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Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

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posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:40 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

[color=gold]PSYWAR/PSYOPS (Psychological Warfare/Operations) in Vietnam

Listen to Audio of an actual Vietnam era US PSYOP as it would have been heard through a Huey loudspeaker or jungle megaphone!

This recording was "So Moui" or "Numbah Ten" to the vietcong, a common slang term used by both Vietnamese and Americans, meaning it was "Really Bad."

This tape had a reputation among sailors as always drawing hostile fire when played. Perhaps its haunting message when translated into English can explain why. The Vietnamese ethic and religion is based upon deep respect for ancestors, elders, and family. The tape directs its audio message at these values, very strange indeed:

Ghost Psyop...
Ghost Psyop Streaming...

[Funeral Music and the Wailing Sounds of a Moaning Ghost]
[The Daughter "Hai" Crys Out for Her Father]

Daddy, daddy, come home with me, come home. Daddy! Daddy!
[The Ghost Father Responds]

! Hai !
Who is that? Who is calling me? My daughter? My wife?
Your Father is back home with you, my daughter
Your Husband is back home with you, my wife
But my body is gone. I am dead, my family

Tragic ... how tragic

My friends, I come back to let you know that I am dead ... I am dead
I am in Hell ... just Hell
It was a senseless death. How senseless ... how senseless
But when I realized the truth, it was too late ... too late

Friends ... while you are still alive ...
There is still a chance that you can be reunited with your loved ones
Do you hear what I say?

Go home ... Go home friends
Hurry ... If not, you will end up like me
Go home my friends before it is too late

Go home! ... Go home friends!

During the Vietnam War, the US used various psychological operations (PSYOPS) and psychological warfare operations (PSYWAR), varying in size from small to large, in order to influence the emotions, mind and behavior of the Viet Cong. The following is some of my research on the issue that puts forth the question:

"Is the general US population being presently
subjected to various forms of what can be considered PSYOPS? "

The goal of these operations is unknown, but perhaps can be speculated upon by looking at what PSYOPS have been undertaken in the past by the US, and what the particular goals of these operations were.

I don't wish to draw any 'firm' conclusions but rather present the information, background and source material and let the reader decide and think for themselves and debate the issues here within this thread. Let's begin with some background and basics:

[color=gold]What Exactly is a PSYOP?

Psychological (Warfare) Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS), are techniques used by military and police forces to influence a target audience's emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and are used in order to induce confessions, or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. These are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

This concept has been used by military institutions throughout history, but it is only since the twentieth century that it has been accorded the organizational and professional status it enjoys now.

The word is commonly used by governments, such as the United States, who do not wish to use the term propaganda, which would mar their image. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, people are much more likely to support it, where they would be unlikely to support the use of "propaganda". This euphemistic naming scheme is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support.


[color=gold]Earliest Uses of PSYOP Programs

Why am I primarily focused on Vietnam? The Vietnam War was broad in scope, one of the costliest wars in US history. The war was unique in that it was a war unlike any the US had fought previously, being in a modern era, and desperate for a victory or a way out, the military turned to ever advancing forms of PSYOPS/PSYWAR. Psychological warfare is as old as conventional warfare itself, being first employed dating back thousands of years.

In about 500 BC, Sun Tsu, a noted Chinese thinker, wrote a seminal treatise entitled "The Art of War." The author evidenced a keen understanding of the importance of intelligence and psychology in both diplomacy and war. "To capture the enemy's entire army is better than to destroy it; to take intact a regiment, a company, or a squad is better than to destroy them. For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence."

