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Gas prices rise further above $3.50, while oil nears $120

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posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:31 AM
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Why don't you Americans stop whining about petrol prices! We never do and we pay 5x more than you. Its about time your energy wasting society paid the true price for such luxuries!

If you thought it was that bad you would get on your bike! Not only would you save money but you would lose some weight too!

[edit on 24-4-2008 by t0minit8107]




posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by t0minit8107
reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


Why don't you Americans stop whining about petrol prices! We never do and we pay 5x more than you. Its about time your energy wasting society paid the true price for such luxuries!

If you thought it was that bad you would get on your bike! Not only would you save money but you would lose some weight too!

[edit on 24-4-2008 by t0minit8107]


Trouble is, not everybody can do that. Americans aren't all close together like most of Europe. Everything here is very spread out, especially in rural and suburban areas, and cars aren't a luxury--they're an absolute necessity. We don't have any kind of nationwide mass-transit system, and the transit systems in most major cities are crumbling and unreliable due to lack of adequate funding. Here in Chicago we almost lost half our transit system because downstate rural citizens didn't want to chip in to pay for it at the state level.

Believe me, I wish this wasn't the case. But, with the astronomically expensive occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, an insane "defense" budget, a big fat "black" budget, and earmarks like Ted Stevens' $200 Million Alaskan "Bridge to Nowhere", the infrastructure Americans need just isn't being built or maintained. Our leaders could make infrastructure, nationwide mass-transit and energy independence through alternative sources a priority, and put millions of unemployed Americans back to work in the process, but our whacko right-wingers would decry it as a "welfare program" and the corpocrats that really run this country would rather enslave us to mountainous amounts of personal debt to drive or make everything, roads included, private and for-profit, so ideas like that are non-starters on Capitol Hill. The rugged individualism (or belligerent anarchism, from some of the posts I've read on these forums) of many Americans keeps us from coming together and recognizing that we are one country and one people--the same people who b!tch and moan about America losing its national sovereignty in the "NWO" are the same ones who b!tch and moan about taxes, welfare, Social Security, blah blah blah etc. etc. ad nauseum and don't really want to be a part of a Sovereign Nation because civilization has a price they don't want to have to pay. Meanwhile those of us who really love our country, and love civilization, and want to be able to enjoy it, get royally screwed up the butt by the predations of multi-national corporations and Big Energy to the point where we're driving to work with a bleeding anus. Some, like me, are lucky enough to live where there's mass transit (such as it is) and we're close enough to work to walk or ride. A year ago I was driving 60 miles a day, six days a week, just for work, and it was costing me plenty. I didn't have a choice at the time. Most Americans in that situation really don't.

So. Until you know what it's like to be a frustrated, working-poor American with a pile of debt and the only choices you have are to work just to drive or be unemployed, just shut your flippin' mouth about how "whiny" we all are.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Well the 120 dollars barrel will be a thing of the pass as the speculators( the markets underground mafia), has speculated that it will reach 200 to 225 in the next 4 years.

So there you have it, thank our markets speculators for the hype, next bubble please?

I suggest that we start to ride those bicycles and take advantage of the exercises.

Food shortage hype, gas hype, oil hype, alternative fuel hype, I think we are going back to become a thin nation again.


[edit on 24-4-2008 by marg6043]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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heh. Tell me about it. I drive a 1999 Chevy Suburban. And it's on 24 inch rims. Now if that don't eat gas, I dunno what does. I filled up yesterday at $3.70 / gallon here in Mobile, AL. It ain't gettin no better. It talkes like $120 to fill my truck up. I need a new ride.....



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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I don't know how old you are but I have more than a few decades on my back, I remember the 70s oil shortage and how the cars where reduced in size to save gas after that.

Then in the 80s the gas prices were back under control and the big vans became the cars of the time.

Then as people started to get thicker around the waist the 90s became the minivans and SUVs to accommodate the growing nation because they are comfortable.

Now America will have to settler back to compact cars again to save money, this is not going to set well with the car manufacturer already Detroit is becoming a death city as the big car manufactures are sending productions oversea.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by t0minit8107

Why don't you Americans stop whining about petrol prices! We never do and we pay 5x more than you. Its about time your energy wasting society paid the true price for such luxuries!

If you thought it was that bad you would get on your bike! Not only would you save money but you would lose some weight too!

Until we have a economical mass transit system like the Eurail that spans our entire continent, I think the moaning and groaning will continue. If you're paying 5 times the amount for fuel that we are, you must either have higher wages where you live, or you don't drive much..

Gas prices will soon be running neck and neck with the minimum wage in America. When it gets to that point, not many people will be able to afford the luxury of working anymore.

Riding a bike is great exercise, but I doubt many Americans of Europeans could peddle 30+ miles per day to reach their jobs, Do you? Unless you're an olympic class athlete, the notion is ridiculous at best.

