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Originally posted by jetxnet
Logic will tell you that you cannot deal with Religious Extremeists and they are bent on a life-long mission to fullfill their supposed destiny bestowed upon them by their holyiness.
Originally posted by jetxnet
Inner reason isn't logic. Inner reason is appealing to your emotions. Emotions lead to speculation and ignorance of the facts.
Originally posted by jetxnet
We can then get him on Oprah to talk about his Gulogs where women get to watch their babies being kicked to death etc.
Originally posted by magicmushroom you say I am uneducated then agree with my points.
You are just another delluded fool who thinks that the US can beat anyone
yet have beaten no one.
Do you jerk of to all this military crap you believe in,
Ignorant halfbreads who have never left the ranch and no nothing of the World or its people.
Your country is turning into a dictatorship
and you cannot even see it. Although you and your ilk will probaly be the ones who will end up murdering your fellow country men when the time comes.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Part 2, the trouble is that you and Jkrog and others are just out and out ignorant rascists end of.
Blind to reality and stupid in the sublime.
the best you can can up with is saying my nob is bigger than yours
yet the fact is you and your country cannot win jack 2g.- and never has and never will.
And you know why, because you are cowards, you lack the moral fortitude to do anything good. You dare not engage anyone in a real fight but seek to pick on the defenceles then strut around stating how great you are. Well your not great, your not even good.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Jkrog you ned a history lesson. you did not win ww1 or ww2 you did not win in Korea, those conflicts were joint efforts. In ww1 you were tail end game charlies, same in ww2 you had to have one of your own states attacked before you plucked up the guts to join the fight. The Russkies had been pushing the Germans back from 1942 years before DDay and it is they who really beat the Germans.
Korea was again a joint effort but no one won that one. After the Vietnamese kicked the French out of indo China you dumb asses thought you could do a better job and got FUBARed. And as for bombing everything in Vietnam you did that and still failed to the point of where it nearly bankrupted your country, and then went running home with your tail between your legs. You even left your own men behind, the true sign of cowards.
Size or might does not equate to victory and you think you could take on the British what a joke, we would wupp your ass big time you cannot even beat so called insurgents never mind professional troops and the best in the World at that.
You keep on dreaming, as posted before lets see what happens when you attack Iran. And as for beating the Russians you never beat them did you, the best you could come up with is forming terrorist groups to take on the soviets and now those same people are kicking your ass arent they.
It must be very upsetting to put so much faith into your armed forces and then see them getting ass wupped all the time. You cannot beat poorly trained or equiped freedom fighters and you actually believe you could take on a proffesional force, dont make me laugh.
Anyway good thread I always like to have a good laugh, by the your not a comedian are you cos you can sure tell em.
The operational goal of Operation Barbarossa was the rapid conquest of the European part of the Soviet Union, west of a line connecting the cities of Arkhangelsk and Astrakhan, often referred to as the A-A line (see the translation of Hitler's directive for details). At its conclusion in December 1941, the Red Army had repelled the strongest blow of the Wehrmacht. Hitler had not achieved the victory he had expected, but the situation of the Soviet Union remained critical. Tactically the Germans had won some resounding victories and occupied some of the most important economic areas of the country, most notably in Ukraine. Despite these successes, the Germans were pushed back from Moscow and were not able to mount an offensive simultaneously along the entire strategic Soviet-German front again.
Following the invasion of Poland, the Soviets began moving troops into the Baltic region. Finnish resistance in late November led to a four-month war, ending with Finnish concessions. France and the United Kingdom, treating the Soviet attack on Finland as tantamount to entering the war on the side of the Germans responded to the Soviet invasion by supporting its expulsion from the League of Nations. Though China had the authority to veto such an action, it was unwilling to alienate itself from either the Western powers or the Soviet Union and instead abstained. The Soviet Union was displeased by this course of action and as a result suspended all military aid to China. By mid-1940, the Soviet Union's occupation of the Baltics was completed with the installation of pro-Soviet governments.
In Western Europe, British troops deployed to the Continent, but neither Germany nor the Allies launched direct attacks on the other. In April, Germany invaded Denmark and Norway to secure shipments of iron-ore from Sweden which the allies would try to disrupt. Denmark immediately capitulated, and despite Allied support Norway was conquered within two months. British discontent over the Norwegian campaign led to the replacement of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain by Winston Churchill on May 10, 1940.
On that same day, Germany invaded France and the Low Countries, making rapid progress using blitzkrieg tactics. By the end of the month the Netherlands and Belgium had been overrun and British troops were forced to evacuate the continent, abandoning their heavy equipment. On June 10th, Italy invaded, declaring war on both France and the United Kingdom; twelve days later France surrendered and was soon divided into German and Italian occupation zones, and an unoccupied rump state under the Vichy Regime. In early July, the British attacked the French fleet in Algeria to prevent their seizure by Germany.
With France neutralized, the Axis was emboldened. Germany began an air superiority campaign over Britain to prepare for an invasion and enjoyed success against an over-extended Royal Navy, using U-boats against British shipping in the Atlantic. Italy began operations in the Mediterranean, initiating a siege of Malta in June, conquering British Somaliland in August, and making an incursion into British-held Egypt in early September. Japan increased its blockade of China in September by seizing several bases in the northern part of the now-isolated French Indochina.
Throughout this period, the neutral United States took measures to assist China and the Western Allies. In November 1939, the American Neutrality Act was amended to allow Cash and carry purchases by the Allies. During 1940, the United States implemented a series of embargos, including oil, iron, steel and mechanical parts, against Japan; in September it agreed to a trade of American destroyers for British bases.
