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reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 02:31 PM by tha stillz

Originally posted by RuneSpider
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The idea behind the serial number is not to take away guns, it's to identfiy the shooter. If someone buys ammunition and shoots a fellow, then it's possible to track them with the serial number. Which makes it less likely for someone to do so.
And if you have a real problem with it, you can make your own bullets.
The idea here is not taking them away, but better control of said guns. It used to be the only way to match bullets to guns was the striations made as the bullet left the gun, marking it like a finger print. Now it's numbered.

The idea is to put smaller gun manufacturers out of business, consolidate the industry, and restrict gun ownership among citizens of the US. They use the excuse of being able to track down murderers to sell the idea to the public, but at the end of the day, it is the 2nd amendment and the citizens it is supposed to protect who suffer.

On top of that, I bet money it will have no effect on gun crime.

[edit on 23-4-2008 by tha stillz]

reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 09:05 PM by lazy1981

reply to post by logician magician

Sorry Pal, as always I respect everybody's opinion. However common sense tells a logical thinker that gun control is aimed at law abiding citizens. Seeing as how onlw law abiding citizens will "follow the laws" (see how well critical thinking works). Now, if view it in these terms like any rational person wouldyou would see clear as day that this law is for the sole purpose of monitoring these citizens and not catching criminals.
How in the hell would a cop catch a criminal that murderd somone with stolen ammo? With all due respect most cops can't even catch a cold. Have you ever been robbed? They usually fill out a report and you never hear a word again.

On the flip side lets say that you live alone and have no reason to lock up your ammo and a less than trustworthy "friend" steals some of your ammo and sells it. A murder gets commited and you didn't even have a clue that the rounds were stolen now you have alot of explaining to do and you better hope that they buy your story. That's if you can even account for every second of your time! Your logic is flawed

reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 09:22 PM by lazy1981

reply to post by hybridx

You make some pretty good points, but like I said what if it's aperson who lives alone and a "freind" steals some ammo from him/her. A person like this may or may not keep such vigilance over their ammo or firearm for that matter. I think that you should but alot of people don't. And you will have those that say "your guns and ammo should be kept under lock and key" (hold on home invader let me unlock my gun and ammo and load it first).

reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 09:41 PM by lazy1981

Here's some food for thought. How many of you have applied the idea of global warming to the gun control issue????????

IMO, it wouldn't be a streach if sometime in the near future they implement a sort of ammo rationing or limitation due to the "carbon footprint" of each round fired. Or maybe a tax due to the "carbon footprint" of discharged rounds. We have already heard Senator ZClinton and Al Gore speak before congress and propose taxes according to the carbon footprint left by a certain thing.

Just food for thought.

reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 11:43 PM by logician magician

Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by logician magician

Sorry Pal, as always I respect everybody's opinion. However common sense tells a logical thinker that gun control is aimed at law abiding citizens. Seeing as how onlw law abiding citizens will "follow the laws" (see how well critical thinking works). Now, if view it in these terms like any rational person wouldyou would see clear as day that this law is for the sole purpose of monitoring these citizens and not catching criminals.

The registration process is to monitor the potential criminal within all of us who decide to register a weapon or use registered ammo. What makes you think that all people who register are model citizens who follow the law anyway? Before one is a criminal, one is not. If you are not going to be a criminal, then you have nothing to worry about; however once you attempt to engage in criminal activity, then you should start to worry.

What makes you think this is some type of absolute solution to gun crime? It's obvious that you can purchase a gun on the black market. Depending on where and how these serial numbers are included on rounds, it is reasonable to say that everyone is not going to scrape it off. Likewise, it is reasonable to say that someone is not going to register ammunition in their own name and then sell it to someone else. This merely target a specific demographic and if it causes ONE LESS murder (i.e. YOU) then it worked. You conspiracy types always want a perfect system and reject what is imperfect based on some strange fantasy of government encroachment.

On the flip side lets say that you live alone and have no reason to lock up your ammo

I shouldn't even respond to a premise so stupid. You have a reason to lock up your ammo preceisely because it might be stolen (or at least hidden in a place that you do not reveal to anyone).

If your weapon/ammo is stolen, then your registration/permit should be taken away. If you can't even keep tabs on a deadly weapon then you don't deserve to have one - No Ifs, ands or buts about it. People like that only add to the problem out of ignorance and irresponsibility.

