Are You Stockpiling Now? If so, what?, page 5
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reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 01:22 PM by NazcaP
I have always kept a reserve supply of food and water, and that practice has served me well in the past. Recently, I have increased the size of all my reserve supplies, for the most part before the recent price hikes.

I have stockpiled flour, rice, sugar, salt, corn meal, canned goods (fruits and veggies, soups and stews), cooking oil, peanut butter, pasta, spices, and I-don't-know-what-all. It's hard to estimate how long it would last, seeing as I could have anywhere from 2-6 people here in an emergency situation, but based on a scenario of 2 people, I think we'd be able to eat for a year.

I would suggest obtaining a vacuum-packaging system, such as the FoodSaver. I repackage all of my dry goods, and it increases the shelf life by at least double. I also invested in a home water distiller. I have a food dehydrater, which works particularly well on apples and carrots. My next major purchase will be a generator. I already have the requisite firearms, ammo, and big mean dog. :-)

Bravo to everyone who said that knowledge is more important than any of these things. I have long counseled people to increase in their practical skills; sewing, cooking, carpentry, repairs, etc. I have assembled a personal library of books on how to make or fix just about anything. I make all of my own blankets and am now making new ones to put aside for future trading.

One more thing; one can find many plans online for constructing simple and effective solar ovens. These can be made from cardboard boxes, and may come in handy in the future.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 01:31 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by Infadel


While I agree in principle to this thread(my wife and I are stockpliling beans, rice , legumes, and flours, I find the idea of buying a dray horse a bad idea. As a former owner of horses, do you have any idea how much food and water these animals take? Plus, you have to have the harnesses, the plows, etc. It's a good Idea on the surface, but give it some deep thought man. Those things can be exspensive to feed. Better to to invest in an ox.
Stock up on beans, rice, pasta, canned goods, powdered milk and any other non-persishable food group you can think of. Plant fruit trees. Stock up on alchol, (and i don't mean medicinal) A bottle of cheap scotch might be worth a fortune in barter. I'm stocking up on Wild Turkey 101. Good borbon, quick high, and good barter material(d0n't forget to save some for your self)

If you can get the makings, set up a still. Grow corn, barley, rye, whatever it takes, and brew your own, for drinking or for barter. If you can't age in barrela, then bottle it and sell it green. Most people aren't going to give a damn anyway. they are just wanting to relieve their pain.
If lyou can brew beer, so much the better. A great part of this country's economy was built on beer.
If you stock pile canned goods, DON"T CALL ATTENTION TO THE CANS. This will let your neighbors know you have food. The value of you life will quickly drop to Obtain dogs that are territorial and visicious. Set up booby traps. Put up signs that tresspassers will be shot on sight if they do not have adequate ID, and that someone, hidden in the background will kill them outright at the slightest provocation.
Lastly, no matter where you are, NEVER GO UNARMED! At least one gun, preferably 2, and no less than two knives in easy reach. Have your spouse and your children hidden and reay for quick back up.
As a personal note, I would suggest that every one living ing the principel residence become profiecient in some sort if martial art, prefreably those that teach quick kill, an, or quick disable
It might not be a bad idea to grow a little wacky backy in the back yard. Makes good clothes, trades well, and in a pinch, can sub of the wild turkey



reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 02:11 PM by Barbs46
reply to post by jimmyx



Glad you noticed that hyped up food shortage situation. Think about the movie "Wag The Dog" with an empty food bowl. I believe my friends who are staunch anti-conspiracy types are starting to see something's not
quite right at the ol' grocery store and their wallets and purses.
I ask the checkers if others are as concerned as I am and they tell me
that it's growing. I notice when I shop, you can hear a pin drop as shoppers are really concentrating on what to buy and what they can do without. The luxuries (olives, specialty cheeses, etc) are just sitting and
gathering dust.
While hungry at times, even I can step back in awe as this plays out; it is historic. I read an article that there is enough food on this, our lonely blue planet, to feed 26 Billion (w/a "B") people. So, the shortages are contrived and designed to "starve us out".
I don't believe in hoarding as I head how horrible it was during WWII, but the next time I see 44 cent caned corn, I'll get a couple of extra cans. Maybe I could even pulverize the contents into fuel.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 04:29 PM by Uphill
At our house we have always stockpiled some foods and drinks because we live in a mountain area where the roads are not the best to begin with. Our first stockpiling priority is water, since we live in Southern California earthquake country. We bought 50-gallon storage containers from SOS emergency supply outfitters, located in the San Fernando Valley, USA. Here is the link for their online store:


www.sosproducts.com...


