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Movie: Adolf Hitler and Controversy (Must See 8 min!)

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posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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"Adolf The Great" ??? Huh...

www.youtube.com...://talousdemokratia.blogspot.com/

I hope you look the movie with open mind. It raises many questions, but gives little answers. We have to find those answers ourself in this truth movement.

I am not nazi sympatizer, and I am not underlining the last words of this documentary... But all those who gets convicted has their legal right to defend them self too... Also in history.

BTW: My grandfather fight with Germans, and he was 50% Jew...

How Germany raise to economical superpower in 5 yrs? Thats something that we should ask, how it was done? From what we should thank Hitler? Who declared war to who? Animal rights? ...

Truth is still not exposed, and we should do it now. Not to promote dead dictators, or condemn others, but learn from our mistakes.




posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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if you do tons of research on hitler

he did alot of good

not everything he did was great though

that vid might just be a perspective on the good aspects of the man



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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I watched it all the way through, though I admit, I was picking it apart and wondering about a great many claims.

Seems to me that this is a slickly engineered 1984esque propaganda piece.

Are we to believe that none of these great many Jews that were peacefully helped along their way have been interviewed? Are we to believe that their stories have been suppressed? I mean, I have seen interviews along the years with death camp survivors, so I have to believe death camps did exist.

And if death camps existed, I have to believe the footage of them is real. Now I'm not going to debate the issue of Hitler's charity or lack there of for the Jews. It does not matter what percentage of humans were one segment over another. A horrific number of humans were exterminated. Like rats.

Wasn't the Autoban built for supply route purposes? Glorifying that accomplishment seems a bit...like reaching.

The Volkswagen. I mean, plenty of others have designed cars, so I'm not sure why this is used to make him seem special. Just because he came up with the idea doesn't mean he wasn't fascist, elitist and cruel to people he didn't take a shine to.

Loved the suggestion that perhaps Churchill's quirky nudity might be worse than a man whose quirk was doing human experiments on unwilling or unknowing victims, treating them like lab rats. Oh. That's right. The lab rats weren't mentioned.

Cruelty to animals? Does this mean this great man had more feelings for German Shepherds than for German Citizens? That's how I would take this.

And frankly, Prohibition of substances is the first step down a slippery slope to..heh, heh. Fascism. Control of the lab rats. 1984.

So don't be so chest-puffy about starting anti-freedom...er smoking campaigns.

I liked how the "Communist" card was played.

And again, there was a lot of data I wondered whether there were facts to back up with. Sure would have been good to see some proof of anything.

My thought... It's a vanguard propaganda piece from the Ministry of Truth.

And I speculate about its appearance here, with these comments.

[edit on 4/23/2008 by Amaterasu]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 02:18 AM
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I do believe that this little film may be reaching a bit, just a smidgen, in proclaiming Hitler's love for the Jews. He did, after all, slaughter several million of them. If the creator of the film had really wanted to expose Hitler's love for all things Yiddish he could have included the little fact that Hitler was at least one quarter Jewish, his father being the illegitimate son of Maria Schicklgruber and her Jewish master. They also might have mentioned that young Adolph loved the Jews so much that he actually proclaimed himself to be anti-semitic in Mein Kampf (a fascinating read, BTW).

Yes, I believe if there's one thing that can't be debated in any way, it's that Adolph Hitler was a man who loved him some Hebrews!

Aside from that, I can't really take any issue with the Autobahn. Although if we're going to throw credit for roads around here, it bears mentioning that Dwight Eisenhower did basically the same thing for the Interstate system in the US, only more thouroughly. The Volkwagen Beetle is a fine hunk of junk that Hitler fans can take great pride in. My best friend in high school owned one and I had some fantastic times, pushing or towing it from place to place since it had a superb habit of blowing fuses when you did something boneheaded like stepping on the brake or turning on the headlights.

Oh what a man that Hitler, or 'Dolph as I like to call him. A world leader who took Itty-Bitty Man Syndrome to unprecidented highs.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 02:57 AM
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Well, thats a first, I've seen many things on video in my time - but I've never seen anything that made me feel as physically sick as that particular overblown glorification of one of the biggest criminals in world history.

This post - oddly in another of your threads Janus
- kind of sets Hitler in real perspective.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 04:41 AM
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This is an interesting thread. I watched the video in full. I'm not a real scholar of the Nazi period in Germany but I have read Allan Bullock's Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, William L. Shirer's, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and also Konrad Heiden's important early biography, Der Fuhrer.

When you study this period, the picture that emerges is not pretty. There are no unequivocal heroes, but Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler's finance minister comes close to being one, if you ignore the ultimate use his labours were put to. Churchill also has huge stature despite the short video's propagandistic ad hominem attack.

I don't think that Hitler was a hero although he was a prodigously energetic force for the renewal of Germany after WW1. The problem with Hitler is that his ultimate aim was to seize the land and enslave the people of eastern Europe. He says so himself in Mein Kampf. Is that the action of a hero?

