Shame on you Stephen Hawking

reply to post by stumason


" but rather Pilots, Police and Military personnel. "

Who are also screaming for 911 truth as well.

Hawking states his opinion about aliens and everyone freaks and geeks over it simply because it doesn't agree with what they believe.

Trust me, he's probably not losing too much sleep because people here are suddenly "ashamed".

This gets right down to the age old "if you've seen an alien or UFO then you're a crank". Unfortunately when people say "it'll take a UFO landing in front of the whitehouse" they really aren't kidding, that IS what it will take before people take it seriously.

The problem has largely been the lack of scientific evidence. And by scientific I mean evidence collected using scientific method. So you'd basically conduct it like you would the discovery of a new animal species - sampling, biopsy, tracking, etc. And therein lies the rub - being that they are here to analyse US, and that never before has a scientific analyses been conducted for the discovery of a creature more intelligent than us. How does one do something that has never been done before? You form a body of scientists to agree on a method... and is that likely to happen? Nope. Because none of them want to be associated with it.

Pretty sad a man of such brilliance could say something like that.

It's quite obvious that he hasn't done any research. Cause if he had, he would have known that UFO's aren't just seen by "Crank and Weirdos", but by Astronauts, Pilots, Military officials and personnel, government officials, people who work within some branch of politics.

I've also seen official footage from NASA on them. So, I could go on, but ya, you get the point.

reply to post by MouseOnMars


There are several such research groups already active. One of them is MUFON. Another is the Pegasus Research Consortium (Mikesingh's group). There are others as well. ATS's UFO board offers others the opportunity to research in this capacity as well, and many members here take the opportunity to do just that here in a fairly moderated public forum.

If you require an example of such research, please follow the link in my signature.

While you are correct that study has yet to be done on EBEs, there has been MUCH serious research in the fields of the UFO phenomenon, and in the search for ET life on the worlds of our Solar System beyond Earth.

Methods don't necessarily need to be established, the Scientific Method exists. As long as you are developing a hypothesis, and then testing that hypothesis against the evidence available, and seeking out all of the evidence you can find, and applying your results to update your hypothesis...

I call that Science.

-WFA

p.s. Stephen himself as well as noted researchers such as Jim Oberg also study this phenomenon. Nobody calls them crazy. Michio Kaku is another great example.

Well, I think this really does show the most common view among scientists, that aliens and UFOs are false. I think they think this because they know that most people find the idea of aliens and UFOs false as most just wave it away. I think they at least say they don't believe in it is because they'd lose credibility. Many scientists won't even consider it which I think is sad.

Originally posted by ge0rge
Well, I think this really does show the most common view among scientists, that aliens and UFOs are false. I think they think this because they know that most people find the idea of aliens and UFOs false as most just wave it away. I think they at least say they don't believe in it is because they'd lose credibility. Many scientists won't even consider it which I think is sad.

Any public figure who says they saw a UFO or alien loses some credibility. Look at how Kucinich was treated after he admitted his black triangle sighting. I've even heard some people call Buzz Aldrin a "crazy old man".

Kleverone hit the nail on the head.

Extreme genius in one area of life usually leads to being inept at other things. Stephen Hawkings as a physicist = genius. As an Expert on the paranormal not so genius. It's common. At least the guy has some social skills, which is more than can be said about many other physicist.

I still like Stephen for having the balls to go on with his life contently with a horribly disabling condition. And when he is wrong he admits it (in the world of science) he once bought a rival physicist a years subscription to a porno mag for being wrong on an academic bet they both had made.

However he is just ignorant regarding UFO's. I'll cut him some slack.

stupid claim by a mythicized person.....

Well that in terms is hawking's claim and belief, we are all titled to our own so he is entitled to his just as well.

Sure.
But it's not about opinions - it's about lumping together all those who have a different opinion than him and dismissing them in a rude and unnecessarily personal fashion.

(For the record: I am not even into the UFO topic, so it's not as if I were protecting my interests.)

hrmm...
well I do not know if this has been said or not. Steven was wrong in the existance of black holes so long ago... he even lost a bet to another scientist. Admited it himself, since we know black holes are real.. they were once thought of as myths.

Originally posted by kleverone
I believe this is a perfect demonstration of how man can be so intelligent in one area of his life and so ignorant in another. He comments regarding cranks and weirdos only showcases his lack of knowledge on the subject. I would have expected more from Mr. Hawking. I guess this just goes to prove that book smarts and common sense are do not always go hand in hand. My 2 pennies

Well said. Some of the smartest people I know seem to remain in unenviable ignorance about subjects they've never specialized in. Intelligence and common sense are not always synonymous. Too bad, but not suprising really.