By about 300 BC, Alexander the Great of Macedonia had conquered almost all of the known world. The brilliant and charismatic leader subdued adversaries by disseminating accounts of his savagery and prowess. Alexander instructed his armorers to construct oversized armor breastplates and helmets that would fit "giants," men 7 to 8 feet tall. In the evening before battle, the oversized armor was left out on the fields, inspiring terror and ultimately the withdrawal of his adversaries, who greatly outnumbered Alexander's forces.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:41 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

PSYOPS have been subsequently employed in WWI, WWII, Korean War, Gulf War, Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) and most likely in any other future conflicts as well. This type of warfare or propaganda can be used by both sides of a conflict as illustrated by 'Tokyo Rose', the Japanese PSYOP radio broadcaster in WWII. Or the numerous loudspeaker PSYOP operators in Vietnam for the Viet Cong / communists organizations. Other groups besides the US using PSYOPS in well documented cases include Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Napoleon Bonaparte and of course many others! However, the first broadly advanced use of PSYOPS was in the Vietnam war by the US, an ever evolving operation that including several battalion groups (BN) mainly attributed to the 4th Psyop Group (Airborne). This group had control of several battalions each tasked with different goals and responsibilities in the PSYOP campaign.

[color=gold]PSYOP in Vietnam, Vietnam War, Some Examples

Propaganda and safe-conduct passes and leaflets were produced under the jurisdiction of the Joint U. S. Public Affairs Office (JUSPAO). JUSPAO was formed in July 1965, following 11 years of increasingly uncoordinated and inefficient psychological operations that began in summer of 1954 during Vietnam's transition from French rule. JUSPAO was given authority for all propaganda activities in an effort to end disputes and lack of coordination between Americans and Vietnamese and between American military and civilian agencies.

An understanding was reached in 1966 that whereas JUSPAO would retain responsibility for overall PSYOP policy and would conduct strategic operations such as the Chieu Hoi surrender program, MACV would be responsible for PSYOP tactical field operations.

Chieu Hoi Surrender Program

The Chieu Hoi surrender program geared to win the hearts and minds of the enemy and ultimately to enable voluntary surrender. It was actually the largest and most expensive (and EXTREMELY successful) PSYOPS program during the course of the 11 year Vietnam war.

Chieu Hoi is a combination of two verbs, chieu (to welcome) and hoi (to return). The program started in 1963 and by wars end by April 1975, the program had converted more than 165,000 soldiers and members of the Communist Party. The cost ratio between what the program costs per convert and the cost to actually kill that particular soldier was considered very favorable to the military brass.

William F. Johnston gives some rather staggering dollar numbers in a 1968 article entitled "Some thoughts on Psychological Operations." He says:

To date, the total defections of Viet Cong returning under the program total 75,000. If we take this figure in the commonly accepted ratio of ten government soldiers needed for each insurgent guerrilla, the program has saved the GVN-US a troop strength of over 750,000 soldiers. If we do a little arithmetic from the dollar-saved angle, the total cost of the program, using a cost-sited figure of $127 to bring in a Viet Cong defector, would be around nine and a half million dollars. But looking at the cost to kill a Viet Cong, which is estimated at $300,000 each, this number would have cost two and a quarter billion dollars.

» So was this program successful? A resounding YES! More successful and more economically beneficial than any of the founders could have imagined.

According to the enemy:

• At present, the enemy is using psychological warfare to attack us on the ideological plane. He has scattered many leaflets from aircraft and has appealed to us through (loudspeaker) broadcasts. The objective of this is to destroy our morale...

• These efforts surely influence our troops. If we do not closely control cadre and soldier thoughts, we shall face many difficulties. For this is a dangerous wicked scheme by the enemy. It is related to the general war situation, all aimed at reducing the fighting spirit of our forces and having a great influence on our struggle toward victory in general..."

• Carefully indoctrinate troops, cadres and soldiers about the enemy's psychological warfare schemes. Make clear to all people the fact of his corruption and that he pretends to be very strong but cannot hide his failures...

• Whenever the enemy uses psychological warfare, cadres should immediately hold indoctrination sessions and closely manage the people's thoughts and actions...When leaflets drop, all people, even the cadres and soldiers, should tear them up without reading them. Only cadre chiefs (team chiefs) are authorized to read and then explain and analyze the contents of the leaflets to the cadres and to soldiers in their units.

