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America is the most powerful nation EVER!!!

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posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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why? every post you pull out is from some government sanctioned source, which is just plain untrustable

do you "google" outside the US? do you really think anyone would buy that crap ?

I'm not going to hold you by the hand and tell you where to go, but i'm not gonna waste space on this post to tell you what a 14 year old can look up on a good couple international news site, even National Public Radio news is a better source than the Los Angeles Times

charts and pics mean nothing if it's from a known tainted source

but it was a valiant effort, too bad no one (especially people from outside the country) even believes you

i mean c'mon your trying to tell them whats happining in there part of the world, and your completely ignoring them and what they are actually living through,

your graphs mean nothing , period

you probebly know this though, i got a feeling there is more than you than it seems, but maybe i'm giving you too much credit

I wanna say your a plant ( yes i said it ) but i really don't know that, you could just be that dense

yeah next time talk to actual people in those places before you start throwing up charts from sources that are untrustable in the first place

TALK TO PEOPLE! don't google everything, you obviously have not devloped the filter to actually sort through all the info on the internet

And China dropping the dollar was in the national news , so even that proves you wrong, like a week before you brought it up!

so you wanna know some sources?

Actual People from other countries! Human beings with experiences,

something skeptics never account for




no one buys it and every chart you put up is digging you a bigger whole and making our country look more untrustable.

go on, pull something out of the new york times next, you haven't done that source yet

jesus, did you ever question your history or civics teacher?

bet not, your were probably a nice quit student with no questions

there is more to the world than this box we sit in front of

maybe you should look out the window and get a clue

you can't google real life




posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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No one is writing America off.

But I have to ask, what the heck is this 'freedom'? That's an idiom used by politicians to make their loyal subjects feel good about themselves. Remember Bush saying "the Iraqi people now have freedom!"? Or "when all is said and done, it's the free nations...".

So, Iraq doesn't have much clean water. Or electricity after dark. Or stocked hospitals - it has Freedom™. So if Ahmed gets his leg blown off, he'll just patch it up with some Freedom™. Sweet. And a prescription of Democracy™ for follow up.

Anywho... Lots of pollies around the world use it I guess. A bit like Australian PM Kevin Rudd's idiom of 'working families'. God that p*sses me off. He needs to drop it.

But back on track, freedom to do what exactly. You still have to pay taxes. Probably pay off a mortgage. Pay for health care (because universal health care is evil socialist thinking, and goes against the free market line of thinking). If you don't do any of those things, you'd soon be dead or destitute. Individualism and free competition? If you don't have a freakin' huge house with trimmed lawn and a huge SUV parked out front, you're nothing.

America is a democracy. But why do contenders in the elections have to raise so much money? It's just a competition, whoever has the most cash wins. I don't know how that'd make the average Joe on Struggle St feel.

You say America is built on immigration, but what's all the brouhaha about Mexican illegal aliens? From what I gather they do a lot of hard labor, some people want to let them stay, some want to kick them out.

America will fight anyone that stands in its way? In its way of what, world domination? Assuming 9/11 wasn't premeditated by the government itself, that is. Of course we saw the damn planes fly into the towers, we've seen it a million times, kids used to think that every time it was shown on TV that it was another set of towers being bought down.

And now you've lost 4, 000 good soldiers, men and women, mostly from poorer backgrounds to do the bidding of an evil tyrant. Not to mention the 1 million Iraqis dead and 4 million displaced.

I used to have a lot of respect for America, but I'm just having trouble trying to fathom any today.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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what he said



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by West Coast


This coming from someone who hardly understands conventional warfare.



The "mighty Nazis" made a technical error by invading Russia during the winter months..


Yes the soviets brought their secret weapon, the russian winter, all the way to Berlin and it won them the war?
Nazis lost the war because they underestimated the soviet people, just like the US believed they could walk in Baghdad and get flowers thrown at them.



The US military force is an offensive force by nature, it is not a police force.


We already knew that USA is just good at destroying things. Nazi Germany managed to hold on to captured europe because they were good at policing. Policing, whether you like it or not, is an important part of warfare, because you can't always get the local police on your side or set up quick enough to take over.