It is quite silly that you would think you would be convicted based on registered ammo alone. There is much more to a crime. Camera's, witnesses, alibis, jobs, records are all taken into account. If you are leaving your registered weapons and bulelts around your house like that than you are a fool. It's that same skewed reasoning that makes the conspiracy lot fearful of DNA testing.

reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 11:25 PM by lazy1981

reply to post by logician magician

Ok, I'll grant you the position that "before anyone was a criminal they were not." However, this seems to be more of a paranoid state of logic than my general distrust for the sort of legislation that we have sadly grown accustom to. The Government has set a trend of encroaching on or liberties.

Just today on my way to work I had to listen about a 73yr old woman in Park Ridge (Chicago suburb) that was threatened with jail time if she continued to feed birds in HER OWN BACK YARD. Now this woman was a survivor of communist forced labor camps back in Soviet Block Europe, she comes to America for what? A little of the same old same old. This is on her property. And it's not like she was harboring a flock or something it was two regular sized feeders. But because Park Ridge now tells you what to do on your own property, hey bully a little old lady around and feel real big about it too.

See my only point is not gun control, it's a multitude of things. We are living in a police state at least to a degree and you either welcome it or do not realize it.

Now back to the issue at hand. Your position is that we should have no problem with big government monitoring our ammunition "for the greater good" because after all before we become criminals we are law abiding (in your words roughly). In that case we are all normal people until we become rapist, sexual deviants of some kind preying on victoms of all walks of life. Maybe we all ought to have our DNA on file too. Or better yet how about thought police????

Ever seen that movie Minority Report where they arrest people based upon what a machine says they are about to do. Must sound like a good idea to you!

You may well want to live in some George Lucas THX 1138 sort of world but I still believe in Americas' core values. Something like "innocent until proven guilty." The fact is that any law that monitors the innocent is implying their guilt in advance. And that doesn't work for me. Nor should it sit well with any true American. Sex offenders, violent criminals, drug dealers, CEO's. Those are the people who shold be monitored. I could think of a President or two.

Say what you will but I get the feeling that you advocate either a loose form of communist ideas or a general police state where privacy and civil liberties are concerned. I've heard this all before, sacrifice privacy and liberties for the common good. Sound a bit like Marx and Engels to me.

By the way would you care to elaborate on which "demographic" it is that this law should be targetting??????

Just what ever are you implying?

And as far as your suggestion that it would take a more solid case to covict a person than just shell casings, sorry. All it took for my friend Jason was "one" so called eye witness (one mans word against another) and he's been sitting in jail for over eight years now on an attempted murder rap. It's so bad that even a "Republican" Governor in IL. put a stop to the deat sentance here because of wrongful imprisonment. Now that's saying something. Our justice system has serious problems.

They don't really care who did it as long as they have a warm body to put in jail for the crime their conviction rate is aok right. And they can go ahead and run for what ever office they want to later on in life touting thoose same bogus credentials. You "must live a sheltered life. Call me a pessimist but I've seen the real world in my time on this planet and it's really damnd ugly when you take off your blinders buddy.... Wake up and smell the BS!

You must not have read my sig. so here you are.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and loose both."
Ben Franklin

reply posted on 24-4-2008 @ 11:52 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by hybridx

Why must you attack me by saying my thought on this are weak?

Don't take it personal, but that one point was a weak argument. Just because I'm not doing anything wrong with it, does not mean I want the government to be able to inventory my ammunition.

The "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry" argument is weak, and deceptive, wether you realize it or not.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the sick, the so-called incurables,
I did not speak out;
because I was not mentally ill.

When they came for the Catholics,
I did not speak out;
because I was a Protestant.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

- attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 03:00 AM by Sovereign797

If they are planning on encoding the casing, then I really don't see a point here. If you are pre-meditating a crime, you'll think, hey, I'll pick up my shell when I'm done or get your hands on some uncoded rounds.

If you're not pre-meditating you will still probably say oh # I better pick up that casing.

So if that's the case then the whole idea is stupid and NOT going to affect crime in any way, only law abiding gun owners.

If they put it on the bullet, well, if it survives they can just do what they always do to identify where a bullet came from, they don't need serial numbers.

reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 07:38 AM by logician magician

Originally posted by lazy1981

Maybe you should check the suburb ordinances for the exact reason why she was threatend rather than make a big deal of of NOTHING. Most suburbs have very strict ordinances and you agree to obied by them after you purchase the property. It has been like that since the birth of the suburban community.

