once that veil was lifted, a false “terrorist” threat would be
created and propagated to the public. Once that was seen through they would create a false asteroid threat to be dealt with in an “Armageddon”
military-industrial manner. Then their last card is to stage a fake alien invasion using their classified anti-gravity “UFO” technology.
 “Think about it. If you wanted an excuse to globally centralize all government, finance, military, police and other institutions, you would need
a threat to the planet as a whole. What better way than to kid the people they are being invaded from space? You would have a global problem, a global
demand that ‘Something must be done’ and an opportunity to offer a global solution: a world government and army to meet this ‘threat’. That is
the plan we are now being prepared for.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (483)
This chapter on the Moon Landing Hoax was taken from my new book available for FREE download with hundreds of color pictures at:
www.linktoit.com/atlanteanconspiracy
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 10:22 AM by freight tomsen
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For those of you who haven't, you have to check out The Moon Movie. This documentary proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that we haven't been to
the Moon. There are also lots of good links and info on the site:
www.moonmovie.com
 Was there a moon landing hoax conspiracy? What was NASA hiding? How does the Iron Triangle fit in? What were the motives? Was the space race a
military race, and was it real or fabricated? Now, more than ever before, people want answers. Begin your own research through the seven most highly
acclaimed documentary films dealing with this subject.
MOONMOVIE.COM has subjected the six manned moon landings of NASA's Apollo program to critical analysis, challenging the claim that under the corrupt
CIA-backed, Prescott Bush-sponsored Nixon Administration -- the U.S. government landed 12 men on the moon between 1969 and 1972.
We invite you to take a look at the evidence yourself and see that while the Apollo Program accomplished many things, it did not send 27 men to the
moon and back. Our films challenge the citizens of the United States to hold their government accountable for a hoax, perpetrated by a hijacked
government. Our founding documents were written to help insure the rights of the common man not to be defrauded through abusive or misappropriated
taxation. In part, our right to be free from oppressive deceit was undermined by NASA's $135,000,000,000.00 Apollo program [in today's equivalent
currency].
The manned moon landing hoax serves as a reminder to all of us that our founders were correct in their assessment of human government. It can never be
fully trusted. The U.S. has a long history of cover-ups. Neil Armstrong's statement, "You do not deserve answers!" -- reveals a strong implication
that these men were under orders to conceal those answers.
More and more people across the globe are waking up to the alarming truth - that their respective governments deceive them. Because of this -
thousands are giving the moon landing hoax position a closer look than before. We have people contact us daily with evidence for the hoax and their
own conversion from Apollo Believer to Hoax Researcher. Some apologize for having called us 'wackos', before they woke up to the truth.
Apollo Believers still persist in pointing out mistakes made by Bart Sibrel, David Percy, Bill Kaysing, Ralph Rene', and Jim Collier - while ignoring
their own mistakes, and ignoring the solid evidence. The arguments for NASA's Apollo going to the moon can sound convincing, because like the JFK
assasination, the established government and media both cooperate in altering the facts. These altered facts form the basis of the Apollo Believers'
evidence, therefore it sounds plausible.
It takes time to look at the evidence ourselves and not simply point out mistakes by those before us who were brave enough to go against the grain.
We've looked at the 'facts' of NASA's account, and after weighing out the evidence, the so-called facts just don't add up.
By taking the time to browse this site, you will uncover the mistakes made by the Apollo propagandists, who refuse to take off their rose colored
glasses and look squarely at the evidence which proves the moon landing hoax. Those of us who defend the truth continue to uncover new evidence day
after day, as we work to find and expose the 'bread crumbs' of NASA's secret history.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 02:05 PM by weedwhacker
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Oh dear!
You have opened a can of worms, FT!!
I want to start this off, by telling you, and all who stumble upon THIS thread.....David Percy is selling a load of BS!
The garbage about the VA Belts.....more and more baloney!
And.....what in the heck does Masonry matter in the Space Program???!!!???
Why bring it up? DID all of the technicians, et al, at NASA belong to the same 'secret society'??
All of these years.....nearly four decades!....and not ONE person comes forth?
Oh....except for those snake-oil salesmen who want to make a buck, based on a lie.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 04:42 PM by jra
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Wow... I'm sorry to say freight tomsen, but lots of what you wrote is a bunch of nonsense.
The very first line, about John Glenn. He was not the first man in space. He was the first American to orbit the Earth. What you're saying
about the Van Allen belts and other radiation is absolutely rediculous.
Reading the first two paragraphs was enough. Plus I don't have that much time right now. I urge you to read through
this thread, which already covers the Moon landing hoax. I also suggest you read
through the information at this site and to do your own research rather than just repeating what David Percy and
other similar people say. They're out to make money on the ignorant.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 04:54 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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I really do not know much about masons and secret societies, but i know for a fact that USSR never challenged US claims of moon landing. With all the
information wars and mutual lies going on. And Soviet spies were always very efficient. Manhattan project???? You want to tell me that it was less
secret then (supposedly) faking a moon landing?
