America is the most powerful nation EVER!!!

reply to post by mattguy404


I wanted to quote and reply to everything you said but realized that it was to much quoting to reply to. I'm sorry, I do have six children and I don't blame any hard times I have on government or anyone else. I had to step out for awhile to do my job. My job is to do good for me and my family no matter how bad it gets in America or anywhere else. I'll take one, two,three jobs and whatever else I can to deliver freedom to my children and grandchildren. I have the choice to bow down to conspiracy theories or rise to know that I can do anything I need to do to survive and raise my kids right. I'll hunt for our food, I'll work and scrub toilets for a paycheck. I'll help any anyone in need that needs help as long as they try their best to help them selfs. Now I want to answer to your freedom ignorants.

Freedom is a choice and a challenge that is America's strongest bond. People and the countries that don't have the freedom that we have here in America hate us for it. Freedom was shown in the Vietnam War that I personally thought we could of won in time, but American citizens spoke and protested it long enough that we pulled the troops out.

Freedom is speech, picket lines, congressional debates, talking to your co-workers and even on this website about how you feel and what you want changed in America. Freedom is an impulse known to man and women alike who want a choice and desire a way of life that they only can teach their children. Freedom will conquer all who try to enslave it with their fascists ways and enslaving desires. We will be free and the government of our country will grant us that choice or we will retaliate with such a force that will echoes across the world and give everyone the choice of Independence.

Originally posted by jkrog08
Manifest destiny..........it is survival of the fittest....I dont agree with somethings we did.....but it was nessicary for the betterment of America and the world.............where would we all be if we let Indians have most of the US-besdies the original 13 colonies?Living in teepees?Running casinos.......,We would be still in the stone age.

First you call the British our Bitchs then you insult the Native Americans.

Nice goin!

reply to post by jkrog08


listen, i'm not going to get into the family connection i got to the world war 2 info, it might make it a little to easy to zero in on private info,

but trust me, you don't know half of what you speak when it comes to nazis migrating to the US,

did i mention Prescot Bush, helped fund the Nazis? should i need too?
you should know that Germany got funding from groups in Britain and america

In fact it was the only way they could have gotten as powerful as they did

but it might not come up in an american history book so i don't know if youd believe the info if you actually came across it

don't pretend to know ANYTHING about WW2

Ha, you brought up paperclip, i learned about that in my preteens

yeah try going just a little deeper if your gonna try at all

reply to post by jkrog08


Jesus, that's horrible


that statement made me vomit in my mouth


you my friend will eat that one someday, there is no way you can be allowed to get away with that

David Duke said somthing to the same extent on Bill Mahr back in the day


and thats just plain evil

reply to post by goukilock


Don't pretend who knows about WW2 Who Won ? Who wanted to win? To many of you think you know it all, but I thank my lucky stars for Top Secret information that should never get released to you who think you're right. All of you who knew about Top Secret information and spat about it like you do should be charged with treason and found guilty for giving your country away. Top Secret has become more secret since the internet days and I hope we stay that way. We have a country to protect not an idiot who knows it all. Or thinks he knows it all.

[edit on 4/19/2008 by Solarskye]

I wish it were true that China was 20-30 years behind the US, but this is not true. The Chinese economy is growing twice as fast as the American economy. It's like a dam forest fire that got of control, and Bill Clinton lit the match.

Chinese raped our country during the 90s of sensitive techs. As if that wasn't enough, the Clinton administration gave them everything they asked for (illegally of course).

Russia couldn't fight it's way out a wet paper bag in terms of conventional warfare. They've reduced their military substantially and are selling the rest to China to keep their economy afloat.

Once China starts moving into Russia for resources due to increased Oil and mineral demand, you'll find Russia befriending the US very quickly.

India is neutralized by Pakistan. You could just well call Pakistan a Chinese state as Pakistan does what China wants them to do.

North Korea is neutralized by a formidable South Korean army that is much better trained and with much more advanced weapondry.

This leaves China to go after Taiwan to displace the US and interests in Asia.

The only other country not neutralized in this whole paradigm is Iran. Iran and China have strong ties and are allies.

Iran is surging in economy due to it's number Oil consumer, and that is China. China is powering Iran economically and the US is powering China ecomically thru Walmart and others.