When you look at him in detail, what emerges is a man with an unfortunate mania. He identified himself with the state and did in fact insist on the destruction of the state when faced with personal destruction.

In many ways the Germany that emerged under the Nazis after WW1 led the way along a path that the rest of the industrial world would eventually follow, post WW2. There is no doubt that Hitler and Nazism were responsible for mobilizing the creative energies of the German people.

If Hitler had abandoned his notions of conquest, if he had been tolerant of one of the most brilliant segments of German society, the Jews, we might all be marvelling at what a great man he was, but no, his flaws ruined his efforts for his people.

One should keep in mind that almost from the start of the war, parts of the German general staff were plotting to kill him on basic technical grounds, his insistance on embarking on a war they knew he couldn't win.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
One should keep in mind that almost from the start of the war, parts of the German general staff were plotting to kill him on basic technical grounds, his insistance on embarking on a war they knew he couldn't win.


One may note that some, many the children and grandchildren of Nazi sympathizers have been more patient...

And I suspect that piece of crepola is their handiwork.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Just making questions, my friends.

In this movie what I sent, witch is not my opinion any way, we see how easy is to make another look great, even the most evil, and another saints look bad as evil himself... It show the way how propaganda really works.

With open mind you can find this important question, and you can feel how much you are over run by your feelings, even if you know that its pure lie, or propaganda.

We all should focus on this, and find a objective way to look to all possible from our hidden history. Please, do not personate me as promoter of nazism, but behalf of truth of 911, we all should educate our minds to see the controversy of learnings from government propaganda.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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I originally started watching that movie, basically going "WTF???"

But then I thought about it. Whoever wins the war, writes the history.

How can we trust our history books, our blindly patriotic elders, and our current dumbed down society of yes-men and yes-women, to know what REALLY happened 60 years ago, in a time where mass media was still in it's infancy, when we don't even know what the Hell is going on now?

I believe the Nazis were probbly as bad as it is said they were, but I'm very open to the possibility that we've got it all wrong. I'm not gunna trust some neo-nazi propaganda film, but it made me think.

Hitler was half Jewish, and his "shame" in his heritage seems like a cop out statement, like WMDs, or "they hate our freedumbs"



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Greetings Fin....A very touching piece of propaganda.....perhaps you might be able to find some of those dance party videos that Nazis' made to show the media of that time ,how well the Jewish Interns were being treated while waiting to be deported to Israel...
Rommel was a soldier and a briliant tactition and indeed a breed apart from the likes of Hitlers Ilk (Goring,Goebles,Himler and so on)Rommel was on the order of High German Aristocracy.
The Hitler trash that managed to get control of the government in Germany were dope fiends that managed to seize power through murder and intimidation....Most Germans I know would be hard pressed to cite any good from Hitler in the light of the monsterous behavior that is so easily varifyable......



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Go go Gadget Rant!


Well.... I did not find it interesting besides the point they are trying to sell his image.... any peice of information that one sided cant be for good.... seems like a Aryan recruitment video... ever watch american history X, they talk about hilter like this too....

I mean they use words like " Most " and " Greatest ", and "peace", and " Kind "
it understood he did good, How else are you going to get a Whole country to invest in you without showing some laywork on what you say your going to do..... as I quote " He was the greatest Economist of the time "
He knew how to " invest " And Work people to a mindset even the ones he was going to kill later on... He's a Very Apparent Mentaly Disturbed Man.

And For the record, Nobel peace prize winners, or wannabes dont goto war.

/rant off.......



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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Greetings I alien.....It is wise to examine this film and any other you might have ocasion to view....Keep in mind the Nazis were and are diabolically clever and there was a whole department of propaganda headed up by Josef Goebles ( " If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough you will be believed ") designed to produce just this kind of film....
The history of the future will be written by those wise enough to seek truth and when they realize it hold on to it and pass it on...



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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i did not see the video, so I hope everyone isnt thinking i was for the guy

I think he was a piece of sh*T



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Greetings Trance.....You are on target....Hitler was masterfull when it came to creating class warfare....Germany was burdened with a treaty that was draining the life blood out of its economy,which affected the middle class....He introduced social programs to relieve the economic turmoil....The small finance group consisting largely of Jews never took Hitler serious and so they ignored him until he seized the government and then it was to late.....



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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Yeah. Well, my impression is that it is supposed to be a satire. Because seeing how peace-loving humanist Hitler had to deal with cruel naked Churchill is ..emm.. funny to say the least. Hitler offered to resign...Hitler let German Jews go with all their property.... This video is work of a comedian. No proof provided because no proof is needed, it is a satire. At least i hope that it is. WW2 cannot be hidden , and first active step was made by this great Nobel prize nominee (this is simply hilarious).Even his own Germany ended up divided. Truly a great politician and statesman.

indierockalien:
Any source for Hitler being half-Jewish? I tried to search the net but the closest i got was a 1/4 (and even that - supposedly, without actual proofs). We have our share of monsters, but i have doubts about specifically that one.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
One should keep in mind that almost from the start of the war, parts of the German general staff were plotting to kill him on basic technical grounds, his insistance on embarking on a war they knew he couldn't win.


