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The problem with ATS at times.....

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posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 12:48 PM
reply to post by indierockalien

"I've heard discontent by a certain mod who didn't feel like being a mod was really helping anything, saying they didn't wanna be a mod anymore."

Did you read that thread? The title was an attention getter to applaud the membership. He said nothing about not wanting to be a mod.

As to censorship, read my posts above.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 12:52 PM
reply to post by indierockalien

I suppose having that "Moderator" thing on my avatar makes me more noticeable, but really, We mods interfere as little as we can. We want self policing. We want self responsibility.

Trust me, I know of no one that wants to give warnings or ban a member. But let's face it, not everyone is on the same page when it comes to being responsible posters. And if we let the yelling start, some people will be drowned out.

Is it so far fetched that a rather timorous person might have a great idea or question? Should all the attention only go to the loudest members? Should a loud member have the right to shout down the less gregarious? Equality is a tangible thing, and some cannot be more equal than others. By all means, we need to hash out the truth from a world of lies; but we can do that without resorting to the law of the jungle.

And people don't get warned and banned right out of the blocks. Usually there's U2Us sent, explanations made. Mods take into consideration that a new member may not understand cyber civility. We want the person to stay, but to not be abusive to others. If they fail to understand, for whatever reason, then we protect the timid members, as well as the loudmouths, by penalizing those who refuse to calm down.

But it must be the members that lead by example. It is only by setting a good example, day in and day out, that progress will be made. You are the template for new members, and for this reason, more is expected of you. If a member here four days calls someone an idiot, I'll edit it out quickly, in hopes that no feelings are hurt, and send a U2U and an explanation, with links. But if a member with 27,436 points, 19 applauses, and a post count in the thousands does it, I do not feel so charitable. For they are not only thumbing their nose at the whole community, but they're setting a bad example.

We all need to be the poster that excites a mind, not a negative emotion.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 05:15 PM
Pardon me, by the way, OP. didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Ah-Continue with the clorophyl.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Dulcimer
reply to post by indierockalien

Do you believe that if we encounter a spammer that we should just let it happen and let the members decided when to ignore it?

Spammers or any threats to a person's inalienable rights NOT to be solicited are very due reasons for viligance... but I dunno, socilitation seems okay here, for the most part. As long as you pay to do it.

There are people on here who care abut other member's feelings, and that is why cnsoring is not neccessary. There are those insensible people who do all sorts of funny business while on anonymous chat forums... BUT I think the caring and compassion shown by many members outweighs the not... and people who are easily turned into an inward pessimist because of one little comment should be aware of the risk they take by stepping into a forum where debates are happening. People get offended too easily. This is why we have the rediculous FCC controlling our daily media input. Same wolf, different sheepskin.

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 08:15 PM
Terms and Conditions can be amended, if neccessary... and... man, this thought spiral has taken me to places i've never gone when thinking about this site... but it seems that, in the best interests of keeping this website's reputation rather well maintained for as long as it is able to exist, it should stick to it's motto, and not try sneaking by the view of the unsuspecting, inexperienced, and confused minds just looking for the truth, under the guise of Terms and Conditions. Some are necessary, I agree. Like members soliciting products to other members, keeping pornography off the site because obviously there's other places to look at naked women doing inappropriate things... and generally keeping the focus of the main ideals of the site's motto intact... but these are important issues we're dealing with (sometimes), like 9/11. You can't expect no emotional flare ups to happen when passionately debating about a subject that has affected us all so much. The thing to recognise is that people in the real world can be a lot more unforgiving about it. They could beat your ass for even mentioning a single word against the government, and believe me there are those folks out there. I'm sure you believe me about that. A few people calling each other idiots will police itsself. We're not committing any hanus crimes by saying this as such... and another reason WHY keeping the free speech thing so intact is because , even though this is a private site, it's still WE THE PEOPLE who make or break it. We have as much claim to it as anybody.

The disasterous rise of undue influence that hides behind the guise of member security and the innocence of children exists here. I kind of ripped off a Dwight D. Eisenhower line there, but I didn't remember the exact quote. This one is custom tailored to the ATS audience.

Once again.... I will remove my voice from this thread.

But it's a lot more than just arguments we should be worried about here. We shouldn't even worry about the arguments, because people can and do step in to chill everybody out. If not a mod (which I have no qualms about having mods because all forums do...), then someone else should politely remind someone until it is clear that they just don't get it and just don't belong here.

I don't have to tell you that some members have mysteriously disappeared from this site... members who were upstanding posters. Maybe I didn't read the one or two posts that got some of the members I'm referring to banned... but I read the ones that got them respected and look upon as logical. Everybody has their bad days, or months, or weeks. And, I don't need proof, just overwhelming testimony, that not everybody on here is cooking up conspiracy stories in their heads... have you ever taken into consideration the very real trauma someone could be dealing with in some of these situations?

