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posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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303,000,000 last count. And we are so young. Growing pains...you have no idea how painful they can be at times, but none the less growing.




posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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So, Live and let Live worked on the northern ireland issue..
Coooool..


It's never easy being the middle kid.. allways struggeling to be equal and diplomatic.
But I've gotten the feeling that the UK somehow have straightened up and cooled down overall lately? ..meaning.. We haven't had any big topics about you guys in a couple of years..



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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Well apart from us being in iraq and afghanistan.

Yes, it's true - we are much better behaved these days.

But that's because the french have stopped getting on our nerves.

And the germans have shut up as well.

At least as far as we're concerned

but we have enough to deal with being friends with the US.

There's no need to go out of our way to make enemies.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex



My thoughts about the USpolitics over all is mainly; Withdraw the soldiers and make sure the US Works before putting money to issues in other countries


A lot of people here agree.

Why do we have troops in 160 countries around the world, and no air defense worth mentioning here in the US on 9/11?

Because our military is no longer in the business of protecting the US. It's in the business of building and maintaining an Empire.

This is something we need to change, and a lot of people are waking up to that fact.


Boy...you really hit the nail straight on with this post! Many congrats!

They are trying to force "freedom" on others while at the same time trying to polarise the worlds population into their brand of freedom which reeks manipulation beyond belief. In other words unless your a bible belt, ultra-conservative and/or ultra-capitalist then your automatically their enemy and most likely a radical socialist. "Your either with us or against us". There is no middle ground?

All in the name of "freedom" while they monopolise the middle east oil reserves and encourage big bussiness contracts to rebuild a "free" Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact, they don't even seem to care about stopping the dollar plunge because it increases exports! These tactics only help big bussiness...not the people and certainly not the average american. Off course you won't hear them talk about it because its 'not in their best interest'. They much rather focus on making the liberals look like criminals or lazy communists. Sounds like 'divide and conquer' tactics to me, but what do I know.

If this is freedom than I prefer dictatorship where at least the government doesn't spend so much time, effort and propaganda money in pretending to be free...they just get on with business.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by budski
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So you don't actually mind torture, executions, or religious zeolotry?

You're not from saudi by any chance are you?



Torture is illegal in the US. Gitmo is NOT in the US. Its a loophole that exists. Moreover you have ZERO proof to show that there was every torture in Gitmo.

Executions are only done on criminals who have comitted grave acts of violence. You know this as well but you want to spew some nonsense for the sake of it.

Religious zelotry is a freedom . I can be a zealot if I want to , that is my liberty as long as I dont persecute other people's rights. You can be a flaming homosexual if you want to. I can hate you for that and curse you. Those are all liberties.

That is what a free society is all about. You have no idea what Saudi arabia is so dont even try talking about it. I've been there. USA is the most free and most wonderful place on the planet. Your discontent is a product of being spoilt. A few years in a foreign land will cure you of that easily.


I starred your post in as much as I think you got guts and much of what you say is true. I disagree with my esteemed friend Dimensional Detective as I rarely find budski's threads anything other then a pot to stir more fecal facts and folly. I see lately he has tried a new tact using more of a mixed bag so it's a pick your poison sort of thing. One thing he does well however is when it comes to choosing a title for his threads, no one gets more attention to draw people in then Budski. The problem is, they are usually just that, or another budski thread anti climatic as they dwindle away with a lot of talk about nothing.


We have become a country where political correctness has such a grip on our people that if Homosexuals want to wear that on their sleave fine do it but don't expect me to care as it is none of my business, and if you get in my face with it you will get five knuckles back in yours. There is nothing more ridiculous than a militant gay in a parade wearing diapers getting in my face yelling at me for laughing at the display I saw calling me a bigot.

I am a Christian, I love the lord if you think it's silly, or I believe in an imaginary friend, fine so be it that is your right but if you get in my face at ASU telling me I'm stupid because you are a militant atheist then you are a punch in the face waiting to happen.

If you get tazed by cops who tell you not to move, and you keep moving then you get what you deserved, don't tell me about the brutality.

If you are a cop, and you abuse your powers of arrest and think that badge is a licence to be rude and stop me while walking through the park asking for my ID, just because YOU think I look suspicious, it isn't against the law to look that way.

If you tell me it is against the law not to carry my ID, I am not saying I don't have an ID, I am saying YOU can't see it.

That is my right and you may make a false arrest. After you impede my freedom of movement with handcuffs incarcerating me and find I DO have an ID as you pat me down, know that I will sue you for the false arrest, count on it.

If you don't like this president who says Atheists are not citizens while saying he is creating legislation for faith based initiatives, don't go associating his asinine ways to Christianity. He is loyal to no one and hasn't given them a damn dime and calls us religious retards behind our backs. I am not sure what to call him but Mr President is one thing I will never call him.