They sell related items, such as water storage tablets, etc. If you store your water containers on a concrete flooring, be sure to set your containers on a plywood sheet on the floor, not directly on the concrete, since over time, salts from the concrete can migrate through the plastic container into the water. How much water to store? That depends on how many people are in your household, whether your close neighbors and friends have also stored water (or not), etc. The international Red Cross recommends storing at least a 3-day supply for the household, a minimum of 1 gallon per person per day -- that number is for drinking and cooking purposes only.

Another helpful U.S. source of basic food-preparation and household items at decent prices is Lehman's catalog. They sell many non-electric household machines, tools, and hard-to-find supplies, including reasonably priced home canning equipment, pickling crocks, on and on. Here is their website:


www.lehmans.com...


Note: We don't work for either of these stores, we've just bought from them and can vouch for the quality of what they offer.

BTW, be aware that Eden Foods is the only manufacturer currently using cans lined with natural plant ingredients which contain zero Bisphenol A. Here is the link to that topic discussion on their website:


www.edenfoods.com...


Okay, here is our list of what we have been stockpiling:

Gasoline: We keep our car tanks pretty full, and keep a 5-gallon can filled as well, but be aware that at least in the U.S., the refineries for years have included additives in commercial gasoline which limit its storage life quite a bit. So don't hang onto gasoline forever.

Grains: We often cook with whole grains, which usually involves soaking a cup or so of the grains overnight in the refrigerator -- cooking is much easier that way; I got used to planning ahead about that pretty quickly. I sometimes get headaches from wheat so we use alternative grains like spelt and kamut, as well as whole hulled barley and oats, millet, a little whole rye, short grain brown rice (this is the best-tasting), also medium grain brown rice, quinoa, amaranth, popcorn, various grain flake products, and a small amount of buckwheat. At a Latino market, I bought a 20-pound bag of Maseca brand corn masa mix (cornmeal for making tortillas at home), along with an inexpensive tool they sell for flattening out the tortilla shape, after I found out that many commercially made tortillas have sugar added -- gross! BTW, Maseca masa comes in 2-pound and 5-pound packages as well.

Noodles and tofu: Trader Joe's has decent prices on organic semolina dry pasta and excellent prices on organic tofu, otherwise we mostly drive to a Little Tokyo in downtown L.A. to buy dry noodles such as buckwheat soba, big fat udon noodles that are to die for (the flat udon noodles are so-so), and somen noodles.

Other dried goods, bought from local food co-op, stored in glass containers in our kitchen cupboards: Dried corn, various split peas, lentils, black-eyed peas, aduki beans, black beans, navy beans, garbanzo beans (AKA chickpeas), etc. Nuts include almonds, walnuts, dried chestnuts, and pine nuts. Seeds include sesame seeds (must store in refrigerator) and sprouting seeds such as sesame, alfalfa, even fenugreek. Pay attention to what's on sale; you can often get a good deal on dry goods this way.

I eat fish, while my partner is vegetarian; in Little Tokyo I bought dried flaked bonito in small plastic packages (no need to refrigerate), which is the secret ingredient in most restaurant miso soup broth.

Also in Little Tokyo we get high-quality low-priced seaweed packaged in plastic bags, shelf life is quite long. Just remember to be careful with your portion size of seaweed, since if you max it out over a long enough time, the iodine in the seaweed can make your thyroid gland hyper... not a great thing.

In Chinatown, we buy yuba (a sheet of high-protein, high-fat material made from tofu, and it's dried so no refrigeration necessary) and black bean (which is actually black soybean) sauce.

Drinks: We buy canned coffee from either Costco or Smart and Final, which are local "big box" discount stores. Costco is membership only, but Smart and Final membership is totally optional. We buy packaged tea from our co-op, and Trader Joe has good prices on lemons which we slice and add to glasses of water and what-have-you. We also buy quintuple-filtered water from our co-op (currently .30 cents a gallon, quite a good price). Unfiltered sake - cheaper to buy this in Little Tokyo, but Whole Wallet -- er, WholeFoods -- has it as well, a little more expensive.

Canned foods: The aforementioned Eden Foods manufacturer makes an array of canned beans and veggies, which we use for quick meals.

