Originally posted by DJMessiah
bknapple, how far did you and your girlfriend camp from the Area 51 location/border?

Could you please give the camera model/name that you used?

Does your camera use film, a memory card, or internal hard drive to store its videos on?

Have you visited the same location to camp at, or do you select a new location?

When you said you heard the noise of a "big gun being made ready to fire," was it the sound of a shotgun, or a magazine being put into a rifle?

The camera that was in your tent, why was it focused on your camp site, rather than at the sky? Were you expecting for them to come to your camp?

You mentioned that you went to that inn to get some drinks. Why did you not go back there, rather than sleep on a popped mattress that night?

These will answer other posters questions, but this guy atleast asked without outright accusing me of lying about a stupid camping trip.

1. We camped about a half mile away from the border. There is a turn off on GRL that leads to campfire hill. We camp at the base of campfire hill directly next to the road, you cant miss it.

2.The camera was a Panasonic SDR-SW20S, im sure you can google it. ( had to search through receipts to find the specific panasonic. lol)

3. The camera was using a SD card.

4.We have gone to the same location every time. Even some of our old stakes we couldnt get out of the tough ground are still there now.

5. Couldnt tell ya what the big gun noise was. Im no expert but I know they have big guns, and I know it was the sound I hear in the movies. So I put two and two together.

6. As said before, the camera is for security sake. If the camera were to get stolen, then theres no point for it. But In case my hiding it works, I can see who did what, and if there are other campers in the area, I can figure things out. Its hard to camp by area 51 without being noticed. I also said before that we never bring the camera hoping to find something in the sky. If something were to happen to look really cool, I might use the camera for that. But after this event, anything I took footage of, if it were important enough, wouldprob not stay with me for very long.

7. The reason we did not go back there was 2 fold. first, we would have to take down the camp site. I suppose we could of skipped that and come back for it in the morning.... But that point is moot because we left the Inn at closing. Had we come back, it would have been after they closed. This was in the middle of the week and the Inn closes up shop around 8 or 830 depending on who is left. As we were the last customers leaving ,we assumed they closed up pretty much as we left.

Hope that helped....

I really don't get how this thread is still active...
Let's face it, his story has more holes than a celebrity sex tape.

1.
You leave a camera at your campsite, recording while your away?
First of all how much do you make a year? Are you a Sales Exec? I'm betting you don't even have a part time job... yet your expensive video camera means jack all to you?

Who would leave a video camera they paid for at a campsite while their gone?
Honestly, were you hoping to catch some Yeti Footage or something?
If nothing happened in 25 alleged camping trips prior what made this night so special you left a video camera at the camp site?

That doesn't add up, nobody just leaves their sh*t out in the open and unprotected like that, what if it rained? What if your car broke down on the way back there? Etc... and what were you going to do then?

Your camera could have been sitting there for days with no way to get it back... I'm sorry that really doesn't fly.

2. "our camp wood thrown all around in a 200 foot radius and our fire pit thrown away like it never existed. "

200ft? What so they picked up individual bits of wood and trekked 200ft north, south, east and west to scatter them?

Cammo Dudes are not the mafia ok? They don't leave "messages" saying "stay outta our business..."

These are men with real, dedicated jobs who have more pressing issues at hand, like patrolling the ridges to make sure no unauthorized people get in and manning checkpoints, not bothering a couple out in the woods some 30 miles from base who got no clue what their doing.

I can understand popping a mattress, as that would make most campers essentially p*ss off...

Because I've been camping. You ever slept on gravel or dirt for an entire night? Try getting more than a couple of hours of decent rest before you've got bugs crawling up where the sun don't shine and your covered in dirt. It's not pleasant.

But scattering the fire wood a good 200ft? You only have to collect it back together again and light it up, oohh that's tough.

And why 200ft? Where did you get this figure from?
You pull out a tape measure and mark the distances or something? 200ft sounds a little too exact for somebody who has zero credibility.

If the cammo dudes wanted you to be gone they would have simply taken your tent and mattress and you would have never seen it again. And you would have no legal recourse to sue them in any aspect because you can't prove anything.

3. So you come back to your campsite. It's trashed. You look at the footage on your "hidden" camera which apparently they never saw for some reason and saw cammo dudes scavenging your stuff?

And what did you do?
Lock it up and stay for the night!

There are so many things wrong with the conclusion you came to, it boggles the mind. If somebody had threatened me like that, physically vandalized my property and I was with my girlfriend, I can assure you I wouldn't stay for the night and wait for something to happen.

It's easy to tell your not an experienced camper or trekker, when sh*t happens when your miles from civilization you take it seriously, you don't go "Oh a minor hiccup, we'll stay for the night". You leave and make sure your better prepared next time.

Who brings one inflatable mattress with them? You've camped 25 times and you never thought of a back up? Most people bring foam picnic mats along with mattresses, so in case you have a leak you can at least sleep on something rigid.

There are so many inconsistencies and errors in common sense here I cannot see how any reasonable person here could have done the same thing you did in your situation.

4. I'm trying to keep this short I don't waste too much time on frauds so here's my final point to you.

You say the Cammo Dudes came back at 4am to rummage through your things again?
Ok, for once I see some truth in your story. I could understand them coming back to check if you had left or not. That is likely...

(Continued 2nd post)

BUT....

They went straight for your car and tried to pick the locks in an attempt to nab a camera they didn't even know existed?

Come off it.. that's ridiculous.
And the funny part is, nobody bothers to check inside the tent. Hmm, funny that they don't look to see if maybe that mysterious camera is inside the tent, no they head straight for the car.