If someone agreed by contract of property to not litter on their front yard in their COMMUNITY, and you heard a report on Alex Jones that said, "OLD LADY HARASSED BY PIG NAZI COP FOR THROWING PLASTIC BAG ON FRONT LAWN" and didn't mention anything about ordanances at all , would you be shocked at the "Police State?" How about the lady arrested for "not taking care of her lawn" on top of not telling the officer her name? She just made things worse for herself.

She could have went to CITY COUNCIL with OTHERS to CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, but NOBODY ELSE in the COMMUNITY agreed. It's a friggin DEMOCRACY, not a POLICE STATE. It's only a POLICE STATE to the anti-social victims who don't participate in the community. People don't want those kinds in a COMMUNITY. Go live in the city, or in the WOODS.

Remember Rome? They would kidnap and drag people to the voting blocks, yes, it was THAT SERIOUS because they didn't want a bunch of anti-social lazies not participating in the system, or else it all falls about and everyone adopts a VICTIM attitude.

The truth is it's not HER OWN BACK YARD because she lives in a COMMUNITY. Ignorance was born when the first man fenced in a piece of land, said, "This is mine!" and people believed him.

Smell the wisdom of the New World Order, because it's coming for you by conquest or consent. Its goal is to rid people of the false notions of ignorance such as personal property, money, selfishness.. yet you grasp at those illusions like a hungry ghost.

In that case we are all normal people until we become rapist, sexual deviants of some kind preying on victoms of all walks of life.

It's good that you realize that. It's a start.

The fact is that any law that monitors the innocent is implying their guilt in advance.
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Sex offenders, violent criminals, drug dealers, CEO's. Those are the people who shold be monitored.

So, how do you know that those people are criminals? Do you just assume that "once a criminal, always a criminal"? Do these people wear giant red badges that say, "Sex offender" or "Drug Dealer" or "Jew"? Are you against or for using RFID on these convicted people? How about your friend who is in prison, should the police have been monitoring the guy who you said lied?

Would you also do away with police patrol and the questioning of suspects? They could be, GASP, *spying* and *harassing* innocents.

By the way would you care to elaborate on which "demographic" it is that this law should be targetting?????? Just what ever are you implying?

I'm implying the denotation of the word. (Can you see where your thought patterns take you yet?)

And as far as your suggestion that it would take a more solid case to covict a person than just shell casings, sorry. All it took for my friend Jason was "one" so called eye witness and he's been sitting in jail for over eight years now on an attempted murder rap.

It would, but we don't have them all yet. We don't have the resources to view crimes from all possible angles. Funny too, I bet the thought police, DNA, RFID, and CCTV would have saved him those eight years. I bet if your friend was "chipped" there would be NO QUESTION AS TO HIS INNOCENCE. How ironic.

Doust thou not see what beauty lurks in the systems you doth protest, O ye of little faith (and lots of paranoia)?

You "must live a sheltered life .... Wake up and smell the BS!

When you've done what I have, you can't respond to that because it's obvious it's coming from somewhat with no brass. Be the victi

[edit on 25-4-2008 by logician magician]

reply posted on 25-4-2008 @ 05:00 PM by chise61

reply to post by logician magician I see that you speak of this NWO as if it's a good thing, is that what they believe in, presuming a person guilty until proven innocent? Because that's what this proposed legislation does, it presumes that everybody that buys ammo has the intent on reselling it to criminals. That could be the only reason for legislation like that as coding ammo most certainly won't stop, or solve any crimes. This country was founded on the belief that people were innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If you are uncomfortable with that concept then maybe it is you that should be living somewhere else. You speak of the ignorance of men putting up fences and proclaiming that the said property is thiers, is this the opinion of the NWO, or just yours? Do you propose that when a person works hard to buy property, ie home, car, etc that it does not really belong to them, and anybody is entitled to take it away, and tell them what they may, or may not do on thier own property