Home garden: We started growing lots of organic veggies and fruits, but varmints (squirrels etc.) got all the fruit and most of the veggies; nowadays we grow artichokes successfully along with citrus and leafy veggies the squirrels dislike, such as collards, kale, etc. Edible flowers include rose petals, nasturtiums, and garland chrysanthemum (Not the Regular Mums, folks - those are Not Edible).

Spices and ethnic supplies we get from an Indian grocery in the San Fernando Valley; star anise, for example is normally outrageously pricey, but I can buy a large plastic bag of star anise for around $2.00 (and anise has the active ingredient in Tamiflu, the bird flu vaccine).

Miscellaneous: Also from the co-op, we're buying quantities of soap, rice vinegar, unrefined sesame oil, unrefined olive oil, (store the oils in a cool place and refrigerate after opening), tahini, tempeh, Ezekiel bread (store in freezer until needed), sea salt, sprouting seeds and tamari sauce (a high quality soy sauce). Fresh produce we buy at our co-op includes green and other onions, carrots, turnips, rutabagas, collards, kale, mustard

[edit on 4/23/2008 by Uphill]


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 06:56 PM by Wildbob77
This is a good post. I think that it's time to start acquiring more groceries than you usually keep. We usually by canned goods by the case and what's a few more cases.

Here's a link to shelf life of some canned goods.
www.y2kkitchen.com...

Gardening is great if you have the time and space. Look for heritage seeds. You can harvest not only the fruit and/or veggies from these but you harvest the seeds for next year.

Here's a great link on how to build a still. Liquor will have value even if a paper dollar doesn't.
www.moonshine-still.com...

If you have money, I'd suggest that you convert some of it into silver coin. If the dollar tanks silver and gold coins will most likely still have value.

Other people have posted quite a bit of good information.

So, you should make a plan, implement the plan and hopefully have a great life.

PS With respect to food, you need to not just stockpile but you need to developer a rotation system so that you use the oldest first and continually replenish you stock. This should just become part of your lifestyle. If the economy gets better it's no big deal to have a little extra food. If it tanks, it could make all the difference in the world.



reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 07:48 PM by Illahee
reply to post by Wildbob77



Agreed. Canned goods and home canned goods are great things to store. I don't know about a moonshine still, most folks will shy away from bootleg liquor, and even only a smaller portion of the population will drink legitimate liquor. I think the thing there is bottled wine. Its always good for storage and even if everyone was poor and all they had to bring to a wedding was a bottle of wine its still a nice gift. Wine doesn't require a still or skills at distillation either. You can buy 6 gallon wine kits for $50 and up that make 28-30 bottles. Wine is usually stabilized with vitamin C and retains most of the fruit juice in a preserved state. Just a thought.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 08:08 PM by wutone
reply to post by wow23



Those are the same exact words that people in New Orleans probably said before Hurricane Katrina.

Don't expect the niceties of modern life in a first-world country to work 100% of the time.

I live in northern Los Angeles along the San Gabriel mountains. I learned to stock food after the Northridge earthquake. That earthquake was strong but the region has potential for much more powerful earthquakes. I can't expect the government to help me, I can't expect the supermarkets to be stocked, I can't expect a trip to the supermarket to be safe, I can't expect the supermarket food to be edible, I can't even expect the supermarket to be standing.

Don't think that Los Angeles, New Orleans, or some far off third-world land are the only places that can have some disaster that affects food supply. It can happen anywhere.

The reasons to stock up on food are a little more than a possible world food-crisis or an NWO conspiracy. The fact that people just talk about stalking up on food means there are a lot less desperate people when a crisis does occur.

Part of the reason why people have firearms is to protect their food against those that were unprepared and are desperate enough to steal.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 08:13 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by METACOMET



Here is another great water filter, no moving parts, strictly ceramic and gravity fed. As long as we have gravity it should work. It filters a large amount of water and requires little effort. I have the Katadyn Swiss filter and it works great but it is a lot of work to pump enough water to drink for yourself let alone a family.

This filter is super cheap and works great.

shop.monolithic.com...


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 09:40 PM by duffster
reply to post by Ironclad



Mate i don't know what part of oz you are from but Have you been shopping for meat and other stuff in the past few months ??? Price of food has gone past the roof and it's not going to get any better

Sorry about the off topic

I have started my veg garden and going well + i have been buying bulk rice and pasta Can food is next on my list I have 2x rain water tanks 6 thous lt in total

Trying to make the rest of my family understand what is going on in the world and about the times ahead

Not a very ezy task


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