Originally posted by Promecus
reply to post by Amaterasu
What makes you an expert?
Heh. A lot of study...? Geez. As much of an expert as anyone who is not in the top echelon, I suppose.
1) I have actually studied Greek and Roman mythology. Not extensively, but I've enjoyed reading Homer's stories and the purpose behind their worship of such said gods. I would like to point out that if the entire surface of the planet was truly turned to dust and the planet was re-created. Why in the hell would they educate the 'beast' about a rebel leader and make that rebel leader a god like figure? Wouldn't that some-what defeat the purpose of control? Especially when Zu Zu came so close. Such a story would inspire hope of freedom and self control. It would defeat the purpose entirely.
And I have read a LOT of "mythology" (Greek, Roman, Celtic, Shinto, Hindu, Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Native American...). I have been fascinated by it since childhood. I have read many a point of view on the "purpose behind their worship of such said gods..." I have seen many things that add up when one takes these Papers as truth.
As for WHY a monotheistic system was developed...regardless of the initial nature of said figure, if you read the Papers in detail, it was clear that the dogma was the important element. (ZU-ZU was defeated by MARDUK. Can't use HIM as the God.) The idea that life is for service to "God" with reward after death works wonders keeping the "beast" in his place, doing what they want him to. By what you have said here...I suspect you didn't read thoroughly. [shrug]
2) Could be broadcasted? Didn't it state in the Terra Papers that they were currently using such said devices to control us? "Could be use" and "are being used" are two very different thing....my queen. (Yes, the 'my queen' part is sarcasm) As far as I know, the only type of energy that can affect the human brain is an alpha wave. And I can promise you that your laptop does not broadcast alpha waves. Plus, the frequency of the alpha wave is going to be different for each person...no two will be totally identical.
No... They did not say that it was necessarily being used. It said that they had to deceive us into having devices that COULD be used for control. The wireless element in laptops is the element that could be used. And I do believe that a transmitted alpha wave that fluctuates enough to cover the bulk of the human range (the few outside that range would be inconsequential. Again, I don't think you read very closely at all...
And as for my title, by all means, knock yourself out with sarcasm. [smile]
3) I would also like to know why you'd say that the humanoid form is best suited for intelligence. I'm not saying it is, and I'm not saying it isn't. But that statement, to me, seems rather arrogant. It is a proven fact that life adapts to the environment for survival purposes. Intelligence does factor into the equation however such a tool is not a necessity.
I am guessing that the symmetrical composition of creatures of higher order (above single-cell and mollusks, say) is most likely given the building blocks of life. Not guaranteed, granted, but highly likely. And I guess that the needs of life would promote four limbs, a tail, often (for balance), and the same general senses would be useful - sight for seeing one's prey, smell for smelling the prey and so on. The most useful development would free up the forelimbs for tools in an intelligent species, which would put the body upright, and soon... You have a humanoid.
It's just a supposition based on the common needs that would dictate development. Mere logic, for whatever logic is worth. Your view may differ.
4) If the lizards were really going to control 6,605,000,000+ intelligent beings on this planet it would seem more evident that their presence here would be a little more renown. In itself, this argument is self defeating. How could they even account for everything that we use, just as a starter, like CCT security? Wouldn't they leave some type of footprint? How about that nosy neighbor that peeks out at the street from behind a curtain? There is just too much here to make any of it believable.
I don't think you understand that our number are worrying them for that very reason, and that's why the FEMA prison camps (to imprison us), the Codex Alimentarius (to starve us), the Monsanto seed grab (to control our food supply and thereby making starvation easier to achieve), the Monsanto genmod food (that poison and starve us), and things like the "Patriot" Act (that robs us of freedoms) and the "practice runs" on establishing Martial Law which give them more control.
They are gearing up to decimate us. And no... They want to remain hidden. It's far easier to control the media (and they do), pass draconian laws, and create problem-reaction-solution that gives them the control they want.
National ID, V-Chips, Social Security numbers, licenses for driving and fishing and marriage and building and on and on. All of them are control of information and the ability to keep an eye on us.
Drugs deemed "illegal," giving them the justification for spying on us (and now "terrorism" - which they manufactured), as well as seizing property on an accusation only...
Are you so blind you can't see that all of this is NOT of human heart, that it is counter to the principles we held dear in the USA? Ah well.
5) I'll only state that you cannot answer this con because it is a valid point which negates much of this entire topic.
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1) Power and control? Such things are very human. A truly enlightened species would never desire such things for anything but conquest. And conquest may not be necessary to an evolved species. If a species is enlightened then it would realize that an equilibrium MUST be formed to ensure the survival of not just their species but all life. Surely the SSS would realize this. Power and control does not factor into such a notion. And I'd also like to point out that, as you state it ... "to wipe us out" isn't the way of the SSS. The papers CLEARLY stated that.
Are they truly human? Or have we been taught that the actions of those who are less human that took power and conquest as their goal are "part of being human?" I don't know anyone personally, down here on the human level that want much more than to be assured that they and theirs are fed well, clothed well, housed well and loved.
I will not say there are not aberrations within our species, but as a rule, humans are loving and giving. Where is that in a system that is supposed to be ruled by the will of the people when a plant that has the widest applications both medicinally and as fuel and textiles is supported for these purposes by 70+% is kept from us?
Also, how do you know that is what their intentions are? Assuming what you are saying is true then wouldn't YOUR mind be under their control and influence?
If they target me, I am screwed. But they have to target me.
2) Unless you didn't truly understand my point of view about the Terra Papers I'll spell it out for you. I called it 'entertaining' not 'educational'.
Sorry you failed the course.
3) I do not need to brush it aside or examine it. I can clearly see that, from a logical point of view, most of it is fiction. I tell you what, let's make a deal. You come up with PHYSICAL evidence that the Terra Papers could be written into the history books and I'll bow to you on the thrown.
Heh. IF you're human, you may share the throne with me. I have no desire to be the only one sitting here.
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[edit on 6/21/2008 by Amaterasu]