Americans aren't the only overweight population in the World either for your information. Unless you live in Africa, it's a problem almost anywhere you go nowadays.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by t0minit8107

Why don't you Americans stop whining about petrol prices! We never do and we pay 5x more than you. Its about time your energy wasting society paid the true price for such luxuries!

If you thought it was that bad you would get on your bike! Not only would you save money but you would lose some weight too!

Until we have a economical mass transit system like the Eurail that spans our entire continent, I think the moaning and groaning will continue. If you're paying 5 times the amount for fuel that we are, you must either have higher wages where you live, or you don't drive much..

Gas prices will soon be running neck and neck with the minimum wage in America. When it gets to that point, not many people will be able to afford the luxury of working anymore.

Riding a bike is great exercise, but I doubt many Americans of Europeans could peddle 30+ miles per day to reach their jobs, Do you? Unless you're an olympic class athlete, the notion is ridiculous at best.

Americans aren't the only overweight population in the World either for your information. Unless you live in Africa, it's a problem almost anywhere you go nowadays.



I live in the UK and our average national income is comparable to yours. Uk slightly higher but with the economic crisis in the US that is expected. Fair enough the US has no super Mass transit system but that is still no excuse to whine because the vast majority of people that drive expensive big cars use them for short journeys only and that is a fact. So my point is still valid.

People in your country use more energy per person on average than anywhere else in the world. Maybe when you realize the true price you have to pay for this energy you will respect it more!

[edit on 24-4-2008 by t0minit8107]

[edit on 24-4-2008 by t0minit8107]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by t0minit8107

I live in the UK and our average national income is comparable to yours. Uk slightly higher but with the economic crisis in the US that is expected. Fair enough the US has no super Mass transit system but that is still no excuse to whine because the vast majority of people that drive expensive big cars use them for short journeys only and that is a fact. So my point is still valid.
You're making a lot of generalizations here. The majority of people in this country don't drive big, expensive cars. Most Americans drive 4 or 6 cylinder cars, that are 3 or more years old. Cavaliers, Tauruses, Escorts, Toyotas, and Saturns are the common fare in my area. Of course you have some of the more afluent people driving SUVs, but they're not the norm.


People in your country use more energy per person on average than anywhere else in the world. Maybe when you realize the true price you have to pay for this energy you will respect it more!
We're not all power hogs, just like we're not all wealthy and fat . It truly amazes me how many people actually believe we're all super-wealthy in the land of opportunity known as America. It's makes for a great bedtime story, but that's all it is.

Things are hard here too for some segments of the population, just like in the rest of the World.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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Try reading my posts, try doing some Objective Research.

How far do you drive? How often do you fill your tank? How much do you make a month? Your high Fuel prices are due to taxes that your governments put into useful programs.

We cant take freaking bikes to work, You try riding a bike over 50 miles a day. We have to travel long distances for everything, school, work, groceries. In addition Where or Where would we bike if we even could bike 50 miles. Biking in the states is not like Europe. You can't just ride out in traffic with a bike. You would get killed or get fined,arrested by the police.

Living in the US is nothing like Europe. We dont have good mass transit. Most of the mass transit we do have is only in large cities. A good chunk of that is primarily for ghettoes and urban waste.

On top of that we make alot less. All of our wealth is concentrated in less than 10% of the population. The vast majority of the country makes just enough money to barely get by.

Lose weight? I have a military weight standard, I have to keep in shape for duty. Stop thinking all Americans are all beached whales.





[edit on 24/4/08 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by t0minit8107
I live in the UK and our average national income is comparable to yours. Uk slightly higher but with the economic crisis in the US that is expected. Fair enough the US has no super Mass transit system but that is still no excuse to whine because the vast majority of people that drive expensive big cars use them for short journeys only and that is a fact. So my point is still valid.


No, it isn't quite valid. I'll get to why in a moment, because it has to do with this:


People in your country use more energy per person on average than anywhere else in the world.


What you're not realizing is, it's not all of us doing this. Energy usage varies widely from person to person, often based on their level of wealth. The wealthiest Americans use far more energy than most, because they have yachts, speedboats, private jets, etc. Compared to someone who jets across the country every other day in a Gulfstream to golf in Florida and then make it back to L.A. for a business meeting, then heads off to Hawaii for a weekend of water-skiing, and has five or ten 20-room houses that eat massive amounts of power for heat, AC and electricity and a stable full of gas-guzzling sports cars and SUVs, most of us are using far less. But that one guy throws the curve way out of whack, and even though they're only about 1% of our population, they're using a lot more than most of us.

Again, when you live 30 miles from work (usually because living closer is too expensive) you need to drive for a living. And, there's independent contractors and truck drivers to consider as well. Most of us aren't using energy as if it's a kid's plaything. We use it to survive. Most of us don't have a choice.


