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How the rich starved the world

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posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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How the rich starved the world


newstatesman.com...

World cereal stocks are at an all-time low, food-aid programmes have run out of money and millions face starvation. Yet wealthy countries persist with plans to use grain for petrol. Plus Iain Macwhirter on how food prices are rocketing.

The irony is extraordinary. At a time when world leaders are expressing grave concern about diminishing food stocks and a coming global food crisis, our government brings into force measures to increase the use of biofuels
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 19-4-2008 by Karlhungis]

[edit on 19-4-2008 by Karlhungis]




posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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Another interesting look on the current food crisis and how the wealthy nations of the word seem to be wanting to escalate it.


What biofuels do is undeniable: they take food out of the mouths of starving people and divert them to be burned as fuel in the car engines of the world's rich consumers. This is, in the words of the United Nations special rapporteur on the right to food, Jean Ziegler, nothing less than a "crime against humanity". It is a crime the UK government seems determined to play its part in abetting. The Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO), introduced on 15 April, mandates petrol retailers to mix 2.5 per cent biofuels into fuel sold to motorists. This will rise to 5.75 per cent by 2010, in line with European Union policy.



There has to be another way to go about this. It makes me think that we are flexing our muscles to show the world how important the food producing countries of the world are.


(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 19-4-2008 by Karlhungis]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 12:50 AM
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If they can do it to them, they can do it to you.


When a privileged world becomes callous to the needs of the rest of humanity, that crime they permit by inaction will, sooner or later, be visited upon those who let the crime persist.


"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King


There are so many solutions to this problem. Is humanity ready for them? Can the masses shrug aside the current power system and move on?


Where is all the development and funding for electric cars, wind power, solar power, cold fusion, or "free" energy devices? We need these now more than ever.


jhh

posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:11 AM
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What if the same speculators that are running up the price of oil are also running up the price of grains, in hopes of shutting down the biofuel industry. I maybe in the minority, but I have always felt that biofuel industry was being sabotaged by the oil barons. Think about it, if by some weird miracle the infrastructure of two competing, compatible fuel sources were actually developed. Who benefits, who looses.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by jhh
What if the same speculators that are running up the price of oil are also running up the price of grains, in hopes of shutting down the biofuel industry. I maybe in the minority, but I have always felt that biofuel industry was being sabotaged by the oil barons. Think about it, if by some weird miracle the infrastructure of two competing, compatible fuel sources were actually developed. Who benefits, who looses.


That is a very good point. Certainly worth considering.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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Isn't it ironic that John Edwards decries a "two Americas" situation, as he calls it, yet his millions were made while helping build that division through investing in hedge funds that ultimately speculated commodity prices through the roof?

Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree that the time has come to cease this ethanol/biofeul charade and also recognize that peak oil is a farce. Hydrocarbons are abiotic and there are scores of resources on this planet from which we can get our oil. The environmental extremists appear poised to get what they ultimately wanted... population decline through famine and starvation alongside a political scene in which any politician that doesn't vocally support the pseudoscience behind the demonization of CO2 emissions is immediately reviled and dismissed by the ignorant masses. There's no reason oil should be above the $70 a barrel threshold at which it becomes viable to extract it from oil sand deposits and there's no reason whatsoever for our feed grains to be wasted creating an even more limited feul resource than what's under our very feet.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:34 AM
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The first service the bush administration passed was to stop the birth control programs in Africa which was the biggest single act of evil I have seen. Throw another cocktail party, invite the elitists as your guests At the cost of millions of lives.

Food has been centralized, compartmentalized and is so controlled down to the last can. When the military steps into food production and distribution, you know that it is time to think wisely.

Famine is headed our way, famine and drought. Question is, will it be before the major events coming into play in the next 4-5 years or will they have the plan fully implemented and controlled before?

Perhaps they dont plan on too many being left.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Isn't it also a crime to handle/use/receive illegal or stolen goods?

The food stolen from the mouths of the hungry passed on as fuel and given to motorists.

These motorists are then themselves recipients of the fact. Criminals.

Using criminally gained goods for profit, as the goods were sold for profit by the owners.

Not only will every petrol station, Bio-fuel producer and government/business personnel be responsible, the citizens who use such fuel will be responsible too.

