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Neo-Nazis Clash With Protesters

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posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You're not averse to socialistic, genocidal tyranny?


Just want to point out, you know to deny ignorance. These nazi's are NOT socialists.

National socialism is fascism, NOT socialism.

Hitler named his party national 'socialist' to convince the workers that he was for them. History shows this was not true. Hitler despised communists and socialists, that's why he attacked Russia. He was extremely right wing.

Also you talk about communism being destructive. I'd love to see some proof of this, and no the USSR was not communist and neither is China.

People first need to learn that governments lie about what they stand for. As long as we have government, whatever it calls itself, we will never have true liberty in any form. Government controls the slave society we live in.

You all really need to learn what these political terms mean. Socialism is not communism is not fascism and is not 'national socialism'.

The only true Socialism is 'Libertarian Socialism', which stands for freedom for all, capitalism is freedom for the privileged.

Read if you really want to learn


Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

Source




posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck





I have seen some of your posts about Hungary, concerning, especially since you blame Jews for all your problems.


Well. After they just stolen and lied in the past six years and put my dear country to the edge of collapse under this time, while we were the number one in the region six years ago and now we're the last one... well, who else that we can blame? The U.F.O.s? No. We're blaming those ones whose causing the real trouble here. And those guys are the Jews (Actually they caused all the problems before, so we're not surprised. Betrayal? Stealing? Lies? That's escorting them throughout our common history, because they did it continuously. As one of our king mentioned hundreds of years ago (Actually he also put these words into our law.), never let Jews into official positions, because they cannot deny their own blood and start to steal and will ruin the country. He was right. The next king deleted this law and the Jews immediately collapsed our economy, so the next king is brought the law back and voila, it was the next golden age of Hungary. No Jews = No problems. They're the destroyer of the countries and Europe just felt this in the last years (Because this phenomena is not unique in Europe. Few former Soviet countries are intended to banish them. The Jews are rather escaping from France to Israel, because people are intending to lynch them, because they also stolen and ruined that country. And there are few who recognized this problem in the United States, but day by day many are joining them.).



Right, but just because those who where protesting the Nazi flag, does not make them Jewish?


Puppets of the Jews, whose still believing that those warmongering Demon lover monkeys are still the chosen people and have every right to do what they do all the time and that the Holocaust and other fairy tales what they invented are really existed.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline

Puppets of the Jews, whose still believing that those warmongering Demon lover monkeys are still the chosen people and have every right to do what they do all the time and that the Holocaust and other fairy tales what they invented are really existed.



Still blaming others for your own inadequacies I see DC, you really ought to stop listening to that angel or is it demon that keeps you company.

You see the need for change, then go out there and make it. Don't pin it on a scapegoat or shift your own incompetency onto those with the wherewithall to rule the sheep that you so obviously are. You are no different to the Arrow Cross Party who fell in with Hitler just so they could murder the Jews of Hungary and steal their property. You will always be over-ruled by someone because you will always find someone to blame. You do realise that the defence of the 'angel made me do it' will not stand up in court but I'm sure it will gain you popularity in the asylum until the white-supremists you support come to gas you too.

Why can't you understand that you and those like you are the problem not the Jews? Hate will always breed hate, and the weak of mind will always find others to blame, you are a living testament to that.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 06:02 AM
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Kilgore. It's you again? Why don't you simply bug out. You can't win this.

You don't live here. You don't know what is going on. Some normal Jews, because there are very few, are also saying and made a written statement few week ago that the existence of the Jews are causing the trouble on the entire planet and that's why my beloved country is in economical ruins. It's not blaming. It's the damned fact. Those very few, whose are normal are also admitted it.

Plus, what is my connection to the Holocaust or the Arrow Party? Nothing. I was born thirty years ago. So stop bothering me with something what I didn't commit, nor my generation committed at all. Plus, thieving their property? The Jews stolen the land of my family, so don't tell me bulls*it, pretty please. Thanks.

My country is usually a peaceful country, but when the Israel P.M. is saying that now the Jews have enough influence in my country and few other countries and they're on the good way to buy it and conquer it... so damn it, I'm not going to tolerate that. It's not a Jewish land and it never will be. And it's not in the past, this one is in the present. Jews are living in the past, I live in the present. And unfortunately, most of the Jews turned to Nazis. See Israel. Killer terrorists, whose are preaching peace, but causing all the trouble in the Middle East. Period.

By the way... how Angels are coming here now? But that's true that they, at least the Zionist are believing only in Demons. They're also supporting pedophilia, they wanted to add this into our law, such as the legality of drugs. They're also supporting thieving, and they're lie continuously. So after all of this, don't tell me that I don't have any right to speak about this, because unlike the Jews, not I'm the one who is covering my acts with the fabricated past. I'm proving my acts with the present events. And if the present events are showing that they're the ones, whose are causing all the trouble, geez, I dare to tell the truth, regardless do you, Mr. Sheep like this or not.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 06:05 AM
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To be honest;

The nazi racist ideology originated from the USA. Its "scientific" background was developed at Cold Spring Harbour with the money from Rockefellers, Carnegies and Harrimans. The ideology was then injected into German academia via grants and paid professorships.

