Maybe because you're a layman trying to establish causal relationship where it may not exist using graphs that do not directly show HAARP activity, but atmostpheric activity. And this coming from a guy that believes something about HAARP is fishy, and that we are actively pursuing weather manipulation.

Originally posted by _Del_
And this coming from a guy that believes something about HAARP is fishy, and that we are actively pursuing weather manipulation.

And you honestly think we are not? I suggest you look into Dr. Eastlunds' patents regarding the technologies associated with HAARP. Weather manipulation is not sci-fi as much as you want to be! (as you have been told) Think about the economy and the energy costs that are currently dooming it, specifically home heating/cooling energy costs. You think if you had the technology to make the season of spring (a gradual cold to warm change) disappear and keep people spending more money (while being more profitable than ever) to heat or cool their homes during extreme cold or warm weather trends, that they wouldn't? Come on, wake up, the Russians have been documented as modifying our weather 40 years ago! This is nothing new, other than the "home team" is now the enemy !

No. If I was unclear, let me help.

I think we are actively pursuing weather modification and something is fishy about HAARP.

I was referring to me. Sorry if it was ambiguous.

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by danman23
Hey Essan,

If you read all my posts you would see that I am a website designer, I started studying these graphs about 2 days ago

I think that answers my point In 2 days, with no training and no prior knowledge of the subject, you've become an expert in interpreting ionospheric activity data.

I didn't say Im and expert. I even said.. why don't you find an expert and see what he says? I do understand them now though. The reason I do is because I studied the explanation given on HAARP's website. I know computer programming and can build a website better than ATS in less than a day.. my mind is strong I can grasp things most cannot. I'm not saying I am genius or anything but I have a young strong mind.

IMO you're looking at graphs of ionospheric activity above one point on the earth and drawing wholly unfounded conclusions about its effect on other points on the earth.

If you understood the graphs at all you would see that the waves are being emitted from the ground and are spiraling in a circle above HAARP until they release the energy with a blast of plasma to cause whichever disaster they want. It's that simple.

If you wish to verify your conclusions may I suggest comparing the graphs with activity over a number of days, and, indeed, on the same dates in previous years. Also compare with activity elsewhere in the world.

If you can then find something truely anomalous in the graphs you have been posting, you may have a point.

I will do that...

You may also care to explain to us - as alluded to in some of your other posts - how ionospheric activity above Alaska impacts on cloud cover over the contiguous USA - bearing in mind such activity is many many miles above the troposhpere as well as hundreds of miles aways from the areas allegedly affected.

I never alluded anything.. First off. I don't need to make you believe me for it to be the truth.. you are not God. (You even call your self a disinfo agent) I do not need you distracting the purpose of the thread here. Actually I would like it if you stopped being so negative. You don't live in the arae around the New Madrid fault line so your life is not at risk here. "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" you are just trying to get people who are reading this thread to think I don't know what I'm talking about. You have in no way pointed to the graphs I presented and said.. this is why you are wrong. You just keep saying I am too stupid to know they mean.

I never alluded trying to explain " how ionospheric activity above Alaska impacts on cloud cover over the contiguous USA" it's been a long few days but I dont think that was even asked. And again, I am NOT AN EXPERT. But I'll put my 2 cents in. They pump waves out of HAARP and then use a plasma beam to send it in a certain direction through the ionosphere to where they want to use the energy.

Now Essan... like I said earlier please drop the negativity. I do not want this to start into a bickering match. What is more important is the information presented. Millions of lives are at risk. Don't you see that? If we have a chance to prevent that let's do something about it. Not just sit in this frickin forum and go back and forth on whether I understand graphs or not. The fact that the spiral cloud sat over the epicenter last week is enough to start asking the government questions. The graphs are just the sugar on top.

How about this.. don't take my word for it.. take the graphs at the bottom of page 4 and present them to a high up in the Military.. ask them what they think.

Peace

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Originally posted by _Del_
Maybe because you're a layman trying to establish causal relationship where it may not exist using graphs that do not directly show HAARP activity, but atmostpheric activity. And this coming from a guy that believes something about HAARP is fishy, and that we are actively pursuing weather manipulation.

Actually.. If you look at the graphs you can see they the waves and plasma beams are being emitted form ground level at the HAARP location and spiral upwards towards the ionosphere then when they want to cause the disasters they shoot a plasma beam, take last weeks earth quake as an example, at the spiraling waves and push those waves in the direction they want. (the yellow indicates South South East direction... directly towards the epicenter.)

[edit on 25-4-2008 by danman23]

Originally posted by danman23

I didn't say Im and expert. I even said.. why don't you find an expert and see what he says? I do understand them now though.

But how can you know that? Have you discussed this with those involved in ionospheric research - though I guess since they may have taken many years or decades to learn what you claim to know, maybe there's little point?

If you understood the graphs at all you would see that the waves are being emitted from the ground and are spiraling in a circle above HAARP

Okay, stop you there.

That's what you say. Those who have been learning about this for decades say it's due to the solar wind interacting with the ionosphere. So how can you be so sure you are right and the experts are wrong?

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm trying to point out that just like someone attempting brain surgery after spending just 2 days reading a text book, rather than years of surgical study, you may not be right

btw here's the latest ionospheric graph from Chilton. Not very impressive. I have no idea what it means. Maybe you could explain it?

Essan, your signature...it just kills me.

I think the tower theory is stretching it, and I think Columbia is just stretching it even more.

While I agree the idea has it's probability and such (guys forgive me if this goes too far off topic), some of the people are so paranoid about the world it's not even funny, they're scared of everyone, and think everyone is out to get them. It's quite frankly turned absurd lately.

For some reason people don't think there have ever been major hurricanes, or tsunamis, or earthquakes, people don't think there have been terrorist extremists, they don't think there have been floods, mudslides, they don't think anyone has ever tried to hijack and airplane, or that there have been corrupt leaders. We've even had a shuttle crash before.

They think all of this stuff is brand spankin' new, when in fact, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, it is NOT. It just stuns me to believe that some people take things so far, it's just amazing. The only difference between now and then is some of these things are preventable, IE: Katrina, and probably even 9/11, if the guy checking them at the airport had some common sense. Flooding, why would you build your house on the river? To see the pretty "water when the sun shines on it", it's only pretty until that water takes your house down to the state border line, without your authorization.

As I said, I believe the earthquake has it's potential to be apart of a HAARP experiment, I will not argue with that, because that seems perfectly plausable, it was a weak earthquake, in a faulted area, Madrid. A location where there will be eventually a "big one", but look at it this way too, they obviously didn't want to hurt anyone, or they would have...there were no injuries, there wasn't really any damage, it just woke people up and threw some toilet paper off the shelf.

There was an additional earthquake the following day at 4.8, I'd be interested to see if HAARP had any charges for these. But something else to note is, we live on earth, and just how earth appears to be spinning on the outside, it's moving around on the inside too. I don't ask for the theory to be dismissed, but I do want to point out the fact that things are not always created by other people. Everyone is not out to get you. (Not talking about any one in particular btw).