reply to post by jimmyx

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I sincerely appreciate your concern Jimmyx.

However, with the amount of emails I've sent out from my home and work, to anybody who might listen, containing, no doubt, many of these "KEY" you refer to, I have no illusions of anonymity to those who might wish to seek me out.

IMO, The Second Amendment being interpreted as it was written, will be my last resort against just such an infringement.

I'm pretty confident that many others share my sentiments on this.

Thanks

reply to post by fatdad

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interesting...out here in california, i happened to be passing thru a town (oakdale) on a 4-lane road. they positioned a person on the opposing side to step out into a crosswalk, and there were local police there to stop anyone that did not stop before the crosswalk. since the pedestrian was on the other side of the street when she stepped off of the curb, i did not see her, as i was paying attention to the traffic behind me and in front of me. i got a 105 dollar ticket for "not yielding to a pedestrian that entered a crosswalk". since the town was a good 50 miles away from where i lived, i just sent in the fine instead of trying to fight it.

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Oh I completely agree man. It can't be ignored, but you can't stop what has been done. All you can do is prevent. And you can't be everywhere at once. It usually just finds a way to take care of itself you know? Yeah that cop did a #ty thing, but what happens when he/she goes home. I am a believer in recipricole kharmaesque energy. People who do the wrong thing have wrong things happen to them. By wrong I mean bad and etc... Same with those who do good. A majority of humans are in the middle, we all do bad we all do good, we all have bad things happen we all have good things happen. And very rarely do you see an extreme. And when you do, it eventually gets punished.

Could this just be an "excercise" in Martial Law implimentation?
Sure seems that way to me.
The govvernment does not need our own troops for populace control. There are plenty of U.N. troops on our soil right now training for this purpose.

(Haven't figured out how to use the external source feature.) The below text should be in one of those boxes.
Republican Congressman Ron Paul recently appeared on nationally syndicated radio and again reiterated his deep concern that foreign troops are mobilizing outside and inside America to be used as assets in a martial law takeover by the Bush administration.

"It's a horrible precedent and it's all part of the NAFTA scheme and globalization and world government," Paul told the Alex Jones Show.

www.prisonplanet.com...








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reply to post by DimensionalDetective

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This just the states getting ready for the implementation of the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act Raises Fears of New Government Crackdown on Dissent.

This bill will be able to give state and local government to track down anything in their states that can be tagged as a terrorist act.

The government wants to keep the definition of terrorist and extremist as closed linked as possible to be able to go after regular citizens in America.



This bill will crackdown on any American that is unhappy with the government doings.



This bill will ensure that more laws to oppress the American people wll be created and enacted all in the name of protecting American citizens from itself.

The first body, a National Commission, would convene for eighteen months. A university-based “Center for Excellence” would follow, bringing together academic specialists to recommend laws and other measures.

www.democracynow.org...



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reply to post by FewWorldOrder

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i, for one, do not think it will come to that, but you echo alot of peoples sentiments. i have 2 guns, am a left leaning liberal, and i live out here in california, but i still love this country. not everyone that is patriotic, lives in idaho, drives a pickup, and listens to country music. there are quite a few like me that want the constitution to be followed, for the benefit of all political persuasions, ethnic groups, and economic classes. this is the true power that piece of paper holds.

reply to post by particalman86

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Our prisons control populations through the use of controlled movements of prisoners through checkpoints throughout the prisons to make sure they are not carrying contraband. Checkpoints are also used in War zones like IRAQ to make sure there are no terrorist carrying contraband.

These checkpoints work well in Prisons and they're accepted in Prisons because we all understand they have given up their rights after being convicted of a crime in a court of law and thus that is part of their punishment - to live in a controlled state compound where they will be subject to searches at checkpoints throughout the prison if they wish to move about.


Just who the hell do these bastards think they are treating Americans like they're convicted prisoners?

Checkpoints also work well in War zones where people understand if they want to move about they must subject themselves temporarily (until the war ends) to checkpoints & searches in order to cut down on contraband (munitions & bomb making materials) that can extend the War and cause more chaos in their lives.

I don't recall any bombings or anything like a War in the U.S. since Oklahoma City or 911. The U.S. is no War zone.

Now in certain areas of the U.S. they are testing the use of safety(sugar) checkpoints (aka crimesweeps) brought to us by those LEO's who've seen firsthand how well they work in Prison camps and War zones where they've got their training. They use the pretext of safety checkpoints looking for DUI, seatbelt violators, drug couriers, and of course domestic terrorist in order to get additional funding from Homeland Security, ignore the bill of rights through the Patriot Act & get the general public to accept these illegal checkpoints.

Once your vehicle comes to a checkpoint the LEO can begin routine interrogation and testing , visually check out the contents of the inside of the vehicle looking for any kind of a violation of the law. You are subject to an LEO's misinterpretation of your answers, your attitude, or what the officer sees in your vehicle, all without the right of legal counsel. All under the pretense of safety checkpoints

I don't recall being convicted of any crimes or being in a WAR zone, thus I will fight and complain about these illegal checkpoints as long as they exist.

Since, we're all considered terrorist until proved otherwise and we all agreed to the Patriot Act none of us have any rights anymore anyway, right?