Who is going to stand up and have them all arrested under a charge of crimes against humanity and handling/producing illegal goods in an illegal manner for profit?



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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I don't think you can put the blame on the motorists like that. The motorists would use grape jelly if that is what they sold at the pumps.

What you are talking about becomes a complicated issue. Shouldn't at least some of the blame be placed on the governments of the starving nations for allowing their countries to grow beyond their means? On the same note, should this be a wake up call to the rest of the world that we have a population problem and perhaps some sort of measure needs to be put in place to prevent people from having too many kids?

Then again, this all could be an engineered crisis with the intention of ushering in new powers and policies by the wealthy nations of the world.....

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posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:09 AM
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the human race has gotten out of hand... what other species which is at the top of the food chain has numbers as great as 6-7 billion..? none. what we are doing now is unnatural..

i hate to do it but i think i may have to quote the matrix. the human race is a virus on this planet, unable to form an equilibrium with our environment, so who are the criminals? the ones that breed the human race to an early extinctions or the ones who try return the balance world?

because what we are doing now is unsustainable



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:16 AM
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If only British law saw it that way.

Unknowingly receiving stolen/illegal goods still makes you an accomplice to the fact. You're still guilty of handling said items.

Yes, everyone involved in the growing of, production of, sale of and legislation of food for fuel are as guilty as each other.

Someone e-mails you a 3 minute video of copyrighted material..you're guilty of receiving pirated media whether you watched it or not, you allowed the video to arrive at your computer.

You're in town, a friend passes you a bottle so you can have a sip of his drink, you're then both arrested as he'd just stolen the drink from a shop, you're charged with receiving stolen goods.

Yes it is a bit extreme examples but it does happen and that is British law.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:22 AM
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Well, I guess the issue I am having trouble with is how you are classifying the food as stolen. Farmers grow it and sell it. Biofuel manufacturers are not stealing the food, they are buying it. I don't see where the starving people of the world are legally required to be given food. Morally, yes it is wrong, but I still don't see how you can call it stealing.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 02:49 AM
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What biofuels do is undeniable: they take food out of the mouths of starving people and divert them to be burned as fuel in the car engines of the world's rich consumers.


From the quote you provided...

I may have over stretched the issue of food being taken from the mouths of the poor a little, but the principle is there.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by purplemonkey
... the human race is a virus on this planet


Not that I originated it, but I've been saying that for 10 years. Just view the Earth as a living organism... and what does a living organism do when it is infected/attacked by a virus? It fights back... the white blood cells are upon us.



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Extralien
Someone e-mails you a 3 minute video of copyrighted material..you're guilty of receiving pirated media whether you watched it or not, you allowed the video to arrive at your computer.


It would have to be proven that:


  1. You knew it was pirated and therefore subject to copyright
  2. That you actually watched it


It would usually only be the sender of said item that would be charged, if the Police ever felt like investigating such a menial charge anyway. The receiver may be arrested, but I doubt in a month of Sundays that you would be charged, unless there was compelling evidence proving your complicity in said crime. You cannot control what people send you in e-mails and as such, can only be prosecuted if you send it on.

Rather like if someone sends you porn to your work e-mail. Their filters might pick it up and identify you as the recipient, but they couldn't take action against you unless you forwarded it on, as you have no control over what is sent to you.


Originally posted by Extralien
You're in town, a friend passes you a bottle so you can have a sip of his drink, you're then both arrested as he'd just stolen the drink from a shop, you're charged with receiving stolen goods.


You may be arrested if the Police caught you and your friend, but as long as you were not present at the time of the robbery, the Police would not have a case against you, so no charges would be brought as it is unprovable you had a reasonable idea it was stolen.

Buying a DVD player off a guy in the Pub, however, is a different matter. It can be reasonably assumed that someone flogging expensive items for cheap in a pub is selling hooky gear, so anyone buying it must have an inkling that it is dodgy.

On the flip side, if a shop in the high street is selling knock off gear, then you cannot be held responsible for the handling of stolen goods as you could argue successfully that you had no reason to believe the items were stolen.

Anyhoo, sorry for veering off topic, just thought I'd clear up the legal situation in the UK.



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