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posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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Maybe you should read again what i put, i never blaimed god for whats going on so don't twist my words. Someone said that it's a lack of religious belief that's the problem and i just pointed out that in the bible all sorts of horrible acts are commited by god, so i doubt it's the lack of belief in god that's the problem.


People who believe in god do bad things, people who don't believe in god do bad things. Simply having people who believe in religion will not fix the violence of this world.

Please don't twist my words i don't enjoy it.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]




posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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www.thesun.co.uk...

viewed 600 times

600 sick people that didn't report the video as inappropriate.


I saw a video recently about snuff films called 8mm. I had a lot of trouble sitting through it. Truly disturbing that this stuff actually goes on.

Desire for violence and sex has created a vile synergy . . .

[edit on 4/22/2008 by JPhish]



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 05:15 AM
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I think we should all rise above our primitive instincts and suppress them. And we should desire to be as great as God and rule our world with dignity and with utmost respect for all its wonders. The world can be a better place if only we let it be and Utopia is possible through empathy and self-control, as long as you realize that You are here in this world for a Great Cause.

Guide:
1. Enhance technology as it is our creation that will guarantee us a mission.
2. We should abandon Darwinism, no more competition for money, power, sex.
3. Social structure should be built around a caste system that ensures everyone's purpose as well as pre-determined destiny.
4. Explore the universe in search for truth and understanding.
5. Develop and implement life extension that eliminates the concept of death.
6. Create a global brain system that will improve the human species' consciousness and evolve it into a collective being.
7. Shape the universe at will.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
Guide:
1. Enhance technology as it is our creation that will guarantee us a mission.


Great idea! Oh but wait religious people keep saying that we can't use stem cell research, shame that.


Originally posted by DuneKnight
2. We should abandon Darwinism, no more competition for money, power, sex.


That isn't darwins fault lol, that is humannature for the majority, the competition is even part of male hormonal response, you would have to genetically alter us to remove competition.



Originally posted by DuneKnight

3. Social structure should be built around a caste system that ensures everyone's purpose as well as pre-determined destiny.


Isn't that the idealist view of socialism?


Originally posted by DuneKnight
4. Explore the universe in search for truth and understanding.


Absolutely agree, we're already doing it now, space missions etc, although we shoud fund it more.


Originally posted by DuneKnight
5. Develop and implement life extension that eliminates the concept of death.


Tricky but i will never say impossible, maybe upload our minds to computer or something as in scifi.


Originally posted by DuneKnight
6. Create a global brain system that will improve the human species' consciousness and evolve it into a collective being.


Lost me there.


Originally posted by DuneKnight
7. Shape the universe at will.


Don't we do that already? By our very actions of mining, blasting, making homes and buildings that reach into the sky itself?


Violence and the want to see it isn't a problem i don't think, it only becomes a problem when it's carried to extremes (like everything else). For example i used to be a full contact marital artist, i loved the sensation of pitting myself against someone, i never though went out and fought someone in the street. We just have to learn to seperate these things, real life and training.

The people who watch real videos of people dying, well they worry me slightly but i suppose we all have a morbid fascination with death, the idea we'll be gone one day.

As for sex and pornography being violent, well i will again say that this has always beent here! The only difference is now instead of being in someones head they are allowed to manufacture and distribute it legally. Studies have shown that pronography can prevent some people from commiting sexual and violent attacks. Should we therefore although this type of porn to be made? I say yes.

In my view as it's consenting then it should be allowed (short of consenting murder like the german cannibal case). Fake snuff films, masochist films, sadist films, i don't really care as long as no one is harmed without their consent first. Some people like being whipped, good for them, at least they know who they are and what they like. It's not my thing but each to their own.

Maybe instead of complaining about all this violent porn and other things we should accept that everyone is different, everyone will enjoy different things and maybe we shoudln't be dictating what they can and cannot be allowed to see! As long as no one is hurt, let them do what they want.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by zenfish
Because when you get humbled and honest with yourself, you know it is. All you have to do is ask how you want to be treated. Do you want to be, or those you care about, ripped off, raped, humiliated, lied to, cheated, degraded, betrayed, overpowered, beaten, back stabbed, etc., etc.? No, of course not. Unless there is some serious psychological imbalance.


That's where you, and a lot of other well-meaning people, get it completely wrong. Don't treat others how you want them to treat you. All they will do is take advantage of you and throw you away when you are no longer useful. Instead, take from others what you need from them and think nothing of their needs. Live only to serve yourself and you will live a guilt-free and pleasurable existence!