Just a reminder where all the Nazi ideology came from.




[edit on 22-4-2008 by northwolf]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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Ahh you remember me I'm touched.

You're a funny guy.

Bad people come in all shapes and sizes, ethnicities and religions. You do indeed live in a beautiful country, if you want it to stay that way then you have to act, but if you think that one single ethnic group is responsible for the misery then you are sorely mistaken and on the road to no-where.

Money, greed, avarice, you name it, this is what is to blame, not judaism. I don't want to win any argument with you, you only believe what you want to believe and you are closed to anything that interferes with that. The 'jews' cannot conquer you, though some 'jews' may be corrupt and seek power, it is not because they are jews it is because they are bad people. Just as some may call themselves protestant or catholic or muslim or sikh. Do you think that any of these people are honouring their 'god's' will. They are just greedy and manipulative and will play on your fear of the Jews to keep you from realising that you are sitting on your backside waiting for someone else to save you. Doing nothing in the meantime.

If you think that Jews spread Paedophilia...well what can I say...get out more. Once again all shapes and sizes mate. If you want change, stand up and be counted and attempt to make a difference. Blaming one ethnic group for the actions of many individuals is futile and foolish.

All the best



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 07:07 AM
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Unfortunately those ones, whose are making all of this are telling that they're Jews. There are not a single Catholic, Muslim or others between them. If there would be, don't worry, I would blame them too. So in this case tell me, whose fault is this? Jews, whose became greedy and power hunger when they got into a position and started to spread the corruption since they're there. As I mentioned above not all of them are evil, but there are very few. The rest, they're supporting lies and delusions. If the rest wouldn't support them, I swear I would have no problem with them. But when they're provoking us (And these are the civ Jews), and proudly telling us that the Hungarian is a race, which will extinct soon, because they're intend to wipe us out... tell, me, what should I believe? That they're normal? Don't think so. And after this, they're the enemy of the state. I believe it's really simple.

After a Jew wanted to take pedophilia into our law as a legal element, because by his belief, he regarded to this, Judaism is accepting this, please tell me, why is not their fault?

And yes. Budapest is the pearl of Europe (The Jews already calling it as Judapest, because they believe it's theirs. Hahaha.). Budapest is one of the beautiest country on the world. I don't want to see being ruined by some idiots, whose are believing that they can do everything with money. They also wanted to demolish our five hundred years old castle wall, which is our heritage, because they're telling us... geez, it's not in the law that we cannot do that. They also wanted to destroy our national statue (But since we told them that in this case they will be banished from the country with their holo-memorial, synagogue and other things, they stopped immediately.). They cannot do anything as they believe. And if they're messing with the Hungarians, they're starting to mess with the wrong nation this time. If they want to live in peace, be it. But until they want to control everything here, want to ruin our nation, there is no chance for peace.

I'm blaming one ethnic group, because they're the ones, whose are making this. If there would be another ethnic group on the rooster, I would blame them too. But there is only one. So I blame those ones, whose are making the troubles.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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DC and Kilgore you are both going way off topic. That will cease now; the topic is a demonstration in Washington DC please discuss that.

Thank you,
gallopinghordes



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by xmotex
I can't blame anyone for attacking a bunch of Neo-Nazis.
Frankly if they'd been shooting at the Nazis instead of yelling at them, I'd respect them more.


I can only assume you do not live in the U.S.... if you do, it's obvious you do not acknowledge others rights, when their opinions differ than your own. Hell... just shoot 'em
Gauranteed, you'll be on the 'unpopular side' of some issue one day yourself... so, I guess it's ok for any protesters to shoot you?


stikkinikki wrote:

a) Nazis suck and should be removed from positions of power.


That's fine... tack on the Zionists/Jews while you are at it, as well. They are certainly more destructive to U.S. than this group of Nazis is.

And for any of the 'racial' connotations thru this thread... some folks addressed it already, but this was solely about illegal immigration. I am 100% with them on this view. The flow of illegals needs to stop, but it's the whole SPP/NAU thing, imo, is why they are over-running this country, in the West specifically... it's like Bush and Calderone have told them all they have a 'free pass' now.

