Originally posted by Nohup
But I guess the bottom line is that you can't even adequately explain (or perhaps even comprehend) what you say you believe in, so it seems silly to
ask atheists why they don't believe in it.
Gee, I feel like Julius Caesar being verbally pummeled by the daggers of the Senate. I can't possibly engage all of you, but I will address this
statement I quoted here, because I think you came off .. less than friendly, where as I worded all of my replies and the orginal post carefully as to
not make anyone of any particular belief, like Atheism angry or miffed since I was asking Atheists the question, so that I wouldn't get statements
like this. But I guess if you want to take it "there" , to accuse me of not being able to explain my own belief, I will accept the challenge to do
so. Not that you'd understand me, or that I'd even understand you, does this make you or I correct? you or I more intelligent? Nay. It makes us
different, with different opinions.
First off, I do not believe in a single omnipotent being, that controls everything, commonly referred to as "God", the "he", as if it were a male
being in the Universe somewhere controlling everything. No, that is the naive impression given unto those who observe the Theology from the
, not fully understanding. I too used to think of God as a single omnipotent being, before I became spiritual and began to understand
that it couldn't possibly be that simple.
Secondly, no one religion is correct. They are all pathways to the same end. You are a product of your deeds. It matters not whether you knew of the
living Christ, or if you didn't, if you lived like Christ, you've obviously done the "right" thing, as in being as loving and caring to all
others, as opposed to cruel and mean to them, giving them pain and torture. You have the choice. So therefore, I am not an archetype Christian. If
you must label something that cant be labeled correctly, put an incorrect label upon me to better attempt to understand me, but you will have erred
from the start. Yeshua, Jesus, was a flesh and blood human man, he was not God incarnate. This takes nothing away from him.
Third, onto my "belief". God is not a being, my opinion is that like all things, you cannot have something out of nothing, right? So just as the big
bang doesnt quite add up, neither does an omnipotent being creating all matter. Therefore, something had to occur for this matter, the universe, to
exist. God, as we call it, had to .. for lack of a better term, shatter itself of its' physical form, to use this matter to create with. Therefore,
God is no longer a single being, perhaps at one point, but if God was a single entity, it was before the creation, therefore in a timeless state,
something we cannot comprehend as human beings. Can you agree that there are things beyond human capability to understand? If not, you'd be lying to
yourself and to me. How things came to be is one of them. There is no single correct answer. Yet, something did occur. A paradox indeed.
So then, if God is not a physical, made-of-matter being, God is the creation
. You hear the sayings .. God is in everyone, or God is all around,
or God is love? That is the beginning of the rabbit hole, at the bottom of it is the truth. We are all made of God essence. God gave his matter to
create ours, to allow this to exist. And why? To experience all which can be conceived. Can you agree that if the universe is limitless, that anything
be out there, existing, somewhere? Not agree, but can you refute it and prove it incorrect? How can you prove incorrect what
you know nothing of? So then, electricity is energy is life. Our bodies have electricity, if they didn't, we'd be dead, our hearts would not pump,
our brains would not function. We have energy inside of us, the same kind that comes from stars and suns, on a much lesser scale. God experiences all
that can exist through each of us, we are the nerve endings of God. God could not have the cake and eat it too, because like all things, even God
has to abide by the rules
. Rules? you know ... the so called laws of physics? I'm sure there are laws of physics we have yet to understand as
well, does this mean they do not exist?
So how does "being good" and "love" tie in, if God is everything? Just like the texts say, God doesn't want his creation to suffer, because God
suffers too, because God is the creation. Therefore, the love, the morals, the knowledge of what is good and right, these things which we know in our
very hearts are true, to the cores of our beings we know what is right and what is wrong. What is so called good and what is so called evil. Well have
you noticed when you express love to another, that it often cheers them up, making them more apt to express love? And then does that person not go and
act more positive, more loving, to those around them? More helping, more caring? Taking care of the unfortunate, the least of us? We're like
domino's, except they dont knock each other over, they stand each other up. The force which propels us in our cores of ourselves to express this love
is what people call God. Over time, you can even plot this on a graph, more love will change and influence more people, which will do so to more
people, and eventually, even if it takes 10,000 years, the human race will become universally affected. If not, we will all perish, it's really that
cut and dry with me.
[edit on 4/22/2008 by runetang]