Also what's curious is, they don't know that your there; YET they bothered to pick the locks like they're on a reconnaissance mission, rather than ram the butt of their M-16's through your window and open the door.
Oh maybe they were afraid the local county police were on patrol around there or something, or you'd sue them later on... lol

Your theory about parabolic microphones picking up what you said is not only absolute rubbish but also reaks of paranoia and tin-foilness.

First off, a little advice, there's no concrete proof as of yet to suggest cammo dudes have access to parabolics. Show me a link or something if your so convinced...

Second, they wouldn't use them in wooded areas, trees, bushes and plants block and absorb sound waves, making them a bad area to use parabolics in. These things don't work like they do in Spy Movies, parabolics need clear unobstructed paths to the target to be able to pick up anything audible. Pointing a microphone into a wooded area from a distance is not going to give much audio other than a garbled mess.

Flat, wide-open plains and deserts are ideal locations to use them.

I could go on picking at your story and finding more incredulous evidence that suggests you have no clue what your talking about, but I'll leave it that.

Sorry if I sounded harsh or somewhat offensive, I didn't mean that, but please stop trying to coerce everyone into believing a sequence of events that sounds like it's out of a 1960's sci-fi film.

[edit on 4/5/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Well, if true, didn't you read the signs?
Your story states you were "across the border".
And apparantly, have done so many times.
Camping on a military installation seems a bit arrogant, IMHO, if you are not prepared for the reaction.
Count your blessings you didn't get the standard treatment of capture, interrogation at the guard shack, and a trip in a police car.
I prefer to visit the area in daylight only, and not be a sheep camping amongst a wolfpack with vastly superior technology and firepower.

The whole Nellis area of influence is huge, and if you were to go "missing", you woulkd never be found, and I am sure county search and rescue would be told "their" extensive military search found nothing.

Originally posted by gotrox
Well, if true, didn't you read the signs?
Your story states you were "across the border".
And apparantly, have done so many times.
Camping on a military installation seems a bit arrogant, IMHO, if you are not prepared for the reaction.
Count your blessings you didn't get the standard treatment of capture, interrogation at the guard shack, and a trip in a police car.
I prefer to visit the area in daylight only, and not be a sheep camping amongst a wolfpack with vastly superior technology and firepower.

The whole Nellis area of influence is huge, and if you were to go "missing", you woulkd never be found, and I am sure county search and rescue would be told "their" extensive military search found nothing.

The story never once says we camped across the border. Double check please....

To me, this story holds no water. I know you back up you facts, but its just too much too swallow. I know you wont like that but its a gut feeling, and many people here get this feeling from reading it.

Then I turn to the question of "Why?"

In my humble opinion, This would be a classic maneuver from Groom Lake to attempt to keep people away. Go to public forums about Area 51, and claim abuse, or nightmarish stories involving security.

"Don't make it too bad, like kidnapping, or murder,but enough to make other people think twice about camping here."

I couldnt get the idea of "The Blair-ea 51 Witch Project." I'm open to movie rights...

My $0.02...

Originally posted by bknapple
All I know is that, lately, these guards are getting really close to the line between a private base, and public laws and rights.

If you are on the base grounds, which begin before you get to the signs, your rights are terminated. Hence the reason they can kill anyone on site with no warning. Despite all that I would still love to go there and do what you do. I planning on doing it in the near future.

Im not going back over this to get quotes, but I went to the Little Ale'Inn this past weekend. I made it a point to ask the three ladies working there if the had heard of this issue. All said no, that nothing like that happened. There was an arrest 6 months ago but nothing like what youre talking about.
If I had been smart I wouldve gotten the ladies names but I didnt want to come across like a cop. We talked about it at great length, what would happen if what you said happened, etc. The people at the Little Ale'inn are on great terms with the base and one look at the wall of military patches shows the love.

I'm not going to come out and call you a liar, or whatever, but I will say that the employees working heard nothing of this. And you can tell by the homely version of this tavern that if one knows, they all know.

For the record the lady I talked to was a relatively large, older greying woman. She was very sweet, and incredibly nice to put up with out patronage. She had an air of "Ive been here a wile and I know what goes on around these parts" to her.

One thing I hate here on ATS is peoples tendencies to think everyone who posts is a liar. I have often said if I saw a UFO and even took a picture, I for SURE wouldnt post it here.

I understand that you believe what your saying to be the truth, but too many people think its false because too many errors in your story. Wether thats true or not, its still a reality here and you have to deal with it. One way or the other, reading your story was entertaining, and I wish you the best of luck.

I've given my reasons for why I might disbelieve you before, and for me thats about it. Even in that case it didnt stop me from going to the warning signs last Sunday.

I also see where it could happen. Take away the errors, and what he is saying is more believable than seeing a UFO, not that that crowd gets any more love here at ATS.

I hear alot of lies in my line of work. small ones, like "oh I like your Father in law! "or "That dress makes you look thin!" and big ones like "I swear I never cheated on you with your sister!" or "Los Alamos Hard drive?" What Los Alamos Hard drive?"
but most of them when I'm drunk at parties. unless they somehow affect me personally, or simply annoy me to no end, I just smile at the person telling it, and say "Wow. Thanks for sharing." and promptly excuse myself to refill my drink.

I doubt you're ever going to win over this crowd, even with a decent backup story. But I aint mad at ya, and if we ever wind up in Rachel, maybe we'll split a Cherea 51, and laugh at John Lears picture on the wall.

Now, wheres the bartender? I appear to have a hole in my sippy cup...

Originally posted by SystemiK
My god, I believe I could post claiming to have just eaten lunch and soon be beset with people claiming HOAX.

Do you have PROOF that you had lunch? Pictures? Witnesses?

And I don't want some 12 hour stool sample, either. That could be from someone else, or just some hoax!