Great Britain and Australia have limited military capability. This leaves Japan and it's stock of US Destroyers and advanced fighter planes.

Chinese propaganda is hard at work conducting Psychological Warfare in getting native US citizens to doubt their country. Because when it comes to Taiwan, they want the US citizens to put pressure on the President to back out because of stiff losses.

If China gets Taiwan, they then control most of the world's strategic, important shipping lanes, much like Britain did in the 1800s.

reply to post by Solarskye


are you talking about me or you, i'm getting confused

do You have this paperwork you refer to?

and come to think of it, just what are you talking about?

thank god for TOP SECRET?

your no patriot, your a poser

Patriots question there leadership, and if leadership screws up, Patriots kicks them to the curb

that dosn't happen anymore

because people don't even consider what the original patriots did in the first place

and that was Questioning the Authority

Thats the spirit of America, Revolution, not Wars, not how many bad ass guns we got, and certainly not how many countries we occupy

Yeah you don't know much about history, or your ignoring HUGE chunks of it

Which is it

Originally posted by goukilock
reply to post by Solarskye

 

are you talking about me or you, I'm getting confused

do You have this paperwork you refer to?

and come to think of it, just what are you talking about?

thank god for TOP SECRET?

your no patriot, your a poser

Patriots question there leadership, and if leadership screws up, Patriots kicks them to the curb

that doesn't happen anymore

because people don't even consider what the original patriots did in the first place

and that was Questioning the Authority

Thats the spirit of America, Revolution, not Wars, not how many bad ass guns we got, and certainly not how many countries we occupy

Yeah you don't know much about history, or your ignoring HUGE chunks of it

Which is it

It's you're no patriot, not" your no patriot", but that's your mistake. I'm talking about America and it needs no paperwork it has it's history. If it weren't for Top secret military it would be you who would destroy us with ignorants. Sorry to say that but everybody thinks they are right and I'm no exception, but a young America has done what no other country could think of doing in that time. It has spread freedom all around this world and has riled every country to do the same. Those in power will fight to the death to stay a dictator, but we will free the world someday. ( This is my opinion not a fact ). We the people still have the power and control what our government does or we would overcome it. Quit typing your frustrations and do what you think is right. I for one think America is doing the right thing, but along the way we need to protect ourselves from extremists and ones who hate us. We need to make sure that government is in agreement with us not just you extremist who want it your way.

reply to post by Solarskye


wow,you should win a darwin award for that one

if you haven't noticed our leaders are dictators, they cleverly use the word freedom to pretend it still exist, but it's been cut away slice by slice

i haven't herd you mention the drug war by the way

how we doing with that

oh and i'll admit my english is a little askew , it's the coonass in me

so sue me

Amazingly, at the time of me writing this, the thread with the Iranian president claiming that Iran is the most powerful nation has less replies than this thread.

I guess an ATS member claiming that the U.S. military is the most powerful is somehow more controversial than the Iranian president making claims about his country.

I really don't like American policy and I really hate how the U.S. government is treating the Constitution like toilet paper.

But.

The U.S. military is the most powerful in the world.

The Chinese might be up and coming and might be working on nanoweapons that will eat people's brains but they aren't number 1 right now and they don't have nanoweapons so the U.S military still IS the most powerful in the world.

The Russians might have alot of oil and might be modernizing their military but they aren't that modernized yet and the U.S. still is the most powerful military.

Iran might have 70 million would be insurgents ready to fight behind women and children in the name of Allah but the U.S. still is the most powerful military in the world.

I can't believe there is even any doubt who has the most powerful military. Just because the U.S. government is owned by people who could care less about slaughtering in the name of greed doesn't change the fact that the U.S. military is number 1.

edit: dang font

[edit on 19-4-2008 by wutone]

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by jimbo999

 

Pfft, the USofA would've pwnt Rome FTW!!!

As far as "great"

Britain goes... I think we've already proven that one, even though the young USA had just learned to walk and "great"

Britain was the most powerful country in the world at that time.
Hmm, I wonder if there is a lessen to be learned in there?? Anyone else see the irony here?
BTW, the :lol" between Great and Britain was just me havin fun, I love our cousins across the pond

If you take a look at my post a couple of pages back, you'll see I quite clearly debunked the whole "USA won the War of 1812" nonsense and put it into context quite how you managed to win the War of Independence.