If your name is Pastor John Hagee from texas don't come to AZ asking for money from us Christians as you are most likely to get paid in an alley in the dark. That's not a threat Mr Hagee, it's just real good advice.

If you are the President, and you say this country doesn't torture then by God, we had better not. I know what water boarding is and when I served our country it was called torture and you sir,, are a liar and a charlatan. In as much as you deserve a punch in the face, I can't do that and can't take back my vote.

I will suffice choices and options left to make sure you get brought up on charges whether you lied 1000 times or just once,

I know once can be proven and that was one too many.

If you are a Christian, and you come knocking at my door, expect to be told politely to please leave while I shut the door abruptly. If you knock again, expect me to answer the door wearing a side arm when you are instructed, not asked, to leave, now.

If you knock once again I will let you in ( or pull you in) while we chat till the police arrive and have your butt removed. (don't think the cam at my front door is just to see who is there, it records too)

There are many things I like about America and as much as I agree to your post about living in another country, I know having been around the planet twice, but I have to say, this country is not the best anymore but I believe if we had our priorities straight and got back to constitutionalizing the way we run our Government, re-moralized the way we run our own lives, we could be again.

If we would turn off the Television and keep it off just don't watch a thing. Just STOP watching the damn TV. It isn't like there is anything good to watch and the news is,,, well you know what that is.

Then when everyone is asking what is up with that when people show outrage again not lulled into accepting perversions of Science and Politics slowly but surely by the methodical dumbing down of our people, we will be shocked again, and they will be surprised.

We have a two party system last election called skull and bones which ever candidate you picked Democrat or rep, the skull and bones couldn't care less. Which ever one you picked, they won.

It's time, we see little secret groups like this as more than just college pranks especially when college is over now. Itt is time to act like a man and when men still show signs of allegiance to said secret societies then it is time, we take this serious and tell all of them the ONLY society we want ANY loyaly too, is The United States of America.

Not a Government FROM the people,

doing TO the people,

but OF the people

FOR the people

- Con














[edit on 18-4-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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The cultural conflicts linger in some places like Boston and New york, but less and less is seen. We tend not to let the cultural issues direct us, if we did you would see the same kind of violence that the east coast saw during the turn of the 20th century. Our problems have to do with religion and greed. Literally the have and have nots these days. The Mexican issue is not because they are mexican it is because the illegals drive down wages leaving more to do without. The states have their own constitutions but those constitutions can not stray from the federal laws. States are divided because of belief systems. Rural areas tend to be very conservative and religious.. larger metropolitan areas are more liberal.

My greatgrandparents worked their fingers to the bone to be able to afford their own land to farm. My grandmother was born under a tree in Iowa as her family continued to build the house she would live in. Most Americans resent the handouts that immigrants are recieving..we are not that far removed from the work and blood shed that it took to hack out a living in this country.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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I know what you mean, and I am guilty as charged - with some exceptions which I'll get to in my own time...

My interest is in getting as many points of view as possible, and for that you need to be prepared to look at some of the baser publications, and appear to support certain arguments - then wait for the best posts and arguments, and learn from them.

It's not a strategy that is difficult to spot or define.

But most of what I post is with the intent of having some fun and a good conversation, and trying to encourage conversation with others.

That's what I like - and the truth is, every thread dwindles away...


[edit on 18/4/2008 by budski]

[edit on 18/4/2008 by budski]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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In fairness, I think that occurs in every country which has immigration.

Australia sits in an Ivory Tower, letting in only the best people - New Zealand is the same.

Those are 2 exception to the rule.

The UK is certainly a mish-mash.

It's very easy to sit and type and say things about how we could make it better.

The truth is, working within the same system, there's no way we could make it better.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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I was not typing in order to sell or suggest a solution. I am simply expressing what I see within my own country. However I do see a solution to the problems within the U.S.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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The cultural conflicts linger in some places like Boston and New york, but less and less is seen. We tend not to let the cultural issues direct us, if we did you would see the same kind of violence that the east coast saw during the turn of the 20th century. Our problems have to do with religion and greed. Literally the have and have nots these days. The Mexican issue is not because they are mexican it is because the illegals drive down wages leaving more to do without. The states have their own constitutions but those constitutions can not stray from the federal laws. States are divided because of belief systems. Rural areas tend to be very conservative and religious.. larger metropolitan areas are more liberal.

My greatgrandparents worked their fingers to the bone to be able to afford their own land to farm. My grandmother was born under a tree in Iowa as her family continued to build the house she would live in. Most Americans resent the handouts that immigrants are recieving..we are not that far removed from the work and blood shed that it took to hack out a living in this country.


That's in the way we've been thinking..

