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Originally posted by tyranny22
If we're speaking in terms of a tactical air war, then we would get bogged down in another quagmire. Though, we'd be setting no troops on the ground, Iran has one of the more formidable Air Forces and Defense Systems for a nation of it's size. And don't forget where Iran gets it's technology? You think Russia and China have any interest in Iran? I think so. They'll be feeding Iran what they need, just as we did in Afghanistan when the Taliban fought AND defeated mighty mother Russia.
Originally posted by jkrog08
OK,well I guess some people put me on ignore cause they are to childish to respond.Ok..................Here we go AGAIN.
One ...."Irans formitable air force?"Are you kidding me..........ONE f-22 could and WOULD destroy 10 of their jets BEFORE they knew it was there...........you all just are not looking at the facts.
I dont know what else to say.Oh I almost forgot-"Humble"the US............do something then!You all should be "humble"that we dont want to invade your country ........cause we could EASILY.Stop making the GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA out to be some dark empire with "Darth Vader"at its helm.
This is all really in your minds.......the US will never lose a war in which it matters............NEVER,unless Nukes are used-than everyone will lose.
Originally posted by jkrog08
Why dont YOU deny ignorence(once again the word is being used like "holy"text,and overused)
If you comprehended what I said then you would know that I am not saying the US won WWII,BUT WITHOUT us Europe would be speaking Russian or German.
Originally posted by jkrog08
Are you serious?We let Russia take Moscow........if not for us Britain would have fallen,than Germany would have easily defeated Russia.Not only did we win in that theater..but also in the Pacific (BY OURSELVES)
You talk about all the Russians great technology..................
HOLD UP-Are you aware that Germany was close to making a Atomic weapon,that could be delivered via v-2's
or long range bombers(in production)not to mention the fighter jets they were working on that would blow away even the US at the time.
It is because of US bombings that the Germans never got the chance to bring any of these WAR WINNING technologies to reality,if the US didnt bomb them,they would have completed them and won the war-no doubt-ask any historian,better yet Ill ask my History Professor for you.
Originally posted by Rapacity
Are U President Mahmmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, by any chance? Because you certainly seem to be spouting off the same type of manure. I am sorry but I had to ask the question. A little common sense for you - a lock is only as good as it is a deterrent and functionally depends almost entirely upon the integrity and strength of the structure onto which it is attached i.e If the door is crap or a window is open the lock is useless. How does this statement apply here? Well, an F-22 is only as good as its pilot, if the pilot is crap the F-22 is useless. Need I talk about "friendly fire" from USAF???
Now here is an even trickier concept for you to grasp: the Iranian people (Persians) are very clever. They are akin to the Germanic people's of Europe - very resourceful, inventive, aggressive and determined. Iran (before the Islamic Revolution) was a democratic nation where alcohol was allowed and the women wore mini-skirts, get the picture? Iran's recent history is but a small blemish on a very long history. If you seriously believe that the USA could invade and subdue the Iranian spirit without consequence then you must be either very young, very naive or you're just being sarcastic. Do some research. Try a reverse translation Google search (change an English term to Farsi then search in Farsi then paste the URL of a Farsi page into Google.com and click "Translate this page into English"); perhaps you will learn something about the Iranian mindset and society.
Very few people would doubt that the USA could invade Iran and win the initial military battle. Likewise, very few people believe that the USA would not lose the long term battle to capture the hearts and minds of the Iranian people. An invasion is not like a territorial dispute: invasion is long term and expensive politically and economically as well as costly in time and life. Jkrog08, if you're really so sure of your abilities then you should put your self on the line and join-up for one of the current battles. Once there, you will soon change your mind (I here that in Afghanistan, they skin people alive (by peeling back from incisions made behind the ears) for fun and interrogate captives by slicing, bit-by-bit, fingers and toes from tip to base (that's right, they don't cut off each finger in one go, they chop as one would a cucumber). When you're there, learn to hum your favorite nursery rhyme because it will save your sanity while you're being butchered.
[edit on 18/4/08 by Rapacity]
The Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor is an American fighter aircraft that uses stealth technology. It is primarily an air superiority fighter, but has multiple capabilities that include ground attack, electronic warfare, and signals intelligence roles. The United States Air Force considers the F-22 a critical component of the U.S. strike force.
Faced with a protracted development period, the aircraft was variously designated F-22 and F/A-22 during the three years before formally entering US Air Force service in December 2005, as the F-22A. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics is the prime contractor and is responsible for the majority of the airframe, weapon systems and final assembly of the F-22. Program partner Boeing Integrated Defense Systems provides the wings, aft fuselage, avionics integration, and all of the pilot and maintenance training systems.
The F-22 is claimed by several sources to be the world’s most effective air superiority fighter. The US Air Force claims that the F-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft. Chief of the Australian Defence Force, then-Air Marshal Angus Houston, said in 2004 that the "F-22 will be the most outstanding fighter plane ever built."
Stealth drones, GPS-guided smart munitions that hit precisely where aimed; anti-tank bombs that guide themselves; space-relayed data links that allow individual squad leaders to know exactly where American and opposition forces are during battle - the US military rolled out all this advanced technology, and more, in its conquest of Iraq.
The American military is the strongest the world has known, both in absolute terms and relative to other nations; stronger than the Wehrmacht in 1940, stronger than the legions at the height of Roman power. The extent of American military superiority has become almost impossible to overstate. The US sent five of its nine supercarrier battle groups to the region for the Iraq assault. A 10th Nimitz-class supercarrier is under construction. No other nation possesses so much as one supercarrier, let alone nine battle groups ringed by cruisers and guarded by nuclear submarines.
Russia has one modern aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, but it has about half the tonnage of an American supercarrier. The former Soviet navy did preliminary work on a supercarrier, but abandoned the project in 1992. Britain and France have a few small aircraft carriers. China decided against building one last year.
Any attempt to build a fleet that threatens the Pentagon's would be pointless, after all, because if another nation fielded a threatening vessel, American attack submarines would simply sink it in the first five minutes of any conflict. (The new Seawolf-class nuclear-powered submarine is essentially the futuristic supersub of The Hunt for Red October made real.) Knowing this, all other nations have conceded the seas to the US.
For years to come, no other nation is likely to rival American might. Which means the global arms race is over, with the US the undisputed heavyweight champion.
Gregg Easterbrook notes the overwhelming superiority of US military hardware, while Christian Lowe notes the overwhelming superiority of US military command and control.
One consequence of this overwhelming US superiority in conventional warfare is that other countries seem to have stopped competing:
The runaway advantage has been called by some excessive, yet it yields a positive benefit. Annual global military spending, stated in current dollars, peaked in 1985, at $1.3 trillion, and has been declining since, to $840 billion in 2002. That’s a drop of almost half a trillion dollars in the amount the world spent each year on arms. Other nations accept that the arms race is over.
For a link just Google "US military superiority"