Also, Britain wasn't the superpower until the mid 19th century.

And as a final note, the "Great" in Britain has nothing to do with "being Great". I would have thought all you oh-so-learned students of History would know that........

Originally posted by jkrog08
Wars we have WON(In no perticular order)

Shall we go through the list? Seems you ignored my attempt to educate you earlier...

Originally posted by jkrog08
War of 1812

You didn't win. You started it, got pushed back out of Canada, lost control of 40,000 sq Km of territory and had to sign the Treaty of Ghent, after having lost some 15-20,000 men for nothing.

Originally posted by jkrog08
World War One

WHAT? You are joking, right? You weren't even in it until the end!!! US troops made no difference to the front line as they were not deployed until very, very late into the war, by which time Germany was exhausted anyway.

Originally posted by jkrog08
World War Two

The Soviets won WW2. We just mopped up afterwards.

Originally posted by jkrog08
Gulf War One

Forgetting the masses of other countries involved in this one?

Originally posted by jkrog08
Indian-American

Well done. You butchered primitive native people to steal their land. Bravo. Bet it makes you chest swell in pride....

Originally posted by jkrog08
You say the NAZIs "policed"Europe............no you are again WRONG,they took over Europe with full military invasion intentions............they were not "liberating"the people of France and the other European countries they occupied.It was a different type of occupation.

How do you think they maintained control over those lands? Seriously dude, have you taken history at school yet?

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. =/

Compound interest can consume any nation, given enough time.

reply to post by ianr5741


Einstein himself said:

The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest

And Thomas Jefferson said:

I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

[edit on 20/4/08 by stumason]

i think what the OP shuld have said that the US would win a total war. A war fought on the same terms as ww2. A modern war is not fought using these older methods. ie: through a bombing campaign to wipe out an entire city with no care for civilians. Total war is won through airpower, and the airforce of the US is for all intensive purposes unstoppable. No country can match it in shear tech and numbers.

JKRog, I know US education standards are the lowest in the Western World but surely you cannot be that fooled or delluded by your so called history. America at best is a big school yard bully, has a nation of ignorant people who think the World consists of America and some other places thats it.

America has never won any war on its own, very few nations have and I'm not going to repeat the very sensible and logical facts that have been presented by other members. Its obvious to you that being great equals to who you can bomb back to the stone age and therefore you present yourself as an ignorant fool.

You could have discussed many of the good things the US has done and what it has achieved yet you have seeked to use the same tactics as your Goverment, were the best and if anyone else says different you will get thumped. Well I'll tell you what go on and attack Iran and see what happens, just see how long your fragile World will last. Those who control the US dont give a toss for you or any other American and would see you all dead as long as they get profit from it.


The sad thing is that people like you are so out of touch with reality that you cannot see what is really happening to the US and its people. Perhaps when you are sat in one of those many camps you will look back on all this or may be you will be one of those stuffing people into gas chambers. Either way your in for a big shock and its going to come and you and those who think like you wont like it one bit.

The best advice I can give you is go wash your brain and start looking at the bigger picture and plan and prepare for the worse.

reply to post by magicmushroom


You seem to know it all. We really need a depopulation in this world. Like I said in the beginning I'm a born and raised American and I love my country. I wouldn't live anywhere else but in the good old U.S.A. I know there's stuff going on in our leadership and things look bad to some, but I wouldn't give up on a country because of some bad apples. You love whatever country you want to, I'll stick with the BEST.

[edit on 4/20/2008 by Solarskye]

reply to post by stumason

The War of 1812 was fought between the United States of America and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and its colonies, including Upper Canada (Ontario), Lower Canada (Quebec), Nova Scotia, Bermuda and Newfoundland.