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 06:44 PM
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Everyone has freewill to choose how they wish within the situations they find themselves in. They are also completely responsible for the consequences of their choices. No blaming others when it's time to get real and pay the piper.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Either way can work, it just depends on your state of mind. Either way you're going to have to learn how to accept consequences. You aren't always going to get what you want, so don't expect it no matter which way you follow. I think Good allows you to accept not getting what you want better than evil does. With good everything doesn't revolve around your own interests, so when you don't get your way you're more willing to accept it.

In a world ruled by evil, good is probably the smarter move for the weaklings, while the strong can choose to be evil and stand a decent chance to not pay for the choice later on. You have to know the limits of your own evil. The strongest rule in a world of evil, and so long as you don't cross anyone stronger at an inopportune time, or someone stronger decides to cross you at an opportune time, then you can thrive by being evil in a world of evil.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Well you can continue to be ruled by religion and conform, dont be so quick to ridicule the greatest empires the earth has ever seen, Lots of countries still marry off their young girls so I wouldn't exactly say that it "used" to be acceptable, I would say that it still is.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThePiemaker
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In a world ruled by evil, good is probably the smarter move for the weaklings, while the strong can choose to be evil and stand a decent chance to not pay for the choice later on.


Strength has nothing to do with it and is entirely relative. The weakest step towards goodness is more powerful than the fiercest storm of evil against you. It's all about the choice to be good, or evil in every situation. Good is a smarter choice for everyone because there is no such thing as "getting a decent chance to not pay later on." Everything will be paid for lock, stock and barrel before death (if you're lucky), after death, or in the next phase of existence. I'd think twice before being proud of kornholing a weaker victim because what goes around comes around. It's THE universal law. It's only the mentally and morally weak that think they will get away with being evil. This is why we are all here on this earth full of rats and dogs getting kornholed one way or another. Or haven't you noticed?



You have to know the limits of your own evil. The strongest rule in a world of evil, and so long as you don't cross anyone stronger at an inopportune time, or someone stronger decides to cross you at an opportune time, then you can thrive by being evil in a world of evil.


You know the difference between evil, stupidity and genius?

Genius has limits.

Someone stronger coming along is guaranteed. If not before death, then after.


I wouldn't want to be one of those violent porno dudes in the afterlife.

Again, I'm not pointing this at you Piemaker, just expressing my opinions about those who choose evil over good.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 11:46 PM
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yeah it's amazing the kind of movies Hollywood can produce.....uhhh like 8mm. There will be people who like what some deem as bazaar, if we all agreed on the same things or all had the same interests we would be nothing more than robots.



posted on Apr, 22 2008 @ 11:52 PM
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I would like to remind people that the people in those porn movies are actors, and what they do they are paid to do, they collect a check and go home just like everyone else, they are acting, some people get off on it some don't. The problem is in reality with those mentally sick individuals who don't know when the line has been crossed, and they will do so with our without movies. I am sure this has been the common rule before and sort of video was ever made depicting such.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Unfortunately, there isn't any proof outside of personal experience that there will indeed be an afterlife/existence after this one that rewards people for their good deeds. If there were, perhaps dogs and rats would have a reason to stop acting like dogs and rats. That's sort of a catch 22 situation though. If proof did exist, then how would you know who the dogs and rats were if the dogs and rats didn't act like dogs and rats because they knew they were being judged?


Evil has no limits, but an evil man has to know when to be evil. Sometimes it serves an evil man to be good on occasion, if for no other reason than for deception.

Good takes it's own kind of strength. I feel good's a more fulfilling way no matter who you are. And if all were good, or even a majority, then certainly most of the world's problems would cease to be. Man creates many of his own problems through evil.

For example, let's take greed. There are many poor people in this world, and many obscenely wealthy people in this world. Those who hold onto this large amounts of wealth can be viewed as evil, or at the very least neutral. They stand by and allow others who are suffering to continue to suffer. and those who are suffering are suffering largely because of the actions of greedy men who have taken any sort of opportunity for them to provide a stable way of life for themselves. Now, in a world of evil, that's ok. they can take as much as they want, from whoever they want. and likewise, the poor who have had any responsible means to provide for themselves should be expected to be violent, and look to irresponsible means to support themselves, such as stealing, prostitution, drug dealing, gang crime, and/or contract murders. But even evil seeks order.