Maybe when you realize the true price you have to pay for this energy you will respect it more!


Believe me, I know the price, in dollars, corruption, and American lives wasted for adventures in the Middle East to "secure" (steal) more of it. But, too many Americans fail to realize who's really supposed to be in charge here, and abdicate their responsibility to hold our elected officials accountable for selling us down the river.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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I see all your points but the vast majority of people with cars use them unnecessarily!

And allot of people who live around me commute to London everyday in their cars i don't see them complaining about there fuel prices which are way more expensive than yours!

We also have independent truck drivers here by the way




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posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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That is all true, we live far away from most of the places of work and were we shop.

This is what killing the manufacturing base that used to be around the corners from homes has done to America.

The housing bubble creation of homes in the suburbs to be away from the hustle of city life has made impossible for people to have mass transit available and be close to our places of work.

Top that with a nation that has gotten thicker in the last 25 to 30 years we are a nation in trouble.

But what can anybody do as things keep getting out of hands.

The speculators now are calling for 200 to 225 dollars oil barrel in the next 4 to 5 years.

So unless our government start handling yearly stimulus checks to compensate for the prices of food and gas I welcome any other solutions.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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Ummm a motor bike would be a good solution!



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Even my husband has been thinking about that one, my son is getting enough money now for a down payment on a motor bike.

My neighbors across the street already have invested in two bikes and they are in their forties, it seems that the idea is actually taking hold on many peoples minds.

Our county doesn't have mass transportation but the next county does, We are starting to fix our home to sell in the next few years and move to the next county were my husband works and it have mass transportation available.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by t0minit8107
I see all your points but the vast majority of people with cars use them unnecessarily!


Prove, with factual evidence, how this is so.


And allot of people who live around me commute to London everyday in their cars i don't see them complaining about there fuel prices which are way more expensive than yours!


In smaller cars, which are cheap and readily available throughout Europe, and get better gas mileage, I'd bet. And how far is that commute? And how many are there?


We also have independent truck drivers here by the way


Driving smaller, more efficient trucks for fewer miles with less cargo. The average trucker, over-the-road, here drive around 750-850 miles a day 5-6 days a week. They have to. Everything here goes by truck. Only very heavy bulk items, like sand for auto glass, move by train for the most part. You're comparing apples and oranges.

I'm planning on buying a motorcycle soon. Not everyone can, or should, ride one, because a lot of people think it's a toy and don't have the maturity to ride right. And, they're useless in winter when the snow is a foot deep.

Have you ever been here? I've been to Europe, and man, do I wish we were more like that. But we're not. And we're not likely to be in the near future.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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You want to know why oil is up?

www.youtube.com...

Theres your answer...this 8 part video is the most powerful video I have seen.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS


Egad, when is this going to stop? I thought we might level out by now. $120 a barrel?! In some places in the US, gas is close to $5 a gallon and its not even Summer yet. People are starving to death from Indonesia to Egypt due to high food prices related to high oil prices. Yet the Energy Industries are making profits?!

People are dying. Apparently all of that money that people in the First World have been spending to improve their standard of living needs to be in the bank accounts of the oil cartels. What little money people have in the Third World to survive apparently also needs to be there. Can someone tell me why people have to die and standards of living have to be lowered to fill their bank accounts?

Congress or someone needs to pass some laws to force them to take a miniscule $500 million out of their multi billions of dollars of profits and donate it for food aid. If they don't get their heads out of their wallets and start paying attention to the world, their going to have dozens of French style, Iranian style, and Russian style Revolutions all over the planet.

Hungry, Broke people do not make Happy People.

biz.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

40% of oil company stocks are owned by retirement and mutual funds. The solution is not to hurt those people.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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$500 million, especially if divided up among the oil industry, is a miniscule amount and enought to put the UN WFP back on track. It will barely affect people, like me, with mutual funds. People expecting to retire at the expense of other peoples lives and living standards is just as bad as destroying those peoples lives themselves. Wealthy people are extremely inhumane, if they feel it is justified to let people die and suffer for their benefit.


Idiotic ideas, viewpoints and lack of reality like this is what gets people so angry they Revolt. People's revolts are not pretty. France, Russia, and Iran had revolutions that were people's revolts. If the wealthy want people so desperate and angry they drag them out of their homes they can keep going with this course of action. The Police and Military will not protect them. They will have the same problems and if anything be part of the mobs dragging people from their homes. The best course of action is get back to reality, learn what it is to be humane, and moral. If they dont, the words humane and moral will be the furthest things away from the minds of hungry and angry mobs dragging them into the streets.

I am not advocating violence. I am a sudent of history. Its just the way the cookie or society crumbles.

[edit on 27/4/08 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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China engagment brought on the stiff demand for Oil and driving Gas inflation.

Building China's economy has placed stress on global resources. China will soon become the world's number one Oil consumer at this rate.



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