But if a war were to ever take place, the US wouldn't have to step foot on Iranian soil to completely destroy all Iranian economic, and military infrastructure.

Destroying infrastructure doesn't equate to military victory. And more likely their military will set up in civilian area, so what are you going to do? Bomb schools and hospitals? And trust me, Iran isn't Iraq, you aren't going to walk all over their air defense, you couldn't do it in Vietnam remember?


America has some of the worlds best jamming technology, as well as the best fighter, and stealth aircrafts out there, whats your point?

Guess what Iran has jamming systems, radars and aircrafts too! My point again, flying planes and dropping bombs won't win you the war.



Nonsensical speculation.

Maybe I should point you out to this article about how USA has no way to stop those torpedoes?
"The standard US Navy anti-missle defense system is too slow to engage the Sunburn. This system, called the Phalanx, has only about 2.5 seconds to react to the Sunburn. In multiple tests, the Phalanx failed to engage high speed missiles in time to protect a ship.

Speed aside, the other threat the Sunburn poses is it's destructive force. The Sunburn skims the sea and pops up at the last seconds to slam down on the decks of ships. The combined speed and warhead payload would be devastating to all ships in the US arsenal. "
www.freerepublic.com...
I rest my case, armchair general.



It is a serious possibility, however, I doubt either nation (China and Russia) would want to risk everything over Iran.


another quote for you, armchair general:
Russia’s military chief of staff General Yuri Baluyevsky threatened the use of nuclear weapons in case of a major threat. He said that, although they have no plans of attacking anyone, they nevertheless “consider it necessary for everyone around the world community to clearly understand, that to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia and its allies, military forces will be used, including, preventively, the use of nuclear weapons.”
And russia repeatedly warned that it would defend Iran if attacked.



There is a time line to attack the US in conventional terms, that time line is fast closing however. By 2020 (the latest) the US military will be deploying FCS, and space forces, along with a plethora of other advanced weapons systems, that will be to much for any single nation to handle. Furthermore, I believe the nuclear option is fast closing for nations outside of the US. the 2020's will be an interesting decade.


Oh great, now only the US military progresses. The world is sitting on his hands waiting for the USA to share their little toys? And you are again speculating on what the USA might be able to do in 10 years when we don't even know what the economy will look like in one year.


You have been listening to too much of China's propaganda that is making its way into the U.S. media. China is using propaganda to try to control U.S. economic and foreign policies.
Other than that, its just not true, please look at my charts posted on page 6, it clearly shows that the situation is not nearly as dire as you would like to think. Also, Japan is the largest foreign holder of US debt, not China.


Chinese propaganda in US media? Which planet do you live on? Oh yes maybe you mean Chinese propaganda wants you to see tibet protesters? And fyi I don't follow US media other than the campaign trail.
And China holds the second largest reserve of US security and they could sink the dollar any day. Sure they too gain from US economy but when the USA starts waging more wars in the region, their national security will be more important.



I do not agree with the OPs point of view, we are not totally immune, but I do agree that the US is the most economically, and militarily, powerful nation this world has ever bare witnessed to.

The US is the most bankrupt country, USA is grown up kid squatting the world's basement free of charge, but for how long, that's something for you to speculate.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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you know, i've been going off on west coast since yesterday morning

and you might be right about this just being somthing posted to get people fired up

but is that a bad thing, shouldn't we kinda know were people stand?

especially on this site, I mean it's set up for marking your enemies

thats conducive to this kinda activity

and as for West Coast, I still can't trust what hw's saying

Los angeles Times? jeez

he might as well ask bush himself how things are going in this country



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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oh and to the OP

Yes the USA is the most powerful nation at this point.
I do however believe that economically and by extent militarily, it is unsustainable as it relies on a free ride from the rest of the world.
In the next 50 years China will become top player, Russia will be in a very strong position too thanks to its large reserves of energy.

No, the US isn't the most powerful nation ever. The roman empire was the most powerful. The romans took us out of the dark ages and shaped modern civilization.

No, the US cannot win on iranian soil. No country can. Unless they decide to wipe it off the map with nukes.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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Ha! Armchair General, thats awesome!