At the end of September the Tripartite Pact between Japan, Italy and Germany formalized the Axis Powers. As a warning to the United States, the pact stipulated that, with the exception of the Soviet Union, any country not currently in the war which attacked any Axis Power would be forced to go to war against all three. The Soviet Union expressed interest in joining the Tripartite Pact, sending a modified draft to Germany in November and offering a very German-favourable economic deal; while Germany remained silent on the former, they accepted the latter. Regardless of the pact, the United States continued to support the United Kingdom and China by introducing the Lend-Lease policy and creating a security zone spanning roughly half of the Atlantic Ocean where the United States Navy protected British convoys.
These actions prompted the United States, United Kingdom, China, and other Western Allies to declare war on Japan. Italy, Germany, and the other members of the Tripartite Pact responded by declaring war on the United States. In January, the United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union and China, along with twenty-two smaller or exiled governments, issued the Declaration by United Nations, affirming the Atlantic Charter and formalizing their alliance against the Axis Powers. The Soviet Union did not adhere fully to the declaration though, as they maintained their neutrality agreement with Japan and exempted themselves from the principle of self-determination.
British soldiers surrendering from the Battle of SingaporeThe Axis Powers, however, were able to continue their offensives. Japan had almost fully conquered Southeast Asia with minimal losses by the end of April, 1942, chasing the Allies out of Burma and taking large numbers of prisoners in the Philippines, Malaya, Dutch East Indies and Singapore. Cont.
In 1942, Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt issued a statement that the western allies would work as quickly as possible to open a second front to relieve pressure on the Soviets. Though united in this goal, disagreements soon arose with the British who favored a thrust north from the Mediterranean, through Italy and into southern Germany. This, they felt, would provide an easier path and would have the benefit of creating a barrier against Soviet influence in the postwar world. Against this, the Americans advocated a cross-Channel assault which would move through Western Europe along the shortest route to Germany. As American strength grew, they made it clear that this was the only plan they would support. Despite this, operations did commence in Sicily and Italy, however the Mediterranean was understood to be a secondary theater of the war.
Though originally scheduled for June 5, the landings in Normandy were postponed one day due to foul weather. On the night of June 5/6, the British 6th Airborne Division was dropped to the east of the landing beaches to secure the flank and destroy several bridges to prevent the Germans from bringing up reinforcements. The US 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions were dropped to the west with the goal of capturing inland towns, opening routes from the beaches, and destroying artillery that could fire on the landings. Flying in from the west, the American airborne's drop went badly, with many of the units scattered and far from their intended drop zones. Rallying, many units were able to achieve their objectives as the divisions pulled themselves back together.
The assault on the beaches began shortly after midnight with Allied bombers pounding German positions across Normandy. This was followed by a heavy naval bombardment. In the early morning hours, waves of troops began hitting the beaches. To the east, the British and Canadians came ashore on Gold, Juno, and Sword Beaches. After overcoming initial resistance, they were able to move inland, though only the Canadians were able to reach their D-Day objectives. On the American beaches to the west, the situation was very different. At Omaha Beach, US troops quickly became pinned down by heavy fire as the pre-invasion bombing had fallen inland and failed to destroy the German fortifications. After suffering 2,400 casualties, the most of any beach on D-Day, small groups of US soldiers were able to break through the defenses opening the way for successive waves. On Utah Beach, US troops suffered only 197 casualties, the lightest of any beach, when they were accidentally landed in the wrong spot. Quickly moving inland, they linked up with elements of the 101st Airborne and began moving towards their objectives.
Breaking Out of the Beaches
After consolidating the beachheads, Allied forces pressed north to take the port of Cherbourg and south towards the city of Caen. As American troops fought their way north, they were hampered by the bocage (hedgerows) that crisscrossed the landscape. Ideal for defensive warfare, the bocage greatly slowed the American advance. Around Caen, British forces were engaged in a battle of attrition with the Germans. This type of grinding battle played into Montgomery's hands as he wished the Germans to commit the bulk of their forces and reserves to Caen, which would allow the Americans to breakthrough lighter resistance to the west.
Beginning on July 25, elements of the US First Army broke through the German lines near St. Lo as part of Operation Cobra. By the 27th US mechanized units were advancing at will against light resistance. The breakthrough was exploited by Lt. General George S. Patton's newly activated Third Army. Sensing that a German collapse was imminent, Montgomery ordered US forces to turn east as British forces pressed south and east attempting to encircle the Germans. On August 21, the trap closed capturing 50,000 Germans near Falaise.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
West Coast again Americans have this idea or their version of history and facts.
The US has not fought alone in the ME, many countries have including my own yet to you and others its oh we do it all, no you dont.
And yes I am biased, I'm biased because I dont agree with a Nation, any Nation murdering for profit and greed. You say on the one hand that your country is great and powerful then why does it see 3rd World Nations as a threat to it or its people.
America is great, its been the greatest mass murderer since ww2, 6 million dead and counting from Korera to the present day. What a magnificent achievement, and how many Americans have died at home because of attacks on the country by Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis' and Afganis or Iranians, none.
But with regard to saying you military is all powerful when it has not been tested against a force on equal terms is rather naive
and if you think the likes of Russia or China are not your match then again you are delluding yourself.
Its all right sitting their dreaming about exotic weaponry and what you think your forces can do but reality is a different matter and one that you seem to be detached from.
Saddams forces were never a real threat to the coalition as its forces had been depleted by the Iran/Iraq war so to say your did well against poorl;y lead and equipped forces is rather silly.
Then we will see just how good your forces really are when they come up against Russian and Chinese technology.
I dont think you will like the outcome one bit.