The strongest wouldn't be able to rule in chaos, because eventually they would be swept away in the chaos. so they must carefully devise rules and laws that keep them in control and keep those they steal from in bondage. Those who would go to irresponsible means to support themselves are risks to their power, so they try and keep those who would go to those means in prison or in fear. This is one way they keep control over the bad men. But they also must have control over the good men, and keep them silent. fear works well here, but not all men will stay silent for fear of punishment. So just like prison is designed to control the bad men, finding a way to appeal to the good men is an important task to accomplish. And the way to accomplish that is to gain the good men's trust. Good men will remain silent if they think that they do not have to speak out. "charity" or "philanthropy" makes the good men think the strongest are kind, while punishing the "criminals" makes them think that the government is just, and wars to "protect" our "freedoms" from a phantom enemy that doesn't exist (unless those in power on both sides of the war decide to create it's existence) makes them think that the strongest are righteous.

The goal is to leave good men thinking that all that could be done to make this world a better place is occurring. The strongest will tell many lies that will leave the good men thinking the reason that so much evil is still in the world is because the world is a complicated place, too complicated for them to understand. The good men in their confusion will believe this lie. after all they can at least see all the "good things" that are being done by the strongest, so they believe the have reason to trust the strongest to make the decisions for the world. And thus, the good men stay silent, and that's exactly what evil needs to succeed.

Confusion is a most important tool, as it's used on both the good and bad men. If neither group is able to see who the true enemy is, they will direct their focus towards another enemy. And if their isn't an enemy for these men to direct their focus to, then the strongest will create an enemy. and so bad men kill bad men(gang wars), and good men kill good men(wars), and the innocent who do not go to war suffer through all of this. These men believe the lies, and live in a land of confusion. They don't realize why they're really fighting, it's not for them, but it's for the strongest. Their hatred of the enemy is artificial, the feeling was created by the strongest. What do crips really hate about bloods? What do citizens of one country hate about citizens of another country that's thousands of miles away? All men are created equal, all men have the same goal. all men want happiness. What makes them happy differs from person to person, and how they get that happiness determines their character. But in this world controlled by the strongest, happiness is being restrained. They steal from us, they lie to us, they have us divided, and they have us destroy each other. And they have to repeat this cycle to ensure they remain the strongest.

In this world ruled by the strongest, unless you are one of the strongest, there is a limit to what you can enjoy. Whether a good man or bad man, they own you. If you wish to be free then you must discover what it truly means to be a good man, and you must be a good man that is free from their control. Good is the only way to defeat the strongest. Because the strongest are not strong unless they can control the weak. who goes to war for the strongest, when the good men refuse? the bad men must learn what it means to be good men, unless they wish to continue to be servants to the strongest. Perhaps fighting the good men when they make their stand will gain the bad men a bigger dog dish from their masters, but all that will get put into that bowl is more scraps that the masters decide to give them. And if they're going to be satisfied with scraps tossed to the floor, why be a bad man in the first place when being a good man can gain you a seat at the table?



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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Hi ThePiemaker,


how would you know who the dogs and rats were if the dogs and rats didn't act like dogs and rats because they knew they were being judged?


Maybe the problem is that they don't know that they actually are being judged? Even if only by their own soul. You know what they say, "Fear is the beginning of wisdom."


Good takes it's own kind of strength. I feel good's a more fulfilling way no matter who you are.


Yep. The bad never leads to anything of true lasting value. Hence the need to continually blame the world for their own misery and justify their wickedness to get what's their's.


Those who hold onto this large amounts of wealth can be viewed as evil, or at the very least neutral. They stand by and allow others who are suffering to continue to suffer.


No doubt there are evil rich men and women, but some might be very good and offer much in the form of charity, education and also be an example of how hard work and discipline can benefit themselves and others. They can also be an example of how one is not really a victim if one chooses to take full responsibility for oneself. Even in a world full of rats.


Confusion is a most important tool, as it's used on both the good and bad men. If neither group is able to see who the true enemy is, they will direct their focus towards another enemy. And if their isn't an enemy for these men to direct their focus to, then the strongest will create an enemy. and so bad men kill bad men(gang wars), and good men kill good men(wars), and the innocent who do not go to war suffer through all of this. These men believe the lies, and live in a land of confusion. They don't realize why they're really fighting, it's not for them, but it's for the strongest. Their hatred of the enemy is artificial, the feeling was created by the strongest. What do crips really hate about bloods? What do citizens of one country hate about citizens of another country that's thousands of miles away? All men are created equal, all men have the same goal. all men want happiness. What makes them happy differs from person to person, and how they get that happiness determines their character. But in this world controlled by the strongest, happiness is being restrained. They steal from us, they lie to us, they have us divided, and they have us destroy each other. And they have to repeat this cycle to ensure they remain the strongest.