A lotta people died on 9/11, and in the wars that followed, and we've been shaken to our very core, slapped around, beaten, dropped on our heads... and someone coins the term "9/11 MADNESS?" and uses that term to justify some people who are in very real pain about the events that transpired, and the worry for their country and their homes... to justify them being thrown out because YEAH this bends people outta shape. It should. People need to wake up, and coddling them like babies won't do that.

I'm sorry I can't provide evidence for those who are one the fence or on the other side of the fence... but this website is important to people. Don't let it die a shallow meaningless death, unless the deed is already done. I dunno. I'm just stating what I have observed.

I am a staunch supporter of the Beatles song, "Let It Be".

feel free to bring up my past....right about..... nnnnnnow.


posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 09:49 AM
I think some of the problems arise from members being unable to budge an inch from thier opinions, even when they have been obviously proved wrong by other members.

Some people are willing to take it on the chin, learn, grow and contribute more as a result. Some are not, and unfortunately this is when it turns nasty.

What everyone here needs to remember is, personal opinions WILL vary on every topic discussed on this site. Some subjects will be very personal to some members and will be bound to raise passionate debate.

Whether it's from the newest member, to the three amigo's, my utmost respect always goes to the guy who can apologize on the public forum and accept with dignity and good manners that others may have a different opinion that his own.

Ego's are horrible things at times, and unfortunately this place has as many as any other site on the internet.

Only difference is here, within a few pages or less, the stubborn ego and all the comes with it, is generally nipped in the bud asap.

I could name any number of websites that allow all kinds of abuse to run indefinately.

ATS is not perfect by any length, but has got to be around the top of the scale as far as websites go, and also from the perspective of professional, intelligent discussion, this place is worlds apart from most.


posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 10:09 AM
I think the phrase is "you cant please everyone"

I've had a couple of run-ins with the mods and each time I've explained myself in what I like to call reasonable terms and we've settled the matter quite well (at least I think we have anyway)

To the OP, I do quite like the arguments, as long as the arguments are (vaguely) relative to the topic, and doesnt just sink into pointless name calling, let that be a lesson to all you so called pseudo scientists!

The mods are doing a good job considering the nature of the site. This view may change with time and I may have something nasty to say about them, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it

posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 10:17 AM
I do believe ATS is a wonderful site. A place for all to share.

There is a wide spectrum of people who contribute here. Many people from a variety of backgrounds, with different life experiences to add to sometimes, colorful conversation.

People are serious, knowledgable, questionable, steadfast, fence post riders, righteous, prophetic, silly, funny, truthful, full of bs, and everything else in between.

A lot of the time, it is hard to read between the lines, and sometimes it isn't.

I would hope that people realize this place, is an example of the real world at times, and what and who you encounter on a daily basis in life.

Somtimes you have to hit the ignore button to get to the good stuff, but when you do, you might miss a golden nugget!

I just tend to skip over the nasty bits! You can usually tell which ones those are in the first few words.

Everything is good really. I couldn't expect anything more, or anything less!

[edit on 21-4-2008 by Enthralled Fan]

posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Vimes
Well not with ATS as such, but with some of the users on here.

Someone posts a thread, and someone replies, and some person might not like the reply of that person and a conflict starts for the next 3 pages.

Now the problem is i clicked on that thread because i was interested in it, and what people had to say about it.

Instead, i have to read 3 - 4 pages of people insulting each other.

Is it just me or should something be done about this ?


[edit on 20-4-2008 by Vimes]

So maybe we should start another thread that gets people complaining and arguing about people complaining and arguing on ATS. I think the very nature of some of the forums breeds this conflict. The fact that people can pretty much claim and say what ever they want without having to provide anything substantial only fuels the frustration of people who are already feeling let down by mainstream avenues of information......and so you get people who take things personally(which given the intention of the site is understandable), we can see this manifest in the threads....and so they break down, reply and counter replies, the arguement becomes more personal rather than subjective as it is based on personal content, after all if there is no evidence to attack, no material to question!!!........its great for ATS. I bet it keeps people coming back. Who wants to say i'm wrong.....go on....

posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 10:38 AM
reply to post by Mark Roazhar

I like that "can't please everyone" line. It's true. There is nothing the staff could do, or not do, that wouldn't have someone saying mean and nasty things to their keyboard about us. (You know who you are, and you know it's true.

All we can do is the best we can, the rest is up to you.

And Mark, I haven't anything bad to say about you either. Right now. That could change, but it's a bridge I'll cross when I get to it.

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