The United States Government spent a great amount of time and energy tracking the effectiveness of the Chieu Hoi program. In the report PSYOPS in Vietnam – Indications of Effectiveness. JUSPAO Planning Office, Saigon, Vietnam, May, 1967, there are numerous Communist documents and directives complaining about the Chieu Hoi program. For instance, a report on the Operation and Coordination Committee meeting of the Thu Dau Mot Province Unit Headquarters, Eastern Nam Bo Region of the Liberation Army held on 17 December 1966 says:

• The enemy has begun to increase their demagogic propaganda and Chieu Hoi activities, using every insidious strategy to draw our soldiers to their side. At the same time as their attacks on our military and economic fronts, the enemy has begun to increase their psywar operations, aiming at rallying the inhabitants of the disputed area to their side. For the same purpose they created an artificial victory, sent the Americans and South Koreans into strategic hamlets to distribute medicine, candy and cakes to the grownups and children. In an ambush in Binh Nhan when one of our cadre was killed, they came to visit, comfort and offer money and other objects to the family of the deceased.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:41 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

The enemy used "Dakota" airplanes equipped with megaphones to appeal to our cadre and soldiers to rally to the puppet government under the Chieu Hoi program.

The Chieu Hoi PSYOP was extensive and continued to grow due to the large successes of that program in converting enemy Viet Cong soldiers. Many different forms of propaganda type images and text were used from leaflet drops to other more advanced forms were evolved. Heres a 'short' list of just some of the forms of PSYOPS created, conducted and finally evaluated for effectiveness:

Leaflet Drops:
• It is impossible to determine how many Chieu Hoi leaflets were produced during the length of the war. The Leaflet Catalog, 7th PSYOP Battalion, Danang, 1969, lists no less than 65 leaflets in the special category "Chieu Hoi." The first is 7-757-68, "Soldier of North Vietnam," the last is 7-528-69, "The Nguyen Trai Campaign." The latter was a campaign to psychologically attack enemy cadre and soldiers to cause them to rally. These 65 leaflets are just from a single battalion in a bit more than one year of the war.

• Chieu Hoi leaflets that were designed to be dropped together. For instance, mix 4 consists of 7-565-68 "With aching Heart," 7-690-68 "Chieu Hoi Poems," and 7-757-68 "Chieu Hoi is for VC/NVA." Mix 12 consists of JUSPAO leaflets SP3210 "I can't stop weeping," and SP3211 "Rallying helps you return to your friends."

• Twenty-five thousand US sponsored, Japanese-produced strongly scented bars of soap, each containing seven different Chieu Hoi messages printed on interior layers, were delivered by hand during the 1969 Tet campaign.

• One infantry division dropped white flags soaked in the Vietnamese fish sauce called Nuoc Mam to hungry enemy soldiers in an effort to persuade them to rally (convert).

• Marines placed a Chieu Hoi leaflet and a cigarette in plastic bags and floated them up the mouths of rivers during evening tides; similarly, plastic bags containing a washcloth, a half piece of elephant soap, needles and thread, and a leaflet were drifted into Viet Cong areas.

• It was apparently decided in November 1967 during the Vietnam War that if the locals and the Viet Cong could become interested in playing chess, they would be less likely to set up ambushes and bury mines and punji stakes. As a result, this Joint United States Public Affairs Office product coded 2257 was developed. The finder could use the leaflet and cut out the pieces to play Vietnamese chess. It is certainly one of the oddest PSYOP items disseminated in wartime. Notice that the center of the board bears the words “Chieu Hoi” (“Open Arms”), and the Chieu Hoi symbol is at the left and right.

• An October 1967 booklet is coded 2169 and entitled Diary of a Returnee. It is a 20-page booklet with 12 photographs describing the experiences of a Viet Cong soldier from the time of his disillusionment to his return. It also lists Chieu Hoi benefits, weapons rewards, and a photograph of the standard flag safe conduct pass.

B-52 Follow-up Program:
• There was the B-52 Follow-up Program. Within four hours of a B-52 strike leaflets were dropped informing the enemy that he has been bombed by B-52s and showed him a picture of the bomber which flew so high that he would otherwise never see it. It reminded him that the bombers would come again and urged the Viet Cong to use the printed safe conduct pass on the leaflet. Another operation, the “Trail Campaign” was directed against military and civilian personnel who used and maintained the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Most of the Trail leaflets bore a numerical code from 1-125 and the letter “T.”