I would like to know if you think that the task of landing people on moon was unachievable at the time? Because both USSR and US thought the opposite
and spent a lot of money and effort into it.
Of course i cannot rule out a fake filming completely ,but:
a)it does not mean that there was no landing;
b) successfully pulling it off with (as noted above) so many people involved and under constant Soviet "attention" is more complex then actually
landing people there.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 10:04 PM by jra
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Having a bit more time. Looking at paragraphs 3 and 4 of your first post...
 Two years before Apollo 11, NASA director Werner Von Braun and a small team took a mysterious trip to Antarctica. They claimed to be scoping
out remote locations for top-secret training facilities... 
It was not at all mysterious and they never claimed to be scoping out locations for top-secret bases. If such a claim were made, then the bases
wouldn't be top-secret now would they?
Here's why they went.
 From: Werner Von Braun Bio
During the local summer of 1966/67, von Braun participated in a field trip to Antarctica, organized for him and several other members of top NASA
management. The goal of the field trip was to determine whether the experience gained by US scientific and technological community during the
exploration of Antarctic wastelands would be useful for the manned exploration of space. Von Braun was mainly interested in management of the
scientific effort on Antarctic research stations, logistics, habitation and life support, and in using the barren Antarctic terrain like the glacial
dry valleys to test the equipment that one day would be used to look for signs of life on Mars and other worlds.
Nothing mysterious or top-secret about that.
 ...but skeptics say they went to collect “Moon” rocks. 
But the the meteorites found in Antartica are much different than the Lunar samples. Plus they are hard to find and were first found by the Japanese
in '69. The Apollo missions returned 850 lbs. (380 kg) from the Moon. There have only been about 19 meteorite samples found in Antartica.
You should look up the Lunar rocks and find out what makes them so unique compared to any meterorite found in Antartica. For one, the Lunar rocks are
not weathered at all, have not experianced extreme heating from flying through the atmosphere. The Lunar rocks are completely dry, have been exposed
to higher levels of radiation over a long time, show signs of having been in a low gravity environment, the list goes on.
 Why didn’t the NASA make a signal from the Moon that could be seen by everybody on Earth without aid of their TV set? 
How about all those people who listened in with there HAM radios. They could tell that the signals were coming from the Moon. Some people even tracked
the missions with there telescopes. Here's a site with some photos.
 The Apollo astronauts could have done this with magnesium flares or similar technology and it would have been a spectacular display for all to
see - proof of their accomplishment. 
I think the Moon is a bit to far away for some little magnesium flare to show up. As neat as it would be to see some bright light shining back from
the Moon, it serves little purpose and there are better ways to rpove they went. Like bringing back samples.
 It is interesting that we would travel all the way to the Moon and not take any color video either. They had enough money and technology to put
men on the Moon, but they couldn’t spring for some color video? 
Besides all of the tens of thousands of 70mm colour photos, the colour DAC film you mean? Apollo's 12 through 17 had colour video. Only Apollo 11 had
black and white video. But i'm guessing you forgot that durring your extensive research?
 The only black and white video available from NASA is the poor quality recording-of-a-recording that we all saw on TV. 
Which was only done durring Apollo 11. The rest were in colour and not recorded off a tv screen.
 NASA claims to have conveniently lost all the original Apollo 11 high-quality video and data telemetry tapes so experts cannot examine their
authenticity. 
But copies of all the telemetry data and video exsist, just not the original slow scan tapes. So the data isn't lost.
From reading just four paragraphs of your first post, it's clear that you haven't done enough research, if you even did any at all. It looks like
you're just copying what other Apollo hoax believers have already claimed with out looking into it yourself.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 10:13 PM by weedwhacker
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jra, ATS is well on its way to becoming another YouTube!!
We have to stop this nonsense, and stop it NOW!
Fortunaltely, we have intelligent folks, such as you, to carefully put an end to this BS, before it starts!!
WW
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 11:27 PM by freight tomsen
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We don't allow the use of meta tag SPAMMING here on ATS.
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reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 11:49 PM by RuneSpider
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Alrighty, if he's such a masterful difinfo agent how come his information is backed up and traceable regardless, while your info is full of holes
that reveal themselves under light scrutiny?
Instead of replying to his points, you outright attacked Masons, and himself and WheedWhacker.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 12:03 AM by NewWorldOver
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
Instead of replying to his points, you outright attacked Masons, and himself and WheedWhacker. 
I don't know, I've seen alot of points set forth on the OP's part. If he's guilty of anything, it's laying out a board-game that has no end.
There's no way to convince people of something when they no longer trust the official word. NASA is guilty of covering many things, as is ...
everything else institutionalized. But did they fake the moon landing? I feel they have gone far beyond the moon already... but I do not doubt that
they would fake something.
Some of the 'slip - ups' are pretty astonishing on NASA's part. Enough to warrant suspicion. But the same can be said for the current U.S. gov.
and there are still plenty of people in denial of such things.