Just a point of correction here. Although the generals were intriguing against Hitler politically throughout the war, hoping to overthrow him and get a generous loser-take-all peace settlement, they didn't really get serious about trying to kill him until it was obvious to them that the war was lost.

The hero of the cited video was the subject of, according to Shirer, ibid p.1014.

. . . at least half a dozen attempts to assassinate (him) during 1943, one of which had miscarried only when a time bomb, planted in the Fuehrer's airplane during a flight behind the Russian front, failed to explode.



[edit on 24-4-2008 by ipsedixit]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:15 PM
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Great, God knows what kind of FBI watch list I'm on now for watching that drivel. If one attempts to rewrite history than one better be equipped with extraordinary evidence since it is an immense feat. This video offers bombastic and extraordinary claims, with little to no evidence or citation.
It looks like it could have been made in a few days.

Oh, and this is really ancillary to the topic at best, BUT...If anyone wants to see a GREAT movie on Hitler and the last days of the Third Reich you should watch Downfall (German).

[edit on 24-4-2008 by Threadfall]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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Nice post, a star for you. Finally someone who has read some of the literature of the period.

No, Hitler was not a quarter Jewish, whoever posted that. This myth has never been substantiated and never will. And, if you really did read Mein Kampf like you say you did, you will know that Hitler did not become anti-semitic until he came to Vienna. There, he came into contact with certain occult elements that were pushing the master race agenda, and who indoctrinated Hitler with their philosophies.

Emil Maurice was only suspected of being part Jewish because of his dark skin and French background. Himmler stagnated his career in the SS because of this suspicion, but the allegations were never proven.

[edit on 24-4-2008 by TheComte]



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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The study of Hitler and the Nazis is still fraught with emotional taints that are holdovers from WW2 and the holocaust in particular. To portray Hitler and the Nazis as human in any way rankles a lot of people. This is very understandable because the Nazis exhibited such a naked callousness and indifference to human suffering as they went about the national socialist agenda.

In some respects though, their callousness was a reflection of the callousness of the victors of WW1 (particularly the French) and this in turn was a reaction to the callousness of the way that the war was prosecuted by the Germans at the outset of the war and of the appalling human waste of the war.

I'm no expert but I have taken the trouble to read some excellent books on Hitler and WW2. To all you Americans out there who might not be aware of it, one of the giants of American journalism was William L. Shirer. His, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is a masterpiece. It shows quite clearly that there were no innocent countries in the lead up to the war. Everyone had axes to grind and everyone was cynically and treacherously working angles. Hitler made huge capital out of that.

But getting back to the "humanity" of the Nazis. It's a thorny topic. Whatever positive developments occurred under the Nazis can be turned to propaganda, neo-Nazi propaganda. You have to handle it very carefully and one of the first things that should be said is that Hitler and the Nazis were not responsible for most of the positive developments that occurred in Germany during that period although they were responsible for some of them.

When you read about the whole period, it is not wonderful Hitler and his henchmen that loom large, but rather the german people as a whole, their suffering, their resilience and their eventual recovery, which was initiated and underway before Hitler came to power. Hitler did everything he could to undermine a government that was actually saving Germany on his way to power.

In situations like that of Germany of the 1930's a dictator can achieve a tremendous amount in a short time by running a command economy with very focused goals. This, Hitler, when he did get power, did superbly with the aid of Schacht and the big German industrialists. Schacht was a financial genius of the first order who managed to create conditions in which Germany could make economic gains while laboring under massive reparations obligations.

It is really interesting to view the documentary, Television Under the Swastika. The Germans, who were the leading scientific culture of the early twentieth century, a fact that had almost nothing to do with Nazism, actually had a small TV network that served Nazi Party functionaries and big wigs during the period of the thirties. It broadcast for nine years, up to around 1942, I believe. The programs are very revealing of the humanity of the Nazis, of their startling "modernity" and sadly of their persistent scape-goating of the Jews.

If you want a slice of Nazi life, those TV programs have it. What shocks most is how much Nazi society of the thirties was like our own modern industrial society of today. You have to see it to believe it. It really makes a point that a lot of Hitler apologists would have trouble communicating any other way. It is something that we should be aware of.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Does anybody see what I see here...? If those around Hitler would rather he be dead, and things work out that way, and then most of them come over here and play key roles in science, and even politics...

I dunno. Did we really get rid of "Hitler?"

When the internet loses net neutrality, you won't be able to find proof that what the OP points to is chest-puffery, grandiosity, and lies. But you WILL be able to find that.



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