The front of the leaflet depicts a B-52 dropping bombs. The back is all text:

You will never see one of these.

You probably won't hear it. It flies too high. It is a B-52 bomber, used by the South Vietnamese people's powerful American allies to blast aggressors out of their hiding places. One B-52 carries 29,700 kilos of bombs and can drop them with pin-point accuracy, dealing certain death to everyone within the target area. The B-52 can strike you at any time during all seasons and weather conditions.

Your chance to avoid this fate will come. Look for your safe conduct pass.

• Speaking of strange operations and the use of lighting for a psychological operation, there were experiments in Vietnam in 1968 where a C-47 aircraft was used to project messages on the underside of clouds. Using both land based spotlights with text projectors and aerial high intensity lighting, clouds were used as PSYOP devices displaying text such as "Chieu Hoi" or other such simple and short text.

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» In 1966 the Joint U.S. Public Affairs Office (JUSPAO) drew up a plan to work on five conceived weaknesses of the enemy. Can the following list be applied to present day PSYOPS on civilians and the potential weaknesses or areas of exploitation of the general public for these operations? Oh and by the way, PSYOPS has a new name now, 'Influence Operations', sounds better don't it?

PSYOPS targeted weaknesses of the Viet Cong soldier, the following:

1. Fear (of death, injury, American technology, lack of proper burial etc.)

2. Hardships (the terrible march south, jungle diseases, lack of medical supplies, absence from family and loved ones, etc.).

3. Loss of faith in Communist victory (reports of Communist defeats, list of dead VC, overwhelming might of RVN and American forces, the coalition massed against the VC, etc.).

4. Concern for family (The wife and family at home unprotected without a man in the house, the children growing up without a father's guidance, etc.).

5. Disillusionment (You were duped by the Communists, the South Vietnamese do not want to be liberated, you are fighting for your old enemy China, you are killing your own kind).

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:42 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

[color=gold]Remember the Maine! Was a PSYOP

Reports coming out concerning the US involvement in Cuba include some of the most extreme information and we can glean some of these PSYOP tactics involved from this one unclassified example memo:


1. Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for US military intervention in Cuba a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as has been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.

2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

  1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

  2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.

  3. Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.

  4. Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).

  5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

  6. Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).

  7. Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

  8. Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.

  9. Capture militia group which storms the base.

  10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- naphthalene.

  11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

  1. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

  2. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

It continues for several pages and several other false flag scenarios to incite Cuba to attack and/or provoke the US to start full military intervention there for the ultimate goal of the overthrow of that government.


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»Fast forward now to the "Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare" CIA manual released in 1984. This CIA manual was meant for guerrillas warfare and given to contras in Nicaragua. The manual advised the "selective use of violence for propagandistic effects” also taught contras to “neutralize” government officials. The use of PSYOPS can be seen as evolving now to much more advanced forms...

Detailing how to gain a community's support through propaganda and selective violence, the manual begins "In effect, the human being should be considered the priority objective in a political war ... Once his mind has been reached, the 'political animal' has been defeated, without necessarily receiving bullets."

[color=gold]The manual taught:

"...demonstrators into clashes with the authorities, to provoke riots or shootings, which lead to the killing of one or more persons, who will be seen as the martyrs; this situation should be taken advantage of immediately against the Government to create even bigger conflicts."

"...selective use of armed force for PSYOP (psychological operations) effect.... Carefully selected, planned targets — judges, police officials, tax collectors, etc. — may be removed for PSYOP effect in a UWOA (unconventional warfare operations area), but extensive precautions must insure that the people “concur” in such an act by thorough explanatory canvassing among the affected populace before and after conduct of the mission."

Can some of this 'interesting' thinking and technique be applied to manipulating people, groups and organizations in the US today?