J.

"We don't appear to have been visited by aliens," Hawking said, adding that he discounts reports of UFOs. "Why would they only appear to cranks and weirdoes?"

Although he has a right to his opinion that... we don't appear to have been visited by aliens, I think it was in poor taste on his part to generalize "cranks and weirdoes" for everyone. I have no idea if aliens have ever been here, and I have never seen a UFO, but I don't think people are crazy if they believe in them or say they have seen them.

Just my 2 cents.

My appologies if this has already been mentioned, i have read a fair ammount of this thread but havnt seen this.

I would just like to know if we have any other sourcefor this comment before we go getting on our high horses and bashing someone. I read a couple of papers today and obviously this artical, none mentioned or qouted this comment. I have searched several web pages, again with no mention of this, i have searched for a transcript of the speech but to no avail.

I personally would like to have another source before i can take this as read, i will not make my mind up until then.

Edited:

On another note, i was actually considering starting a thread along the lines of Hawkings says life is out there, any person who isnt ignorant should surely realize it is very very unlikely we are alone. Maybe another time eh ;-)



[edit on 23-4-2008 by ioweagle]

I recognized that phrase from a speech he gave at TED:
www.ted.com...

I think he was being facetious -
Let's look again at what he said:

"We don't appear to have been visited by aliens," Hawking said, adding that he discounts reports of UFOs. "Why would they only appear to cranks and weirdoes?"

So, he's starting off by saying it's not OFFICIALLY recognized that aliens have visited us.
Then as a joke, he's using the " cranks and weirdoes" comment as a reason to support his initial position.

So, I'm gonna give his some credit, he was probably trying to make a joke.. only you have to have a 150+ IQ to understand it!

Hard to say, but he appears serious.

A lot of scientists are blinkered and arrogant. I am losing respect for them, and now Hawking. Galileo anyone? History it seems repeats.

He is obviously apprehensive about making a honest statement on that topic, his reputation as a scientist on the line. Although every reasonable person can quickly come to the conclusion that the ufo sightings are nothing more than government black projects and optical illusions, in my opinion.

"WE ARE CONNECTED" BY JONDI AND SPESH ...techno music artists have a sample of hawking durring one of the slower portions of the song hawkings sample goes as follows...

"we are connected.. walk with me through the universe, and along the way see how all of us are connected. fiest the eyes of your soul on the love that abounds in all places at once seemingly endless, like your own existence."

In the past it has been said that those with the knowledge atest to the fact that they dont believe something that they may actually believe in their heart. im not saying that this sample of his actually means he believes. however im sure he does. But the way of the "teacher" is to deny to the student in order to create curiosity so they can decide FOR THEMSELVES whats true and what is false.

Im gonna assume that hawking was responding directly to the questioner and not the masses on this one.

hawking is brilliant

Originally posted by Iseek
Although every reasonable person can quickly come to the conclusion that the ufo sightings are nothing more than government black projects and optical illusions, in my opinion.

That's an interesting statement to make. Would you mind applying it to the Battle of Los Angeles in 1942? I'm having trouble figuring out exactly which 'black project' that could have been...

See my sig if you need to find the thread.

I look forward to your posting in that thread, I always enjoy testing a theory

-WFA

I both believe we have been visited by alien races and that Stephen Hawking is a true genius. One of my favorite quotes by Thomas Jefferson...

"Every human being must be viewed, according to what it is good for; for none of us, no not one, is perfect; and were we to love none who had imperfections, this world would be a desert for our love."

Stephen Hawking is a true genius and is suffering from a horrendous disease that very few of us can remotely imagine. In recent years his ability to communicate has been severely curtailed. I can't imagine what frustration that brings to a man of such genius, desperate for informed, intellectual debate about the big questions of existence. I am willing to forgive him this. Even Einstein who radically changed the world as we know it was known to make a couple of huge blunders (the cosmological constant for example).

Genius doesn't mean infallible. And yes, lets be honest, there are plenty of "cranks and weirdos" that gravitate toward this topic. Hoaxers as well as people searching for otherworldy explanations to the sometimes firghtening, poorly understood earthly happenings in there everyday life. It doesn't lessen the reality of alien visitation, but makes it much more difficult for a novice to sort through genuine evidence. Like I said, I strongly disagree with what Stephen said, but can forgive him the blunder.

Again..."were we to love none who had imperfections, this world would be a desert for our love"