The ending of confusion is when one starts to realize that it doesn't really matter what anyone else does. All that matters is the choices one makes for oneself. No stronger individual or group is making anyone else hate another. That is a personal choice that we are guilty of and why we are here amongst the rats and dogs in the first place. Those who are blaming others for their hatred, rather than becoming responsible for and overcoming their own feelings of hatred, are confused and missing the point for being here. That is the only confusion in this regard. Would some evil beings take advantage of this confusion to manipulate others into thinking they can blame an external enemy for their own misery and hatred? You bet. That's how they get you to join their ranks and justify their need to be evil.


In this world ruled by the strongest, unless you are one of the strongest, there is a limit to what you can enjoy. Whether a good man or bad man, they own you. If you wish to be free then you must discover what it truly means to be a good man, and you must be a good man that is free from their control.


If happiness is dependent on freedom, then understanding what true freedom is would logically result in true happiness and enjoyment. What if true freedom is the falling away of the confusion that anyone else, thing, or circumstance has the power to make you feel hatred or misery? Then you could be (internally) free always. No perceived stronger being or organization could take that internal freedom away. Maybe this is what true strength is. The rats and dogs who feel they have the right to be evil because it was done to them are really weak slaves blaming external beings and circumstances for their behavior. Such excuses don't wash at the pearly gates when the judgment for one's actions comes down.

So, let the rats and dogs keep on making their violent porn and being responsible for manipulating many young innocent minds on the net today into that weakness, confusion and darkness. Lying to themselves that that kind of behavior is where happiness can be found. It's their choice and the choice of all those who follow that road. All that evil can do is seduce and tempt. It's the individual who makes the choice whether to be seduced, or not.

I'm not denyng that deciding what is good and what is bad can be tricky and only determined by the intentions of the one who is performing the actions. All one can do is decide for oneself what one's own intentions really are and let others make their own choices. Each will suffer or enjoy the consequences of their decisions in this perfectly just universe.

Just some thoughts.



posted on Apr, 23 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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wait...what was this thread about again? you guys are talking about violence or people or what, i feel i can just say anything about anything here because its sort of seems its about everything.
first i dont like what some people here said about everyone for himself and being evil works best. actually being good works pretty well which is what animals do too, if one shows compassion to others he will receive too in time of need. try being evil and see who will care about you. of course its a loose theory because alot if things contradict that such as rich get richer by doing bad and gangs get what they want. also socially alot of women fall for the bad guy rather than the good one, making it tempting to be bad, all that gets you things. but in the long run being good works and you will die happy knowing that people didn't regret knowing you. help your fellow man because you need them more than they will need you.
secondly, i realize people say porn is just acting and get paid for it but comon man in other countries child prostitutes also get paid and is consensual but its wrong. you must understand that what leads a person to do or involve himself in such things is because of a traumatic experience that effected that person and no one helped him through it. all pornstars especially women have either been rapped, beaten, treated like crap by someone, etc during their childhood. so if someone says they like being choked doesn't mean its ok because that an indicator that that person is seriously troubled and people are taking advantage of that to make easy money. instead we should guide people to live a righteous living free of evil, degradation. because if we let that happen under the umbrella of freedom we risk our own degradation as a species.



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by ThePiemaker
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In a world ruled by evil, good is probably the smarter move for the weaklings, while the strong can choose to be evil and stand a decent chance to not pay for the choice later on. You have to know the limits of your own evil. The strongest rule in a world of evil, and so long as you don't cross anyone stronger at an inopportune time, or someone stronger decides to cross you at an opportune time, then you can thrive by being evil in a world of evil.


There's no such thing as good or evil. Those are just labels created by people who want you to conform to their limited world views. Basically, the definition of "evil" or "good" depends on the individuals. For example, I know that I've never done anything wrong in my life because I wouldn't have chosen to do it if I didn't think it was the right decision for myself. If I have to ruin the lives of everyone else in the universe for one instant of pleasure for myself, I'll do it - and it will be good.... For me. That's all that matters.



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