. What about the goverment does thier property belong to them? Did the research called the library, city hall, and the health dept of the city of Park Ridge, they have no ordinances on record that prohibits anyone from feeding birds on thier property. Police patrols and suspect questioning are neccassary in any society, however just as there are many good police officers out there there are also bad ones, and they need to be weeded out and brought under control as they do harrass innocent people. Im curious is this notion of "chipping" people to prove thier innocence the opinion of the NWO, or just yours, because i'm sorry it just seems outrageous to me. A community is a group of people living in the same locality, subject to the same laws, so a city is a community, and some large citys Chicago for example is made up of many small communities, so for you to tell someone to go live in a city as opposed to a community is senseless. Now as far as smelling the wisdom of the NWO, If this NWO considers putting chips into people to monitor and control them as if they were mindless and senseless beings, then again i'm sorry but i don't consider this to be very wise. They are coming for us by conquest, or by consent, well what kind of new world is that, sounds more like a couple old ones to me. You can have it, but not me, not even by conquest! Anyway this thread is about a proposed legislation to code ammo and i have gone way off topic, i believe that there may be a thread or forum that you can go to to discuss this NWO belief of yours, maybe you should find it, if not then i believe that you may be what is referred to as a troll. To the mods, i apoligize for going so far off topic, but i felt the need to respond to some comments. I am truely sorry if i have overstepped any boundaries, I am new here and still in the learning process.

[edit on 25-4-2008 by chise61]

reply posted on 26-4-2008 @ 12:42 AM by lazy1981

Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by lazy1981

Go live in the city, or in the WOODS.

Remember Rome? They would kidnap and drag people to the voting blocks, yes, it was THAT SERIOUS because they didn't want a bunch of anti-social lazies not participating in the system, or else it all falls about and everyone adopts a VICTIM attitude.

The truth is it's not HER OWN BACK YARD because she lives in a COMMUNITY. Ignorance was born when the first man fenced in a piece of land, said, "This is mine!" and people believed him.

Smell the wisdom of the New World Order, because it's coming for you by conquest or consent. Its goal is to rid people of the false notions of ignorance such as personal property, money, selfishness.. yet you grasp at those illusions like a hungry ghost.

The fact is that any law that monitors the innocent is implying their guilt in advance.

So, how do you know that those people are criminals? Do you just assume that "once a criminal, always a criminal"? Do these people wear giant red badges that say, "Sex offender" or "Drug Dealer" or "Jew"? Are you against or for using RFID on these convicted people? How about your friend who is in prison, should the police have been monitoring the guy who you said lied?

Would you also do away with police patrol and the questioning of suspects? They could be, GASP, *spying* and *harassing* innocents.

Doust thou not see what beauty lurks in the systems you doth protest, O ye of little faith (and lots of paranoia)?

When you've done what I have, you can't respond to that because it's obvious it's coming from somewhat with no brass. Be the victi

[edit on 25-4-2008 by logician magician]

Ok, we'll take this slow for those who can't keep up. I'll try to find a city to live in, it's going to be really hard but I'll try, just for you (look at my location).

And yes, I know abit about Rome. Fool yourself if you like, the kidnappings were more about padding the vote than they were about participation. Just like in early America especially in NYC corrupt politicians sent forth their minions to threaten people into voting for them. Going as far as pulling local drunkards off the streets to vote and then cleaning them up with a shave to vote again. Got news for you bud, we are the NEW ROME! Take a look around. The degeneration of the family unit, our military is based around the globe, the left & right politics, rampant corruption, the ever growing canyon between rich and poor. You must truly be blind to the world around you.

As far as the victim attitude goes, self pitty is human nature. That will never change. Everyone has it to a greater or lesser degree. Logicaly it's rediculous, but it is what it is. Some rise above it and others do not. And that's what defines where you go in life.

HMMMMMM, I knew I smelled a Commy! "It's not her back yard." I'm sure she paid for it. In a CAPITALIST SOCIETY that makes it HERS, to do with as she see's fit. Now as I said, if she was causing some Hitchcock type of scenario (The Birds) then I'd agree. But this wasn't the case. So put your hammer and sickle away Stalin, the proletariate haven't found their fearless leader to awaken them from their ignorance yet!

Back to your Communism, I knew I pegged you right. Your a Marxist. No wonder why you can't stand the idea of personal liberties.Communist Maniferto: Plank #1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to "public" purpose. Now, your words, "it's not her backyard, she lives in a COMMUNity. Ignorance was born when the first man fenced in a piece of land and said this is mine." Get over it, you people with your dreams of a Utopic society are so disillusioned. Wheather forced or accepted it can't work, it goes against the vanity that is at the very core of human nature.

