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Violence and pornography

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posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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Okay this has been bothering me for some time...

First of all, I don't really bother with pornography as it doesn't really do anything for me, although I'm not prudish and understand that for some people it's a thrill and can be satisfying to an extent.

In my youth I've seen the usual stuff (and then some), or so I thought...

My point being, I witnessed some 'mainstream' porn the other day at a friends house and it was quite shocking.

This wasn't any 'speciality' porn, this involved more or less famous porn actors and actresses (to the best of my knowledge).... but contained some very shocking sex scenes.

I don't know what the legality of discussing such instances on this site may be, but for some one who isn't normally shocked at much, i have to say this was quite sickening...

I know in the 70's and 80's porn was relatively tame compared to todays standards, but I never expected to see such disregard for people.

So... is this what we've come to?

A world where our cheap thrills are crossing the line into depraved acts, such as strangulation and rough sex and deprevation?

Also, I also understand that ANYBODY can watch video's of people being hurt and killed in things like youtube, such as accidents, injuries and disasters... I mean WHY???

What pleasure will you get from watching a woman get hit by a train or a man on fire or someone getting choked in a sex scene?

I've never been one for censorhip really, assuming that people can make their own minds up, but i would be MORTIFIED if I knew my children were watching a porn actress get choked or downloading clips of so called 'happy slappers' (essentially an assault caught on a mobile phone).

I always thought I was open minded, but this is verging on the sinister.

What are your thoughts?

Are we turning into a sadistic race?




posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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I agree this is some disturbing stuff. I used to know guys back in high school who would watch those websites with videos of people getting killed or fatally injured.

These dudes would actually laugh as they were watching it. I was thinking, "WTF?!? These guys are freakin' creeps."

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them turn out to be serial killers. Actually they're probably too stupid.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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In order for society to enter its final stretch of its life, the people must force a moral untethering of the very virtues civilization where founded on, to complete the circle from barbarism, to civilized, back to barbarism. Moral and ethical decay has long since started in the Western world, and will culminate in its destruction.

Seeing violence which once would have been considered illegal or at the very least disgusting or revolting, is now every day normal. So in pornography to see the complete disregard of humans, bringing them essentially down to animals, is not shocking, surprising, or in any way phases me. It is a mirror, a representation of the people which make up this society, and so you can see it related in the news, on the streets, in the very people them selves.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
Also, I also understand that ANYBODY can watch video's of people being hurt and killed in things like youtube, such as accidents, injuries and disasters... I mean WHY???

What pleasure will you get from watching a woman get hit by a train or a man on fire or someone getting choked in a sex scene?


I have watched some graphic accidents and injury on you tube and I can explain exactly why from my personal view point.

I am and always have been quite a squeemish person, I am quite sensitive to other peoples pain and emotions too, but as I have grown older I have found that life and understanding becomes harder and harsher.

I find no amusement in 'these' peoples demise but I do find a learning and conditioning in the content for me.

I dont search for this type of media but if I come accross it I will push myself to bare it in a kind of hope that it will make my mind and stomach stronger.

Also accidents and injury are inevitable in life and I hope that if I came accross somebody in need of assistance I could look past the gore and attempt to help.

My last reason on the subject with things like stacked bodys from genocide, public executions in some middle eastern cultures and bloodshed due to war, I will make myself view some of this stuff so that my soul can see the horror and evil that mankind is capable of, and in watching it make myself a better person and build my empathy.

I know this is not realy where you were going with this thread but as in the paragraph above some people need to see horrible stuff to open thier eyes to the world.

I would never laugh or enjoy somebody suffer, that, as you have pointed out, is just wrong!

Mind you it is not just the internet either, lots of missfortune is covered on the TV.

Peace and regards S_G



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Thanks for the replies so far...

I appreciate the fact that some stuff in regards to the videos of injuries, deaths etc maybe there to make people realise how fragile life can be, and i also understand that humanity cannot shield itself from such issues, we cannot become too 'fluffy' and protected lest we live in ignorance, but my original point may have been a bit vague...