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by hinky
With the touchy feely crap that America has turned herself in, I seriously doubt we would win a WW2 style war against an opponent like Japan.


Perfect example of biased thinking.

You think left-wing America is to blame for the absence of WW2 style wars?

Evolution and common sense are what have prevented people from allowing leaders to march us out in the millions and massacre us.

I am stunned at the right-wing Americans ability to beg for war as if it is a glorious accomplishment. Death in battle is not glorious, it's a sick and frightening thing, ask any veteran. That's why so many of them come back with no trust in their government or the dumb-$*#@ Americans who sent them in to die.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:47 PM
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We already knew that USA is just good at destroying things. Nazi Germany managed to hold on to captured europe because they were good at policing. Policing, whether you like it or not, is an important part of warfare, because you can't always get the local police on your side or set up quick enough to take over.


The Nazis ruled their spoils of war with an iron fist, they werent respected occupiers, except for maybe in Czechoslovakia, everywhere else
they ruled by fear. Do what we tell you or die. Also the citizenry didnt have
the thousands of abandoned artillery shells to make IED's with.

In our military's defense there have been times where they did a damn good job in occupying a taken land. The Pillipines is one good example but they did an excellent job in Japan


BTW, Oracle your avatar, with the body suit is



[edit on 4/19/2008 by Kr0n0s]



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 07:56 PM
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WOW............according to you the US isnt s*** is it.........Anyone can run over us.........infact if we went to war with Iran they would prolly totally destroy us and then proceed to invade us.....we are NO match for them....how IGNORENT are you,judging from your picture I would expect more from you,but I guess I expect to much.

Yea I guess the US has ABSOLUTLY no defense against Irans torpedos or AA......wow,I guess we won all those other wars by luck uh?

Wars we have WON(In no perticular order)

Revolutionary
Mexican-American
War of 1812
Spanish-American
World War One
World War Two
Gulf War One
Indian-American

Wars that ended in a stalemate(You do realize that Korea,Vietnam were nothing more than satilitte wars b/w Russia and America right?By satilitte I mean the two nations fighting each other without actually fighting eachother)

Korea
Vietnam

And the Cold War-needs seperate category since it actually wasnt a "war".

Of course there is the Gulf War Two still going on,but its safe to say Militarly we won.

Funny you talk about Russia being stronger than the US-or we should fear them......I cant remember who defeated the Soviets again???Oh yea.......AMERICA.

And actually Russia is an American allie in reality........if a conflict broke out,they would side with us....the only(Meaningful) country that isnt a US allie is China.Thus Russia would be "literealy"right on top of them.

You say the NAZIs "policed"Europe............no you are again WRONG,they took over Europe with full military invasion intentions............they were not "liberating"the people of France and the other European countries they occupied.It was a different type of occupation.

reply to post by goukilock:So your that paranoid to think the gov. always lies,wow I bet you have a ranch in Waco too,uh?

Yes propaganda is real but what is going to other countries news source going to do-you disproved your own argument.......the news source from another country is going to be anti american propaganda............What you see on TV is real.....yes there is bias,but its not hard to find the real facts(if your smart enough) and weed through propaganda.

You go to Iran or Iraq....If you come back alive Im sure you will see that they are what we say they are........a unstable nation that threaenns world peace.

EDIT:Spelling,sorry




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[edit on 4/19/2008 by jkrog08]



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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OP, I'd like you to name me ONE, just ONE historical world super power who did NOT turn into an oppressive regime.

Just one. Every major country, empire, whatever, has gotten too full of themselves and started pushing their ideals on others.

Are we some kind of exception?

You're right that we're the most powerful nation in the world, it really goes without saying. We have conflicts going in two countries, as well as a presence still in Korea, Japan, and Germany and plenty of firepower still on our own soil.

We could, theoretically, fight Iran on top of all that. It would mean a lot more hours for me and the people I work with, but we could do it. And if it was conducted properly, without all this moral high ground nonsense where we avoid the unavoidable (civilian casualties) then it would probably even be over pretty fast.

Because if there's a good enough reason to go to war, then there's enough reason to carpet bomb the entire country before we endanger our marines by sending them in on the ground.