Yeah, I'm goingt to go to college for ten years + to make the same pay and live in the same manner as someone with a third grade education that cleans toilets for a living. Why would I bother with the schooling. For the greater good right, sure. Hey, that's all good and noble but very unrealistic. It's the idael society I'm sure but it could never work without a police state mentality. And even then it has been proven to crumble eventualy.

I am an American inside and out, I cheerish my freedom and right to my possessions that I have worked hard for. Furthermore the right to do with them as "I" see fit not some government lapdog would. So you go ahead and lap up the NWO Kool Aid that you have put on a pedestal. That is really pathetic, and that's as far as I'm going to go with that. I will not dignify that sort of thinking with any serious response.

No, it would be absurd to suggest stopping patrols. I feel that police do not patrol enough. To often in Chicago they ignore their assigned beat beacause it's "too dangerous" and I can understand how one would naturally worry about their safety: however, no one ever knoked on their door and asked them to jopin the force. It's a job that's very important and lives are lost when they become derelict in their duties. Then agian I'm sure that you will be able to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about in this case either, seeing as how I only live here and see it with my own eyes.

Yes, you can mark sex offenders however you wish. They are sick in the head and there's no way to fix it. THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN. Provided it's a "caught red handed" sort of thing. Not a case of some kids get together in highschool, are a year or two apart and when senior year rolls around one of them gets charged with statutory. That's just rediculous. I pesronaly feel that they should receive the death sentance if it's a case that had absolutly no chance of being wrong. They are predatory degenerates and a waist of space.

You still have yet to tell me what "demographic" should be targeted? Don't be cowardly about it. Your side stepping with your "denotations" speak your mind.

I'd also like to know where your referance to "Jew" came from????? What's that all about.

If you are implying that you are or were in law enforcement, "someone with no brass" I'm sorry totell you that the walk of life that you come from has little to nothing to do with what you are aware of in life. It comes from personal experience. Mostly with other people and how the human mentality

reply posted on 26-4-2008 @ 01:12 AM by lazy1981

reply to post by logician magician

works. Wheather it be politcs, society, or just life as a whole. I'm sorry to tell you this but I know a few people in law enforcement and they vary in personality, knowledge, wisdom, experience, and common sense just like your average every day break your back factory worker. And believe it or not common sense is the one thing that you either have or you don't it's a quality that is worth more than you think. Read all the books you like if you don't have common sense your screwed.

The real point is that your badge imparts you with no extra portion of the afore mentioned qualities. It's just that you did one of two things, 1. chose to serve your community or 2. wanted to feel powerful and collect a paycheck while you were at it. It's that simple. And don't say it isn't I know both sorts. One is a noble deed and the other, reprehensible.

See in my meager years on this earth I've seen, experienced, learned, and (at the risk of sounding vain) become wise beyond my years. This is not to say that I have reached the apex of such things or are far supperior to all else. It's just to say that trough my environment, upbringing, schooling, and hardships I have developed the mental capacity to see beyond the shroud of every day life. And the "everything's ok" pesrsona that the propagandist would have you believe. I see things for what they are. Not what they could be in some Utopic world. Or what they want you to beleive. But, then again, " I don't have the brass" so I don't know. Your the type of cop that makes others look bad.

I would also like to say, for a person to assume that only they have the capabilities to understand a thing surely demonstrates their lack of the ability to do so properly.

reply posted on 26-4-2008 @ 01:35 AM by ben91069

This can't be good. Now if you don't want to get caught you will have to shoot people with shotguns or razor tipped arrows.

reply posted on 26-4-2008 @ 06:47 AM by logician magician

Originally posted by lazy1981
You must truly be blind to the world around you.

Have you ever been out of the United States? You sound like the typical sheltered American who hasn't seen the rest of the world. How many countries have you honestly visted, or lived in? Is your "world" just your "neighborhood?" I've travelled the world and have seen true human suffering, and I doubt you have with all of in inane complaining about a "Police State." It's completely laughable. You just exactly like like a sheltered, selfish, delusional, self-loathing person.

As far as the victim attitude goes, self pitty is human nature.

"Self-pity is a psychological state of mind of an individual in perceived adverse situations who has not accepted the situation and does not have the confidence nor ability to cope with it. It is characterized by a person's belief that he or she is the victim of events and is therefore deserving of condolence."