Good post on the OP's part - should be some interesting fireworks in this thread.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 04:24 AM by freight tomsen
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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jra, ATS is well on its way to becoming another YouTube!!
We have to stop this nonsense, and stop it NOW!
Fortunaltely, we have intelligent folks, such as you, to carefully put an end to this BS, before it starts!!
WW 
This is one mason/agent saying to another, that with tools like YouTube and ATS, the TRUTH is going to get out. Notice all the exclamation points and
how I'm framed as "nonsense BS" and JRA is "intelligent."
Why would anyone who comes to ATS with an open mind looking for the truth, get so bent out of shape? Why does WW think I'm spouting nonsense BS, but
JRA is so intelligent? Look at their post history. Why do these people spend so much time on ATS defending establishment positions?
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 04:34 AM by Agent47
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Why would anyone who comes to ATS with an open mind looking for the truth, get so bent out of shape? Why does WW think I'm spouting nonsense BS, but
JRA is so intelligent? Look at their post history. Why do these people spend so much time on ATS defending establishment positions?

If you mean establishment positions then yes your right they are established in science and research.
IF, If someone stumbles on this thread looking for the truth then why don't you help them come to their own conclusions by addressing the argument
put forth by the "masons".
Even if they are "evil masons" they do deserve a rebuttal yes?
If your so firmly entrenched in your theory then back it up rather than slandering those who disagree.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 05:17 AM by freight tomsen
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Agent 47, yet another agent. Why should your Masonic disinfo opinion matter?
For those who don't think "Agent 47" really is a Mason/Agent consider the number 47: In 1947 the Area 51/Roswell UFO allegedly landed at 33.33
degrees north latitude (the Masonic number) and 104 degrees longitude. Interestingly, 104 is 33.33 multiplied by Pi (3.14159), and 33.33 degrees
latitude is exactly 2012 miles. Also in 1947 the US government created the CIA and the NSA. As Jordan Maxwell has pointed out, the terms NSA and
NASA come from NASI or NAZI, the German secret society creation whose UFO-experimenting rocket scientists were imported via the OSS/CIA. Also in 1947
was the Rothschild’s Balfour Declaration and all the AzkeNAZI Jews entering Israel. This is the same Israel that has seen much UFO activity, and is
in the Bible where we see the AnnuNAKI. AnnuNAKI, AzkeNAZI, NAZI, NASI, NASA, NSA
You guys should Log On and disagree using one of your less-used accounts without all the symbolic/numeric give-aways. That way I can't keep pointing
you out. Come on agents, learn from your mistakes.
For skeptics, look at this post where I pointed out this agent, then the moderator confirmed he was signing on with 3 names pretending to be different
people agreeing with himself: www.abovetopsecret.com...'
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 06:15 AM by jra
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Well that was a pretty typical response for some one who can't back up there claims with facts. Instead, you have to vilify anyone who disagrees with
you. Why don't you try to back up your claims instead?
I don't know anything about masonry. I don't ever care to know anything about it. Lets just stick to the science and engineering and not get into
this Mason nonsense.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 06:44 AM by freight tomsen
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Originally posted by jra
Well that was a pretty typical response for some one who can't back up there claims with facts. 
I have backed up my claim with scores of facts. My claim is that NASA faked the Moon landing, and I provided many facts to back up that claim. You
provided a bunch of NASA's pre-packaged counter-conspiracy answers which anyone can find on the Wikipedia Moon Landing Hoax page. JRA wants to stick
to "science and engineering" which is a good way to Strawman and avoid the many valid arguments I've made. He can side step all the occult and
Masonic info by saying "I don't know anything about Masonry. I don't ever care to know anything about it." Then he'll just focus on the
"science and engineering" stuff, about which his arguments will no doubt seem more informed and expert.
But let's see him whip-out Occult MM,WWs to prove me wrong.  Haha, the world is so insane.
 “Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for manical ends and I think I’m liable to
be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.” -John Lennon
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 08:21 AM by spaceweasle7
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i belive that the moon landing had to be real, for one reason. russia, who was the first country to put an satellite into space. so of course they
were ticked that we were going to 1-up them and put a guy on the moon. if they had even a thought that we didn't, they would have blown the hoax out
of the water immidiatley.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 08:32 AM by weedwhacker
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FT, you have to be kidding now, right?
You've hijacked your own thread!?! LOL!!!
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 08:54 AM by freight tomsen
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No, you guys hijack the threads. I'm just defending myself in a novel way. Usually people try to point-counter-point with agents like JRA and the
thread gets muddied. You guys, however, are just helping me prove my point of how large the conspiracy is. Yes it's true, the conspiracy is large
enough that it is right here on ATS. Masons/Cointel pro agents monitor ATS (they moderate Unexplained Mysteries forums) and spend countless hours
defending government positions on every issue. Again, check my post history for more obvious examples of agents.
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reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 09:34 AM by elevatedone
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I beleive we have been to the moon and will return some day.
Now my question for the OP is...
how does my name relate to Masonry and this grand conspiracy
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