For the countries thats older the bloodshed, pain and (some of) the hard work is so far behind us that we have trouble understanding and relating to some of the problems other countries have, hence we judge them as "barbaric" and "blindfolded". When we're realy the ones with the blindfold, and a dusty one for that matter..

As time goes by, just as you pointed out, the culturalclashes eases out, and so will the religion and the greed sooner or later. Even tho I think it's many years into the future. In most countries education have a lot to do with religion, escpecially since most goverments are the ones making the schoolbooks, deciding what the kids will learn and not. So unless the child/teenager decide to look for information from an outer source it get's deeply colored by what they get tought from home and from school.

One way of making a differance for the future is to think critical and to teach ones children to question and find the answers. As society might form us, we can also form the society, even tho it's a struggel within four walls it Can make a difference. The more openminded and critical a parent is, the more of a freethinker the child will become - that way "we" can shape the future and Hopefully push it in the right direction.

((Editreason; I spell like a cow on acid tonight))

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posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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If you see a solution, then share it with us please.

All thoughts are welcome



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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Torture is illegal in the US. Gitmo is NOT in the US. Its a loophole that exists. Moreover you have ZERO proof to show that there was every torture in Gitmo.

There will be a video of our own Secretary of State, not only explaining the torture techniques, but assigning torture assignments, lovely!

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posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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In UK we are still resolving our cultural issues, and we are still caught in the PC trap
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This thread covers whats wrong with UK education system, and with constantly interefering governmet.

But it is getting better.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Oh, we've had our issues too, and still do. The biggest clash we've had is historical/reiligous.. The old Asabelifes where hardly named at all, and the religion classes where very twisted to only the christian way of beliving and thinking (well suited into the nice little box so to speak) To get rid of that problem the rule came up that no school run by the goverment were allowed to twist it's education due to religion Nor was it allowed for anyone, student or teacher to let religion color anything in school.

Today the clash is that since we've tried to get rid of religious acts in school.. it crashes with immigrants such as muslim women not allowed to hide their hair, it's changing.. but the changes are not welcome from all sides.. btu we're working on it too.. Heck, Sweden is as far from the perfect country as can be too
we all ahve our issues. (i'll jump into that thread later on.. I'm having a little problem jumping from topic to topic as I try to manage writing in two diff languages at the same time)



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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I am a parent and did just that. They are open minded world citizens. We have a shabby education system over here and if it were not for parents educating their children themselves not much would be taught. Home education is a big deal with a lot of Americans. But america is dealing with an increased population of uneducated migrant workers and illegals, don't get me wrong I think they too should be educated by us, their own country has not bothered but we are so stretch thin with the resources that are there for all. We have from 22,000,000 to 30,000,000 illegals in this country and still more immigrants coming. We grow too quickly. Isn't it strange how compassionate and warlike we can be? I guess the world should feel glad that the compassion lives in our population.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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As I said before, there's so many goodhearted folks overthere that I get a bit surprised still


Illegal immigrants Is a problem due to it being so dang hard to involve them into the country for real.

I realy do belive that education Is the key to most problems the world over and I have to say that it is good to hear what you say coming from "the inside" of things as the views of US that I have are either redneck countryfolks and horses or newspapers
You're giving your country a lot more color on my picture of it



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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Well it is not one thing that will solve but I know that if we tax the corpaorations, put a lid on corporate influence... pull back the war machine and turn it from an offensive stance to a deffensive one.. stop with the flow of illegal immigrants, make them at least abide the immigration laws.. make damn sure we never elect a freemason or a cowboy again.. close out the world and mind our own business... lick our wounds then get back at being the country we were meant to be, of course following that constitution to the letter..we should then be O.K and we earn back some respect in the world.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:21 PM
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In other words,

by our failure to properly look after the future of our children.

We all squabble (generic you and we) and try to obtain things that we don't really need.

Aspiring to have bigger and better is a symptom of our society - and like it or not, we are fast becoming a global village.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:22 PM
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Very wisely wrote!
If more people think like you do things will for sure start going better.. Sooner rather than later.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:33 PM
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When I traveled abroad I was surprised that the impression of us was that of cowboys, rednecks and christian soilders. We do have all of that but we are a colorful bunch. I think that Americans appreciate the diversity, after all we get to live on a beautiful continent that is traveled freely and are able to enjoy the diversity. I love the sense of humor, archtecture and the food I can find in the southern states but I would not want to live there. We Americans can have deep differences but we know not to air them, we take it up in our politics and courts, pretty much they way Europe does it, we are by heritage mostly european.

If you can do a search for images for lets say Seattle, St. Louis, Boston, Dallas then the more rural areas of the midwest and west you will see just a fraction of what all americans get to see anytime they wish. We get along because it's beautiful over here.



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