More so WHY, people are doing this?

Is it a market that has been forced on us? Or a market that has adapted to our needs?

Are we a reflection of what 'they' want us to be, or are we the people who demand this degrading stuff?

Like I say, I'm no stranger to violence, I come from a post-industrial town where there does exist some un-hinged, small minded people, i've travelled also and seen with my own eyes, the best and worst in humanity and although I am a bit squeemish, I certainly learned to toughen up and face what life could throw at me.

But i didn't go on youtube and search for sick death videos for ENJOYMENT like the above poster thehumbleone mentioned he'd seen others do, and i really could not imagine what thought-frame that could allow such things as scat videos, brutal sex and faked rape scenes.... to become almost main stream.

well maybe I can... it's money at the end of the day.

But that's what pisses me off.

OK some people at the top of the chain make a lot of moeny, but why are the people at the end of the chain so engrossed in it?????

Two years ago I was working in a warehouse, where you kind of expect the general crude stuff that come from the lads, but one guy in particular would go around showing everybody some really sick videos on his mobile phone.... videos of pigs having their heads chainsawed off, videos of hostages and soldiers being beheaded, videos of people fighting in the street and kicking the seven shades of s**t out of each other and he'd laugh all the way through each one.

Fair enough, he was probably just desensitized to it, but more and more and more people are getting like this, desensitized... I'm seeing this pattern emerge around me.

Lots of people get their kicks out of watching people suffer.

That's what saddens me.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by mr-lizard]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Violence is entertaining as long as it's not happening to you. I used to be one of those guys who laughed at people being murdered. It was fun. We're violent by nature, we're meat-eaters. we kill animals to eat their meat. Humans are just another animal. We don't eat each other, well most of us don't, but we do have other disputes which can be settled with violence. Might is right.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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If there is a demand for it, it will exist.

Censoring it will only ensure that it is watched.

Banning it will only push it underground.

In short there is nothing we can do, except that wait to see if in the long run, such barbarousness may be bred out of the human race by evolution. Somehow I doubt it, but to judge humanity as a whole is a ridiculous proposition. Content yourself with knowing that you are a good man, and that you have led a good life my friend. That is all that you can hope for these days...



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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The thing is i'm only 25...

Feeling old already, especially when a younger generation has erupted from the 'birth of the internet' , if you work it out, in my youth, only music and television could corrupt you and then it was only on four channels and everything was pretty much tame by todays standards...

Our computer games were primitive... commodore 64's, atari's amiga's, snes, sega etc...

The internet was unheard of, people got mugged but never beaten into coma's, gangs only fought other gangs, nowadays the little creeps around my town play games, where they score points. 50 points for punching a stranger, 200 points for getting a phone off their victim.... stuff like that.

BUT then technology evolved.... we got faster servers, better graphics cards, the developement of cheaper film production techniques (CGI), then things like video sharing technology evolved and then every wierdo on the web was sharing their perversions to everybody else...

Every film got more and more brutal... (Saw series anyone? Hostel I and II?)

In the papers in my youth, we would hear about the odd murder, once or twice a year and it would be shocking.

But in my weekly free paper, I'm reading about two or three or four murders a week in my home town.
Father of two stomped to death by youths.
Polish girl held in back of van for three hours before being stabbed and set alight.
Boy 11 shot dead in park.

I'm not particlary worried about myself, I can handle most things.... but i've got younger and older family members... and the thought of some sick, little freak hurting them chills me to the bone.

Not just that, but if I hit one of these kids in self defence, I would be the one locked up!!!

God I sound old...


[edit on 20-4-2008 by mr-lizard]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by ThePiemaker
Violence is entertaining as long as it's not happening to you. I used to be one of those guys who laughed at people being murdered. It was fun. We're violent by nature, we're meat-eaters.


and if it was a video of your own mother/brother/sister/neighbour getting deep throated, gang raped and then beaten to a pulp.... I'm sure you'd still laugh.