I don't have self-pity, but I do have compassion for you who think that self-pity is human nature. Self-pity is fostered by the victim mentality. You think your life is harder than everyone elses? Do you come to ATS to get condolences from other fellows with your disposition??

HMMMMMM, I knew I smelled a Commy! "It's not her back yard."

Read a book.

Yeah, I'm goingt to go to college for ten years + to make the same pay and live in the same manner as someone with a third grade education that cleans toilets for a living. Why would I bother with the schooling.

Life must be hopeless. I'm sorry.

however, no one ever knoked on their door and asked them to jopin the force.

What are the implications behind that statement, exactly?

You still have yet to tell me what "demographic" should be targeted? Don't be cowardly about it. Your side stepping with your "denotations" speak your mind.

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I'd also like to know where your referance to "Jew" came from????? What's that all about.

This just shows me that you are just looking for things to nitpick and complain about. You might want to do a mental inventory as to why you do this in real life and online so much. A little introspection and awareness never hurt anyone. As far as "Jew," remark goes, where do you think it came from?

dem·o·graph·ic [dèmmə gráffik]
adjective

of human populations: relating to demography or demographics

What do you think I mean by that, exactly?

If you are implying that you are or were in law enforcement, "someone with no brass" I'm sorry totell you that the walk of life that you come from has little to nothing to do with what you are aware of in life. It comes from personal experience. Mostly with other people and how the human mentality./

Actually, the "You have no brass," remark was aimed at the self-loathing demeaner.

reply posted on 26-4-2008 @ 06:59 AM by logician magician

Originally posted by lazy1981

And believe it or not common sense is the one thing that you either have or you don't it's a quality that is worth more than you think. Read all the books you like if you don't have common sense your screwed.

Thanks for the adolecent wisdom. I feel as if I've reverted back to childhood.

Your the type of cop that makes others look bad.

Common sense for ya, eh?

I would also like to say, for a person to assume that only they have the capabilities to understand a thing surely demonstrates their lack of the ability to do so properly.

This coming from the guy whos self-description includes, "wise beyond his years [and has] developed the mental capacity to see beyond the shroud of every day life."

I think what has really happened is that you've developed the mental capacity to only be subjugated intp the shroud of your personal perception of everyday life. In Eastern philosophy, we'd say you have been overcome by your ego; In modern psychology, we'd say you are using Freudian projection as a defense mechanism for your lack of ability to cope with everyday events.

reply posted on 27-4-2008 @ 08:47 AM by outrageousfortune

The only gun control you need is the type you aquire by shooting your piece regularly and in an efficient way. The other control is for the Nazis. Perhaps some inclined reader remembers the Nazis' gun laws where only carriers of the party book had the right to buy and carry firearms. Jews were disarmed as well as all other 'unwanted' lifeforms.

Get yourselves some bullet moulds from Lee, the six-cavity-ones being the most efficient. In two hours you can turn out at least 1500 bullets without hurrying. And once the cartridges are finished, store them wisely, i.e. not all in the same place. Bullets not used in the commission of crimes shouldn't pose any problems according to this new law, but to have them in time of need ...

Always remember: In the early days groups of homo sapiens sapiens organized into societies and elected politicians to defend them against the outside world. Today the elected politicians defend their own interests against their electorate.

The 'End of the world' faction propagate mythical and very imaginative hogwash to manipulate society's mindset. Telling the people time will soon be ending - methods of communication vary - you force the less stable ones into blowing their cover and committing some stupid mistakes. Or they remain on their knees in whimpering procrastination before their imagined authorities called god, any ...isms, you choose).

Somebody wants the whole cake! It depends on you whether you will be a bystander, an accessory or a victim in these machinations. Time is not going to end, FREEDOM is!

To put it bluntly: How can you tell a politician is lying? Answer: When he's moving his lips.

Take care.

reply posted on 27-4-2008 @ 05:19 PM by jackinthebox

reply to post by outrageousfortune

reply posted on 29-4-2008 @ 12:25 AM by lazy1981

Originally posted by logician magician

As far as "Jew," remark goes, where do you think it came from?

dem·o·graph·ic [dèmmə gráffik]
adjective

of human populations: relating to demography or demographics

What do you think I mean by that, exactly?

Actually, the "You have no brass," remark was aimed at the self-loathing demeaner.