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Thanks for another fine thread "Doom"ensionalDetective I know... ya' don't have to look too long before ya' find some effort to further the agenda, pretty much daily

I agree I am not for the 'crime sweep' thing. It's flat out martial law on a part-time basis... practicing to eventually go full-time. And we all know the "war on terror" is an invisible/made-up entity to replace the last scare tactic to control the sheeple... so I'm not for the "terror sweeps" either. If they have specific threats and knowledge of a "terror cell," by all means, go get 'em. Otherwise... {comments here are better left unsaid to avoid removal of my post}

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Yes, but IMO, only if our Nations' people demand that our Government follow the Ideals outlined in it.

Following content from capitolhillblue.com:

'' "... Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act."

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” "

Here's an article from the National Terror Alert Response Center



emphasis added

Full Story www.nationalterroralert.com...

"looking for anything out of the ordinary"

What does that mean? Brown skin? Middle Eastern Accent? Pictures of Osama Bin Laden?

We need to try and find out what happened. What buisnesses were raided? Who was taken away and where are they? I'm writing every talk show host and news agency I can to find out what has happened and if any American citizens have been declared detainees.

reply to post by jimmyx

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I understand. But I will not stop speaking or saying what I want to say. I cannot allow myself to slip into fear.

If I give up and let them have the power, even down to the very words that I write or speak, then they have already won the first step in controlling me.

If writing or speaking the word "terrorist" gets me flagged so be it. I would rather live free or die.

what they usually do here in Ontario is they do checkpoints to see if there is drunk drivers, they are always out on the long weekends, in addition they also set up speed traps, I also haven't really seen much of a large collective of police around here either.

This is Gestapo tactics. What our police are paid to do, if you ask the average joe (who pays the taxes) is to respond to a plea for help, and assist in investigating incidences where someone has had a plea for help on their lips.

It is NOT ok to burst into private property and ransack. So this falls WAY outside what they're "paid to do." It is not ok to "carpet bomb" the citizenry in an effort to find things hidden. There is no probable cause here!

It is inculcating society to accept this. To agree to this behavior on the part of our paid servants.

Geez. Why on EARTH would you defend this behavior?

And I am no coward. If there is a list, I'm already on it. There is evidence I am, but that is irrelevant. I stand up. I proclaim the truth as I see it. Call me Martyr if they get me.

One thing I was wondering, in regards to this thread...

What of all those police who accepted orders to behave like the Gestapo? What was going through their minds? Did they think about probable cause? Did they think about the fact that they violate the Bill of Rights every time they intruded on any individual against whom they had no probable cause?

Did they envision their behavior as part of the hope our Founding Individuals had when they wrote the Bill of Rights? Did they think that when they wrote, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized," they saw that to mean that we should be ok with police descending upon us with no probable cause or warrant?

These police raids don't make ME feel secure.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

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They did a national program like this a few years back, 2 years ago I believe or hell maybe it was last year.. anyways, they arrested several hundred in my county alone..

And the judicial / corrections department was freaking irate.. they where not told this was happening apparently, and everyone arrested they ended up letting go because the prisons where over crowded to begin with. I recall one warden simply saying on the news "it was absurd, counter productive and a waste of money"

They where bringing in "terrrrrist" for unpaid tickets, small amounts of drug possession, and back child payments.

So I wonder where all these unsuspecting citizens will be placed? My bet is some community service and a hefty fine..... but then again, it would not surprise me if the fines where what they where after to begin with..

Not to derail this thread, but marijuana is NO THREAT except to the drug companies, the oil companies, the chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies, the paper (from forests) companies, the textile companies (cotton), the alcohol manufacturers, and so on, and legalization threatens the prison-industrial complexes who want their supply of human-cattle to be paid for by the government and used as slaves for further profit.

So, no. The money spent catching marijuana growers is completely misspent on the marijuana lie they sell us.

And it would seem they entered shops. That is Gestapo.

Sometimes we buy their lies.

Oh, when it goes down, they have all those FEMA camps... ( www.abovetopsecret.com... ) The ones that I estimate hold at least 20 million. This exercise was to send the false impression that we are safe from being rounded up and kept. Along with accepting this behavior from our police force.

Fines? I doubt it.

reply to post by particalman86

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Heya, particalman86;

Certainly didn't mean any offense to anyone by stating fact. I'm not the
first one to compare our fed with nazi germany, there are many threads
here on ATS about just such comparisons, perhaps they all offend you?

Here's one example:

Bush has been Compared to Hitler

And there's tons of 'em on the web, here's one:

Bush-Hitler Comparison

For me, any use of force upon people is disgusting and offensive, and
should be outlawed and stopped immediately, especially when in direct
violation of our Constitutional rights.

It's this type of totalitarian tactics that escalated to roundups of civilians
under hitler. So my comparing the two is justified.

SS and the Holocaust

Before taking offense at fellow members, i suggest you do it minus the
ignorance!





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reply to post by Amaterasu

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...Every camp on the list has been debunked by ATS'ers.

I know a lot of people who lived martial law in Quebec in the 70s, and the police searching everyone in the streets, entering home of anyone they wanted, ransacking... checkpoints everywhere... it sures looks like today's america.. without the army. But eh, now your police is militarized, so it's the same thing.