I do think it would be difficult to deport all the illegals already here, so I suggest the border needs secured first... and then deal with the illegals that are here. But the flow needs stopped first. I'm not a big proponent of the 'fence' solution, as it is not a sound idea financially nor ecologically. At current, I do not have, nor have heard, the answer to this part of the problem yet. Once that is done, though, then the illegals can be offered a path tro citizenship... which includes learning the English language. Too much money is wasted in this country accomodating non-English speaking illegals OR citizens with their own set of forms, phone menus, voting ballots/machines, etc. for their language. I am VERY fed up with having to "press 1" for English


Also pointed out... good and bad in every race... but, also, good and bad in everyone... no matter the race, creed, color or religion.

I would like to note my philosophy on this, which is very similar to Hal Turners, believe it or not... certainly meaning no disrespect to anyone and I will put up the short list here... but if the shoe fits...

There are Latinos and then there are Spics...
There are Blacks/African-Americans and there are Niggers...
There are Jews and there are Kikes (I think these could now be referred to as Zionists)...
And, of course the White race always has to have more (and, yes, I am "white")... so, there are Whites/Caucasians and there are White Trash, Wiggers, and some may include Rednecks.
Oh... and I forgot the Asians (among others, I gotta' stop somewhere)... so, there are Asians and there are Bad Drivers


So lump it into a large group of "humans" and ya' got your good and you bad in all races and in everyone, as noted above. It usually boils down to "upbringing" from your parents. And there is one of the largest problems in this country. The kids are "brought up" by others, thru the state, as parents sluff off their responsibilities more and more, due to one reason or another. Not laying blame solely on the parents out there. It's just another part of the overall agenda. Oooops! Way off topic now...

Apologies to Mods I will reitterate above and request back to topic of this post, which was more along the lines of above in bold. I assume, however, my 'philosophy' may drag it back off track. Please read it carefully before you decide to attack it.

[edit on 4/22/2008 by RabbitChaser]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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National socialism is fascism, NOT socialism.


Whether or not Nazism was Fascist or not, is highly debatable .. most scholars would actually say it is a "type" of Fascism, but not a "real" fascist government .. more or less, it was a government that reflected a few Fascist ideas, but then again, I have never seen a pure government.

Nazism however WAS Socialist, just a bit on the totolitarian side of things, but also mixed with a fervor of Nationalism ..

But that still makes it Socialist, because Socialism is government action of economy and production, where as Fascism is to put it under the control of corporatism (see US). Why do you think a Socialist Government cannot also be Nationalist? Makes sense to me..

Even Stalin's Communist USSR was deeply entrenched in the same form of Nationalism as Hitler's Germany.



He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.


Racism and Eugenics are not qualities of the Conservative "right" ideology.. Almost every single Left leaning totalitarian government has practiced Eugenics of some sort.

As for Capitalism, that is individual control over production, however, the government essentially owned the means of production where if it needed something, factories would be converted to produce what the state needed..

Does not sounds like Capitalism to me.. it was no different then the USSR.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Nazism however WAS Socialist, just a bit on the totolitarian side of things, but also mixed with a fervor of Nationalism ..


Sorry but you are wrong. The nazi party was not socialist in any form, it was nationalist which is a form of fascism. which was influenced by Italian fascism.

You are getting confused with terms. Look at what they did not what they called themselves. Socialism is workers control, was there any of that in nazi Germany? No.

Sry but the nazi's were fascist. You are right no system is 100%, but to call nazism socialist is like calling America socialist because no system is 100%. But Hitler was far from socialism, that was a myth created by conservatives.


To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.

The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.

However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer. Misnomers are quite common in the history of political labels. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which was neither) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's "Liberal Democrat" party (which was also neither). The true question is not whether Hitler called his party "socialist," but whether or not it actually was.


Sry but Hitler belongs on your side of the fence right wingers...


Also with the genocide thing, again these are not a socialist countries you're talking about, read above, names mean nothing actions do and if they are killing people they are not socialist.
If there is a central government running things then the country is NOT socialist no matter what it calls itself, again actions make a country not its name.

Just because a country isn't capitalist doesn't mean they're socialist either. But having said that what country is not capitalist? Even communist Russia was.

You guys need to really learn what socialism really is and forget the years of conditioning you've received from the state telling you its evil. Those telling you its evil have a vested interest in keeping you a slave to their system, otherwise their system doesn't work. Socialism puts the power in your hands, and workers (you) would benefit from receiving the true worth of your labour.

[edit on 22/4/2008 by ANOK]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 12:57 PM
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Concerning illegals already here, I heard and was swayed by the views of this man. The no fence issue I have aligns with someone else (unsure whom, at the moment), but we gotta' do something and this makes the most sense. Granted, he doesn't offer the plan to actually get it done, but I'm sure he whittled down his Issues webpage (and it still prints out 6 pages long).


*Illegal Immigration- I support securing our borders. We must first secure our borders to control the entry into our country of foreigners who pose a threat to the security, health, property or economic well-being of Americans. We must secure our borders before we can deal with the issue of how to deal with illegal immigrants already in our country.