[color=gold]From the manual:

Control of Meetings and Mass Assemblies

• The control of mass meetings in support of guerrilla warfare is carried
out internally through a covert commando element, bodyguards, messengers,
shock forces (initiators of incidents), placard carriers (also used for making
signals), shouters of slogans, everything under the control of the outside
commando element.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by battlestargalactica]

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:42 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

• When the cadres are placed or recruited in organizations such as labor
unions, youth groups agrarian organizations or professional associations
they will begin to manipulate the objectives of the groups. The
psychological apparatus of our movement through inside cadres prepares a
mental attitude which at the crucial moment can be turned into a fury of
justified violence.

• Through a small group of guerrillas infiltrated within the masses this
can be carried out; they will have the mission of agitating by giving the
impression that there are many of them and that they have a large popular
backing. Using the tactics of a force of 200-300 agitators, a demonstration
can be created in which 10,000-20,000 persons take part.

[color=gold]Selective Use of Violence for Propagandistic Effects

• Carefully test the reaction of the people toward the mission, as
well as control this reaction, making sure that the populations
reaction is beneficial towards the Freedom Commandos.

Techniques of Persuasion in Talks or Speeches:

• Be Simple and Concise. You should avoid the use of difficult
words or expressions and prefer popular words and expressions,
i.e. the language of the people. In dealing with a person you
should make use of concise language, avoiding complicated
words. It is important to remember that we use oratory to make
our people understand the reason for our struggle, and not to
show off our knowledge.

• Use Lively and Realistic Examples. Avoid abstract concepts,
such as are used in universities in the advanced years, and in
place of them, give concrete examples such as children playing,
horses galloping, birds in flight, etc.

• Use Gestures to Communicate. Communication, in addition to
being verbal, can be through gestures, such as using our hands
expressively, back movements, facial expressions, focusing of
our look and other aspects of "body language," projecting the
individual personality in the message.

• Use the Appropriate Tone of Voice. If, on addressing the
people, you talk about happiness, a happy tone should be used.
If you talk of something sad, the tone of the voice should be
one of sadness; on talking of a heroic or brave act, the voice
should be animated, etc.

• Above All, Be Natural, Imitation of others should be avoided,
since the people, especially simple people, easily distinguish a
fake. The individual personality should be projected when
addressing the population.

[color=gold]Other CIA PSYOP Manual Quotes:

It is guide the discussion of a group to cover a number of points and to reach a correct conclusion. The people should feel it was their free and own decision.

Bring about uprisings or shootings, which will cause the death of one or more persons, who would become the martyrs ... in order to create greater conflicts.

Always be prepared with simple slogans in order to explain to the people, whether in intentional form or by chance, the reason for the weapons. [idea / policy] Reasons such as: The weapons [idea / policy] will be for winning freedom; they are for you, or Our weapons [idea / policy] are, in truth, the weapons [idea / policy] of the people, yours.

[color=gold]Selection of Appropriate Slogans

The leaders of the guerrilla warfare classify their slogans in accordance with the circumstances with the aim of mobilizing the masses in a wide scale of activities and at the highest emotional level.

When the mass uprising is being developed, our covert cadres should
make partial demands, initially demanding, e.g. "We want food," "We want
freedom of worship," "We want union freedom" - steps that will lead us
toward the realization of the goals of our movement, which are: GOD,

Other uses of the word 'Homeland' in this document:

The most usual plaintive figures of speech are: Deprecation or entreaty to obtain something. For example: "Lord, free us from the yoke. Give us freedom."
Imprecation or threat, expressing a sentiment in view of the unjust or hopeless. For example: "Let there be a Homeland for all or let there be a Homeland for no one."

Do you feel that the prevalent buzzword "HOMELAND" lately in the US is a tad strange or just 'off' in some way?

You're not alone, here's one persons views:

But what of the word "homeland"? Surely it should have many of the same connotations as "home," shouldn't it? Yet on the night of September 20, sitting in the living room of my home watching George W. Bush speak to a joint session of Congress, I had an instant, visceral, negative reaction to his announcement that he had created an Office of Homeland Security. Not because I thought it was a bad idea, but because I thought it was a bad name. The word "homeland" had a strange ring, like a false note in a piece of music. It didn't sound right.

