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Originally posted by TheSilentProtagonist
"It’s for those very reasons that I champion Capitalism. People have been victims of Socialism and communisms long enough. "
So you attribute the problems of all the worlds poor and side-lined to "communisms"?.
I think you miss read what i said, in capitalism, people get what they need only if they have the money. The examples i gave have nothing to do with what you may call "communism". (having said that, what DO you think communism is?) The reason they are in the state they are in is becuase capitalism has failed to provide for them nor given them any practical means to help themselves.
Do you undersand the basic principles of capitalism as a system? If things are not made and jobs not done its becuase there is no market for them.
The clothes you are wearing, the grain in your bread, the computer you were typing on? they were all produced, by people, to sell on a market. And the only reason they went to the effort of making them is to get profit from doing so. Actual, practical need, comes second.
It CANNOT satisfy everyone becuase there are some people in the world where it is not "profitable" to help. Stop using a misguided straw-man theory of communism to blame for all the worlds misgivings and give some genuine thought as to why the world might be in the state its in.
Originally posted by mattguy404
In relation to the climate, yes people do have flaws, but people on their own don't spew forth massive amounts of industrial pollution.
Originally posted by gdeed
There is plenty to go around. Once we run out of oil we will use other energy sources created in Capitalistic labs.
And that's where I will end making any logical argument with you. A statement like that just goes against all reasoning. Where or what are these 'capitalistic labs'? Something is just going to 'come along' is it, like magic?
Those 'capitalistic labs' would control whatever new energy they're supposedly going to come up with and the whole cycle of control will start over again. It's those same 'capitalistic labs' that are working to control the world's seeds and means of food production - farmers in India are literally hanging themselves because seeds gathered from their previous crops do not germinate because they have been genetically modified.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
That having been said, what if it was not governmental, but rather, truly communal in nature? What if rather than an executive or state power center through which such a system were directed, it existed as a genuinely collective and cooperative entity, based on genuine compassion, selflessness, and unity that was simultaneously respectful of individual rights, freedoms, and pursuits? What if currency, and indeed the very concept of "value" (including even bartering of any kind) assignment, were not part of such a paradigm? What if it were simultaneously communal and democratic?
I believe that humanity is capable of the scenario suggested in the above questions, that it could exist peacefully, successfully, and without anarchy, and that it could do so without a power structure of any kind whatsoever, with equal importance, rights, and respect shared and enjoyed by every member of such a society.
I believe that what would make all of this possible is, simply, love; unconditional, selfless, genuine love.
Originally posted by ianr5741
The narrow-minded see the only two examples laid before them, and believe they are exercising free will when choosing one or the other.
Use some imagination. Words like "communism" or "capitalism" are just labels. There are more alternatives...
Originally posted by ufopunx
I see you criticize left wing politics and said capitalism work, i want to say that the left and the right doesn't work both, just look what happen in russia and look what happen in the world now with your capitalism, maybe it work for you but tell this to the african people who suffer from capitalism and wait for the answer if they didn't already shot you a bullet in the head.
You think money is freedom, me i say money is slavery, without money you can do nothing, you are forced to work even if there is no work or you loose your allocation, that make me sick.
I don't want get a work to feed the rich and get money, i want to do something that will give me food, we must rebuild the society, change all, nothing works, it's getting worst and worst everyday!
Money is killing us, we don't need that as we don't need power, this 2 things are just destroying our world.
I will stop by saying that i know more happy poor people then rich happy people, some friend who beg everyday travel all the times they have seen and lived lot of things that most of people will never seen/do, money is just a lure to attract you in their system and manure their profit in thinking you are doing the right things, just like religion do, and obviously it works on some peoples.
Originally posted by ianr5741
Judge the following two scenarios by whether or not they are economically viable, from the viewpoint of someone who espouses capitalistic principles:
1) Spend a significant amount of the public savings on education. Costs will run high and there will be no returns for at least 20 years.
2) Spend nothing on education. Instead, use the money to buy weapons, territory, influence, investments in profitable companies, and other material goods.
Originally posted by TheSilentProtagonist
Gdeed your being a tad simplistic dont you think? i am giving EXAMPLES. I know full well we are not cattle and have needs beyond just food, shelter etc, but im trying to demonstrate that if capitalism cant even provide those things for everyone then how the hell will it deal with the rest?
-Explain. Why do you believe this? How does EVERYTHING wrong with the world relate back to your warped view of "communisms"?
-Wrong. There is only a market where there are people to spend money. Thats what Market reasearch is for. There are plenty of people who NEED those things you mentioned, but they dont have the money to purchase them. So the people who produce these things will not make any profit, so therefore it does not happen. Why would anyone go to the effort of making things of there is no one to buy them?
Capitalism doesn’t fail anybody, Capitalism is a vehicle to prosperity, the only vehicle.
-Why the only vechicle? We have established that capitalism has brought makind this far succesfully, but not without failings. How do you know that this is the only system mankind will ever need?
Work is what makes the world go round. Under Capitalism you have more choices in what work you will do
Most countries don’t have Capitalism, it sounds like you live in one of them. Many tyrants and left-wingers are very rich because they took money from their people. Being rich don’t mean you are a Capitalist
If money bothers you carry around some sheep and hogs, otherwise what are your going to trade with? People are not going to give you anything if you don’t give them something in return. That’s the way things work on this planet, always has been and always will.
Nothing wrong with being happy and poor. In American if you are poor you should be happy. Free housing, free food, free transportation, free hospitalization, free schools and you don’t have to work that much or at all
If I was poor the taxpayer pays to keep my house in new condition. No wonder the poor are happy