The war was fought from 1812 to 1815, although a peace treaty was signed in 1814. By the end of the war, 1,600 British and 2,260 American soldiers had died.[5] Great Britain had been at war with France since 1793 and in order to impede neutral trade with France in response to the Continental Blockade, Britain imposed a series of trade restrictions that the U.S. contested as illegal under international law.[6] The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812 for a combination of reasons including outrage at the impressment (conscription) of American sailors into the British navy, frustration at British restraints on neutral trade, and anger at alleged British military support for American Indians defending their tribal lands from encroaching American settlers.[7]

Hahah.....funny you said we lost how many soldiers?15000?...............I think it is you who should read your history books and stop telling other people about how bad the US education system is or what highschool books to read
Again read up:

The decisive use of naval power came on the Great Lakes and depended on a contest of building ships. In 1813, the Americans won control of Lake Erie and cut off British and native forces to the west from their supplies. The British ultimately held Lake Ontario, preventing any major American invasion. The Americans controlled Lake Champlain, and naval victory there forced a large invading British army to turn back in 1814.

The Americans destroyed the power of the native people of the northwest and southeast, securing a major war goal. The trade restrictions and impressment by the British ended with the defeat of France, removing another cause of the war. Both nations agreed to a peace that left the prewar boundaries intact.

In January 1815 after the Treaty of Ghent was signed but before the US Congress had received a copy to ratify, the Americans succeeded in defending New Orleans, and the British captured Fort Bowyer before news of the treaty reached combatants on the south coast.

The war had the effect of uniting Canadians and also uniting Americans more closely than either population had been. Canadians remember the war as a victory by avoiding conquest, while Americans celebrate victory personified in Andrew Jackson, the hero of New Orleans, who became the 7th President of the United States in 1829

Oh also before you start bragging and flexing your British muscle.....lets look at some more facts...........your Navyships FAR outnumbered ours..................also we had New England not send in any troops aswell as other military problems,but it didnt matter the small outnumbered Americans still managed to pull one out and repel tyrannical Britain.

United States
Regular Army: 7,000 (at start of war) 35,800 (at war's end)
•Rangers: 3,049
•Militia: 458,463*
•US Navy: (at start of war):
•Frigates:6
•Other vessels: 14
•Indigenous people

•British Empire
British Army: 5,200 (at start of war) 48,160 (at war's end) [1]
•Provincial Regulars: 10,000
•Militia: 4,000
•Royal Navy & Royal Marines:
•Ships of the Line: 11
•Frigates: 34
•Other vessels: 52
•Provincial Marine: unknown
•Indigenous people: 3,500
(Also lets take a closer look in to all those Americans "killed"by the British)
Casualties and losses
2,260 KIA
4,405 Wounded
4,535 Killed from Disease
500 Civillans Dead
Total-11,700[2] [3] 1,600 KIA
3,679 Wounded
3,321 Killed by disease or weather
Total-8,600[4]

(WOW-This sounds ALOT like what you claim about the US,Already in one war and going to another and losing,is that why you claim we cant win in Iran,jealousy?)
The British could not celebrate a great victory in Europe fully until there was peace in North America, and more pertinently, taxes could not come down until there was peace in North America. Landowners particularly baulked at continued high taxation; both they and the shipping interest urged the government to secure peace.[47]

(Yea those mighty Brits,we couldnt stop them

The Battle of New Orleans
Unaware of the peace, Jackson's forces moved to New Orleans, Louisiana, in late 1814 to defend against a large-scale British invasion. Jackson defeated the British at the Battle of New Orleans on January 8, with over 2,000 British casualties and fewer than 100 American losses. It was hailed as a great victory, making Andrew Jackson a national hero, eventually propelling him to the presidency.[52][53]

Let me guess this info is all "wrong" right?And I dont know the real "top secret" info.

Next time do some research and you wont get a foot stuck in your mouth.

War of 1812

reply to post by goukilock


Well if you believe that "I got some land I wana sell ya."


Really, I guess you have a "Yankee red "security clearance and are privied to top secret info.I guess you know about the flying saucers too?


Oh and the holocaust didnt happen,right?

Originally posted by jkrog08
This page seems to think that the U.S. will lose a war with Iran.
Iran most powerful nation

Well all I have to say is THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE U.S. WOULD LOSE A WAR WITH IRAN.

Further more some claim we are "tyrannical"-----------NO.We are utilizing our international police power to uphold civility in the world.

Finally....we would DESTROY IRAN in HOURS if we wanted to-----------WITHOUT TACTICAL NUKES.

You lost the Vietnam war, didn't you? and the Vietnamese were nothing more than villagers armed with primitive weapons...