Merriam Webster Definition: "Homeland. 1. native land: FATHERLAND. 2. a state or area set aside to be a state for a people of a particular national, cultural, or racial origin"

[edit on 20-4-2008 by battlestargalactica]

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:43 PM
Vietnam War PSYOPS, Are We Now the Targets?

[color=gold]When Exactly Did America Become a Homeland / Fatherland?

"[H]omeland security is developing into the largest boondoggle in the history of the U.S. government. Fed by the . . . war on terror, homeland security is being used as an excuse . . . for a vast expansion of government power and spending." And the spending usually has nothing at all to do with "defense" or "security." "Homeland security is not making us safer: just poorer, less free, and more dependent on the federal government," Professor Bennett charges. In the following 217 pages he provides chapter and verse to prove his point.

Source: Homeland Security Scams (Transaction Publishers, 2006)

The language of the DHS really is eerily reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Its web site claims that its mission is "securing the homeland," a "locution so foreign to Americans as to bring a shudder to the spine." Another slogan is "Preserving our freedoms, protecting America . . . we secure our homeland." One can just imagine that there must be a continual showing of the movie "Triumph of the Will" ( playing 24 hours a day at DHS headquarters.

Third stanza
(Germany's National Anthem)

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland;
This let us all pursue,
Brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of happiness.
Flourish in this blessing's glory,
Flourish, German fatherland.

The origins of the phrases Homeland, Homeland Defense and Homeland Security, the implementation of policies before and after Sept-2001, can fill an entirely new thread (and I'm into my umpteenth post in this thread as it is), but I wanted to present some more information for the reader.

I wanted to add more to this thread initial post, but ran out of time for this topic, so I will just post what I have so far. There is so much more to research on the topic of PSYOP, like subliminal programming, military use of mind control, use of this military technology in present day society (from lessons learned)...If anyone has anything to add, or just comments, please post away!

Thanks for looking.

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posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 05:45 PM
If the 'ghost' psyop mp3 doesn't work, or you want to download it, let me know,
I can email it to you.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by battlestargalactica]

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 08:29 PM

Maybe people are still reading my short posts

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 11:38 PM
reply to post by battlestargalactica
Thank you battlestargalactia for this thread. My significant other calls ATS the black hole and has never been at all interested in what I talk about when speaking of things I've learned here.

Finally you hit on a subject that is near and dear to his heart. He was in the army PSYOPS division during his second and third tour in Viet Nam. It took me a longtime to get him to talk about his time there but after he started opening up we would discuss his adventures for hours.

Reading your posts is like hearing it all over again as he told it to me.

One of his jobs was to go into villages with a Vietnamese interpreter and talk to the village chief. They would stay in a village over night and sometimes two nights. One of the dishes they were fed was noodles with that awful fish sauce. Because of the leaflets soaked in fish sauce and the noodles in fish sauce he will not eat noodles in any shape or form.

Sometimes I accuse him of using PSYOPS on me.

From the things he described to me I have little doubt that our government could be using PSYOPS on it's citizens. But it is not limited to the USA only. And not limited to government. Big corporations employ these methods also only much more subtle.

Thanks again for your thread as it is the first time we have discussed what goes on at ATS. You have at least spiked his interest in our discussions.


posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 12:16 AM
reply to post by dizziedame

Glad you enjoyed the read and happy that the thread has brought his involvement to ATS. Perhaps now we can suck him into the black hole as well

I LOL'ed at the thought of him possibly using psyops on you at times, now you on to him!

Any chance we can hear some of the 1st hand accounts of the PSYOPS practiced in Vietnam? Thanks again.

posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 09:52 AM
What a fantastic post. Great work. Thanks. Reading some first hand accounts of PSYOPS in action would be awesome.

posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:03 AM
Speaking of PSYOPS on the population, many have gone on, many are occurring presently and in the future. Check out this link, PSYOPS and you!


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