Sorry for my crudeness, but he's just proven my point.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 08:09 PM
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Fact is, they weren't related to me, so if I was amused by their pain there wasn't a reason for me not to laugh. I know where you're going with this, whoever I was watching get killed was someone's brother/father/son/etc., but you can say the same for the murderer. Strangers I don't know related to other strangers I don't know. If seeing the guy get murdered didn't affect me, why would the fact that a family may be grieving over his death affect me?

You can be disgusted, but that accomplishes nothing. You gotta get comfortable with evil. Know that it exists, don't divert your eyes when you see it. If you don't like it, then do something to stop it.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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Ok

first question:

Why do you find pain amusing? Does it make you feel better? Make you wanna be the killer? The victim? Does it make you happy that it's not you suffering that unspeakable pain, thus making you feel better?
Do you just get a rush seeing someone helpless?

So your second point being me being disgusted at what I've seen and that therefore accomplishes nothing, yet you continue by saying do something about it?

You contradict yourself.

I've never diverted my eyes from anything... Although unlike you I take no pleasure.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by mr-lizard]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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simply being disgusted does nothing. It takes action along with your feelings to accomplish something.

Why I felt that way? Why not? It's natural for humans to be entertained by violence. Three stooges, jackass, Godfather, Sopranos, contact sports, mixed martial arts, hunting... violence = ratings.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThePiemaker
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simply being disgusted does nothing. It takes action along with your feelings to accomplish something.

Why I felt that way? Why not? It's natural for humans to be entertained by violence. Three stooges, jackass, Godfather, Sopranos, contact sports, mixed martial arts, hunting... violence = ratings.



I believe that we humans have a dual nature. We have both the urge to do good and evil. I know what you're trying to say. The Romans watched death for fun in the Coliseum, but does that really make it right? Just cause other people do it doesn't make it right either. Most humans are not independent thinkers at all though. The Milgram experiment is the perfect example of what I mean.

Just cause we have a dual nature doesn't mean that it makes it right for us to do something bad, such as murder for example. It's up too you to choose which part of your nature you will allow to rule your life. I personally try to the follow the good side of my being.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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Same here. I'm all about peace, but what reason is there for the strong to avoid violence? What makes violence wrong, when this world is based upon it?



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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being a fireman for years and seeing some horrible things- you become accustommed to it and laughter is the best medicine even if you want to cry. helps you get over it. as for the topic- some people are just sick and get off choking/beating/raping etc - they should be removed from society.if the recieving person wants it -ok( to freaky for me) but that is between those individuals



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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@ thePieMaker

Like I said, it's up to you to follow what you want. You can choose to believe violence is ok, or you can choose to believe it's wrong.

If you have no backbone for the belief in "right" or "wrong," or have a naturally nihilistic world view, then this is pretty useless trying to explain it to you.

So what if violence is part of the world? Does that mean we constantly need to be reminded of it?

I'd much rather go watch a comedy or romantic movie with a woman instead. Don't get me wrong, Some of my favorite movies such as The matrix and 300 are violent, but that's not what I enjoy about them at all. I like them cause of the philosophy and inspiration they provide.




[edit on 20-4-2008 by thehumbleone]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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not sure how to say this- but WHO is to say what is right and what is wrong? if i owned a small island in the pacific and was my own country and decreed as pres all women are available at any given time and must subject or else be beheaded is that wrong? what it comes down to is people forcing their beliefs on others and making them believe that. perfect example is the cre crusades, spanish inquision, the romans etc



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 11:06 PM
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Yes, that is wrong. Unless the women like being raped or beheaded. But what's to stop you from doing what's wrong, if you can get away with doing what's wrong?



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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Well I believe God decreed what is right and wrong.

And if you don't believe that, like I said above:

If you have no backbone for the belief in "right" or "wrong," or have a naturally nihilistic world view, then this is pretty useless trying to explain it to you.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by ThePiemaker
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You can be disgusted, but that accomplishes nothing. You gotta get comfortable with evil. Know that it exists, don't divert your eyes when you see it. If you don't like it, then do something to stop it.


Man being comfortable and laughing at it is two totally different things, I think you may have had a bad childhood.




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