I have also heard him speak of giving the ones already here (non-criminal, possibly stated) a path to citizenship after the border issue is accomplished. That includes them being required to learn English, so all this tax-payer money isn't unecessarily spent/wasted on printing dual language forms for everything and dual language 'menus' with phones. I will concede the border would need secured quickly, as to not be completely over-run by those trying to beat some 'deadline' of a Pres. getting into office. But G-dumb has had almost 7 years since 911 to secure our borders and our ports. Neither has been remotely accomplished. But, frankly, aren't we being over-run already anyway?

BTW -- he lists "illegal immigration" under the category of "STRONG on national defense and war on terror." Rightfully so.

When those illegals took down an American flag in CA awhile back and put up a Mexican flag in it's place, there was ample reason for them to be shot on the spot, as that was a blatant act of war, imo.

[edit on 4/22/2008 by RabbitChaser]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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I can only assume you do not live in the U.S.... if you do, it's obvious you do not acknowledge others rights, when their opinions differ than your own.


Yeah please, I'm going to "respect the rights" of a bunch of genocidal freaks.

Screw them - anyone who chooses to follow in the path of the Nazis deserves a 7.62mm lobotomy.

I am generally fairly tolerant of a wide variety of beliefs, but I draw the line at Neo-Nazis, whom I have had my fair share of violent encounters with in the past. They are scum, on the same moral level as child molesters.

I suppose you'll lecture me for being "intolerant" of child molesters too


(EDIT: Actually I'm being unfair to child molesters here - awful as they are they don't generally advocate genocide. Nazis do.)

[edit on 4/22/08 by xmotex]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Yeah please, I'm going to "respect the rights" of a bunch of genocidal freaks.
Screw them - anyone who chooses to follow in the path of the Nazis deserves a 7.62mm lobotomy.
I am generally fairly tolerant of a wide variety of beliefs, but I draw the line at Neo-Nazis, whom I have had my fair share of violent encounters with in the past. They are scum, on the same moral level as child molesters.


Too funny. The comparison is not even close. The molesters do something brutally illegal and have victims, much more like your thoughts in that 2nd line above.

The thread, if you recall, was about the neo-nazis legal rally, disrupted by violent protesters. There were no neo-nazis arrested. Regardless of your feelings about them, this was about some people in this country actually getting out there and making their voices heard about an issue that negatively affects us all as Americans. I certainly don't condone any violence thhey may participate in. However, I will direct you to my above noted 'philosophy' and say the same of the neo-nazis. I'm sure there are many with this movement who will not commit violence, but who do condone it or do nothing to stop it.

Much like it appears you would do. It is no wonder you've had your 'fair share' of violent encounters with them. Maybe you just need to start your own hate group...



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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You do know that socialism means that government (thus people in ideal case) controls the manufacturing assets. In 3rd Reich all control over major industry was ceded to the government. (alltough private ownership was retained, but owners had no control over their business) Thus germany was socialistic under Hitlers rule.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 02:54 PM
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Too funny.

An apologist for Nazi's getting all bent about "violence"


I am not a pacifist, and Nazi's are my enemies and far more of a threat to me and mine than any illegals ever are, were, or will be.

I will always respond to them with violence, because violence is the core of their philosophy, and the only language they truly understand.

If they were conducting a "non-violent protest", it's only because they know that if they used violence they are outgunned and would get their behinds kicked all the way back to their trailers...

Kill 'em all... preferably with Zyklon B.
Turnabout is fair play...



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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ANOK is the same guy who believes that not only would Anarchy be a possible form of government (contradiction) but also the best form of government.. I think its safe to say that he would not be called a reliable source for information on how governments work.

He doesn't want Nazi's to be viewed as Liberal Socialist .. I believe it has more to do with a personal reflection then anything else.

xmotex:

I hate genocidal freaks to! So lets kill them all!

I hope you see the ignorance in such a philosophy, violence begets violence, and you despise those who believe killing achieves perfection, and so you would kill them to achieve your own perfect society.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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By the way, just thought I would point this out:
From ANOK


Sry but Hitler belongs on your side of the fence right wingers...


Which entirely proves my point. Thank you ANOK.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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YOU ARE A NAZI!!!
How can you be mad about people trying to get a better life in this country. It is not their fault that the police transporting them back to whatever #hole they came from are being attacked by protestors. You know what illegal immigrants do alot for our economy. But you know what that isn't the biggest problem it is yet another diversion tactic!!!!



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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An apologist for Nazi's getting all bent about "violence"


Odd... I don't recall them getting "bent" about the violence. It looked like the cops were the ones who took umbrage.

Feel free to respond, but you have yet to make any 'point' that I haven't squashed, so I will disengage.

(Now onto something more challenging... off to grab my shotgun and find a barrel of fish...)


[edit on 4/22/2008 by RabbitChaser]



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