Why not, they're the enemy right, they support their government don't they? Glass the whole country and we remain the world super power.

Of course, China and Russia are a bit friendlier with Iran than we are. In fact, Russia is not our ally, they have no reason to consider us such. They're pretty upset by our missile shield even. A war with Iran would give them reason to ally up with China and help Iran, after all, China's a growing oil consumer, they could benefit from helping Iran.

US vs. Them, Britain might help us, but that's all we'd get. And again, if we gotta fight these guys in addition to our current conflicts we have to give up on tactical and go strategic. Carpet bomb all 3 of em, nukes even, who needs the earth.

Stop being ridiculous. Of course we CAN defeat any enemy out there, especially if we adopt MAD. How beneficial would it really be?

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posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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Oracle-Also Yes the US has FAR SUPERIOR technology than any other country and will continue to do so..........where do you think the majority of our debt goes to?DEFENSE

Its basic math---------the US is currently at the most liberal estimate 20-30 years ahead of ANYBODY..........so therefore when China gets to our point NOW.......we will STILL be 20-30 years ahead.No one can match us in defense tech. that is a fact.We might not be the most idustrialized technolicaly advanced,but we are in defense by far.And really we are prolly 50-100 years more advanced than anyone else(even our allies-we only let them know so much)Point is your argument about that is mute.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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I hope so..but my point of this post isnt to claim we will not over expand and "burst" like all the others...all I was saying was RIGHT NOW we are the most ECONOMICALLY and MILITARLY advanced nation-thus most powerful.

Honestly I think the world will be a one world gov. soon......before we will collapse in on ourselves.

Good point though(Sorry for caps..its just people have been twisting my words)



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by hinky
With the touchy feely crap that America has turned herself in, I seriously doubt we would win a WW2 style war against an opponent like Japan.


Perfect example of biased thinking.

You think left-wing America is to blame for the absence of WW2 style wars?

Evolution and common sense are what have prevented people from allowing leaders to march us out in the millions and massacre us.

I am stunned at the right-wing Americans ability to beg for war as if it is a glorious accomplishment. Death in battle is not glorious, it's a sick and frightening thing, ask any veteran. That's why so many of them come back with no trust in their government or the dumb-$*#@ Americans who sent them in to die.


I agree...war is not fun or glamourous,I wish there were no wars...nor am I stating I want one.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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I edited my post to include some more thoughts.

See above.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Russia might be unhappy with our missle shield.......but they are our ally..........as unstable as the relationship is,Bush and Putin have a fairly good relationship...........and the next Prez. of Russia is already in talks with DC.It is a uneasy alliance so to say.


AGAIN-I never said we should nuke anyone,I pray that never happens.

But,again we could take out Irans ability to wage war easily with tactical (non-nuclear)air strikes.Would it be harder than Iraq-yea.......but would it be extremly difficult and force us to use nukes.................no,not a chance.

It doesnt matter we are not going to go to war with Iran anyways.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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What? did your use a High School History book for those wars and how they were won?

I Can't even believe you brought up the indian american war

what a joke, and as for the first gulf war, we won that because we knew how they were armed, cause we armed them!

We won ww2 then adopted a bunch of the enemy, ARDENT NAZIS, were allowed to join America....FACT, i'm sure we had good intentions at first, but we allowed these people to help mold american science and even international policy....FACT!

so did they really lose? they got to continue all the same research, just under our banner

i guess you just don't care about what really happened in history, I guess just taking the word of the so called victors is good enough

they have such a good track record of telling the truth right?



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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Your refering to project paperclip I think.So just because the scientist(who were brilliant)were NAZIs we shouldnt have used them to further our space and rocket program..........thats the only thing we used them for-physics..........not the hidious medical experiments.



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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Oh and how about you mention why we were in the Indian American War war


yeah ...real noble



posted on Apr, 19 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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Manifest destiny..........it is survival of the fittest....I dont agree with somethings we did.....but it was nessicary for the betterment of America and the world.............where would we all be if we let Indians have most of the US-besdies the original 13 colonies?Living in teepees?Running casinos.......,We would be still in the stone age.



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